I agree with you. Occam’s Razor says there is a deep state conspiracy and the sniper shooting at Trump missed, he moved, substantially in addition there ~12mph variable/ buffeting (witness the flag) 90 degree crosswinds. Remember the movement Trump made after the bullet loosed was quick and nobody no matter how good can predict true windage all along the bullet’s path. Equal in amazing luck were the two follow up shots missing as well. Presumably follow up shot would have been to made to the same sight picture and probably all missed to the left from the crosswind and Trump moving to his left in the opposite direction. Just my own musings.
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This came out just a couple of hours ago. Lady (a Trump volunteer) who was interviewed on the day of the shooting. While she was watching Trump speak (she was near the front of the stage), she indicated that a guy next to her just saw a sniper take out a guy on the water tower. She then later on talks to a guy who had been handing out waters on a golf cart show pictures of two shooters who had just been taken out by snipers.
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From #461 on this thread
This would explain the ‘long white pants’ on the grassy side (this where all the original marked diagrams had the guy on the roof - outside the sniper window - prior to anyone knowing/admitting there was a sniper in that window (an original cover up).
The deceased on the paved lot side of the bldg had ‘white shorts/cargo pants on’.
I also wanted to comment on a newer video that shows the paramedic woman (Michelle married to Greg-sniper in the window the say) running with the back pack. She’s standing at the back on the roof with items at her feet (we were lead to believe originally in the body cam video that the back pack was the dead guys). Michelle tells Suit guy ‘Greg’ is in that window over there. It just hit me that Greg (the bald tattooed guy/sniper) was captured on a previous video standing on the ground corner of the bldg on the paved side with others just after the shooting. Huh? How could he be in 2 places at once?
You can see the “second person” in the Copenhaver video.
i think its the leaves from the trees behind.
HERES WHO FIRES THE FIRST SHOTS
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At 59:12 Cullen shows you a photograph of the likely shooter from the AGR Bldg
Multiple Shooters? John Cullen & Clay Martin
Is the search term on Rumble
Here is the post I made earlier in regard to video evidence I have seen in regard to the Trump Assassination attempt. Perhaps you have already seen it, but in any event, here it is:
Dear Chris
I have been following your interviews with Brannon Howse.
Just days after the Donald Trump assassination attempt, I saw this bizarre footage on the YouTube Channel of Pastor Tom Hughes. I have included the time stamp in the URL from 1 minute and 59 seconds.
The behavior of the young lady just behind President Trump when compared to the understandable reactions of the rest of the crowd is very very strange to say the least.
To which, this may be useful to your investigation.
All the best and God Bless
Vince Barwinski
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@kdub8990
Your video is uncomfortable to watch considering what we already know or think we know, so let me post something that I just posted in the other thread…
And Before people start to fly off the handle about this video, please consider the following.
…For those who seem to be getting irritated or taking it personal when someone questions an agreed upon belief, please drop the attitude and consider the following
Psychological Phenomena
The tendency to automatically assume new information is wrong (especially when it conflicts with existing beliefs or knowledge) can be attributed to various psychological phenomena. Here are some factors that may contribute to this reaction:
Confirmation Bias: People often tend to seek out and interpret information in a way that confirms their existing beliefs or worldview. When presented with new information that contradicts their beliefs, individuals may instinctively reject it to maintain consistency with their preconceived notions.
Cognitive Dissonance: Cognitive dissonance occurs when individuals experience discomfort or tension due to contradictory beliefs or attitudes. When confronted with new information that challenges their existing beliefs, people may experience cognitive dissonance and instinctively reject the new information to reduce psychological discomfort.
Belief Persistence: Even when presented with evidence that contradicts their beliefs, individuals may continue to hold onto their initial beliefs due to belief persistence. This phenomenon occurs when people cling to their existing beliefs despite being presented with contradictory evidence, often because their beliefs are deeply ingrained or emotionally charged.
Overconfidence Bias: Some individuals may exhibit overconfidence bias, believing that their knowledge or beliefs are superior to new information presented to them. This bias can lead people to dismiss new information as incorrect or misguided without fully considering its validity.
Trust in Familiar Sources: People often place greater trust in sources of information that are familiar to them or align with their existing beliefs. When presented with new information from unfamiliar or disagreeable sources, individuals may be more inclined to reject it without critically evaluating its credibility or accuracy.
Fear of Change: Change can be unsettling for many individuals, particularly when challenging deeply held beliefs or assumptions. The fear of change can lead people to reject new information that threatens their existing worldview, as it may require them to reconsider their beliefs and potentially disrupt their sense of identity or security.
Overall, challenging our beliefs and staying open to an idea is very important. Sometimes, we tend to automatically assume that new information is wrong, which can stem from a combination of cognitive biases, psychological defense mechanisms, and a desire to maintain consistency with existing beliefs.
By staying aware of these factors, individuals can strive to approach new information with an open mind and engage in critical thinking and evaluation before forming conclusions.
NOW WITH THAT little informercial out of the way, there are loads of “crazy ideas” about what happened.
- Magic glass healing itself,
- Trump not hit with a bullet,
- Trump had this all setup
- Crooks not killed on the roof (it was someone else)
- Crooks killed before any shots are heard
- 8 or 10 suppressed / subsonic rounds fired before first 3 shots
…and many many other crazy wild-eye stories floating around. I think it imperative that we all stay level headed and do NOT discount any of these ridiculous claims or ridicule anyone asking about these in earnest. We all have our own way of trying to make sense out of what happened and yea we all experience some of the above psychological phenomenon in time to time regarding different issues
So please try to stay open, but do not get caught up in the multitude of rabbit holes that can quickly derail / sidetrack the investigation. Let us all try and stay on points we can substantiate the best we can with the incredibly limited and skewed information that we have to work with without getting irritated with each other.
Please remember who the real enemy is (the deep state), not each other. Divide and conquer is their game and if they can keep us distracted and fighting among ourselves - they win.
…NOW… ABOUT YOUR VIDEO - the intro about the free mason symbology is conjecture and speculation. There’s also some ‘confirmation bias’ going on as the video maker is quite confident it was staged, and trump isn’t shot. He is so fixated on that idea that he cannot be logical about what happens.
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I agree there is no blood on trump’s hand the moment he realizes he’s been shot however, blood doesn’t start gushing immediately. It takes a few seconds, so that explains why there’s no blood on his hand…
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At 22 minutes into the video, “the expert commentator” (‘Max Malone’ who claims the SS sniper on the barn behind Trump) fired the first 3 bullets is wrong - period. (We are not the “dumb-dumbs who can’t figure this out” - he is. He is trying to suggest that the sniper is firing the first 3 rounds because of the alleged recoil of the rifle - he’s wrong, that is not recoil and there is no muzzle flash.
2a. There is a distinct sound signature of the first three shots that have been mathematically timed to prove they are at a distance. That is: there is a crack, and a boom where you can distinctly hear the time difference in which it takes the sound of the bullet and the report of the rifle to reach the microphone at the podium. The sniper on the barn is too close to the microphone for that sound report to have that distinctive crack - boom. Additionally, the snipers on the roof were firing suppressed / high-powered rifles, and they did not make that sound as heard for the first 3 shots. The shots fired from Secret Service snipers are shots number 9 and 10. We know this from the science behind the audio analysis that has been done by several people now.
2b. Our alleged expert who claims he’s been “doing this for 15 years” doesn’t seem to know how blood works in the body when he states, “when you prick your ear, any part of the ear, blood will come out of the ear like you hit an artery. Ears bleed, all the blood rushing to the head pours out of the ears. You want to get rid of your blood quickly, just cut you ear, just Nick it and you will loose all the blood in your body in minutes.”
2c. Our “expert” then shows the dead body on the roof and says “this guy probably works for them and is pretending to be dead”. Well I can’t say with certainty who exactly the dead guy is (Crooks / Yearick) - but I can tell you he’s missing his front teeth and just had the back of neck blown out and yes, he’s dead.
This is utter bullshit and he is talking out of his ass like we humans sometimes do (myself included) - it our job as decent and genuine human beings to help each understand the truth here with these issues - not insult and fight with one another.
I really tried to watch the video to its end, but at 33 minutes in when they cut back to the original video maker with the numerology (trying to pin the tail on the donkey with conjecture about what the number symbology mean), I really had to stop watching at that point.
And again, we have to be open, but be careful, and be sure to apply logic and reason. This is very difficult / deceptive event but if we stay on the trail and stay level headed, I believe we will get to the bottom of it.
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“This is the location of the recording device that we call “device number 1”. Not Trump’s microphone.”
Interesting . . . I am wondering how you know this. I do not understand how a mic many feet from Trump picked up the very crisp sonic-crack/report boom signals - but it appears no other mic/audios from sources much closer (including Trump’s podium mic) to the bullet trajectories have not surfaced that were able pick-up any significant same sonic cracks and been compared to the indicated mic audio source.
Also, the RSBN - alternative view video - mistakenly reports after Shot 10 that there were additional shots coming in - but when you look closely you can see the sounds that are apparently mistaken as additional gunshots appear to actually have come from an SS agent’s arm brushing against the podium mic as they are wrestling to get Trump up and off the stage. Clearly some media audio was relying on Trump’s mic.
Maybe Chris can import the audio from the indicated RSBN video and take a look to see what the tracing looks like regarding capturing sonic-cracks and if appropriate someone can do a comparative analysis to confirm the supposition in you post. Thanks for the post.
. . . the sonic sound shock wave from a super-sonic bullet degrades very quickly (I think) the farther the distance away(tangentially) from the super-sonic bullet trajectory (am guessing the degradation is a geometric or a exponential function) . . . again not clear to me how even a very high-quality mic many feet away from the bullet trajectories for Shots 1-8 - is going to provide the crisp sonic-crack peaks seen in the audio tracings - for audio that we have been assuming is Trump-mic audio - just trying to understand the situation - don’t want to go down rabbit holes that confound the “Citizens Investigation” - again thanks for the post/alternative idea.
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Not trying to create more conspiracies here, but is strange to me.
Where are the bullet holes in that bleacher hold?
Here is the original link: (https://www.mlive.com/resizer/v2/NWABK4EBRZGKXJSJ4OAOLMBKMM.jpg?auth=04fd4cae0e5590932c7bb2b1034b9c3dff8dba35f63eb38d55fc8ee1310fdd13&width=1280&quality=90)
I posted this on another thread but I think here is the right place.
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Have we heard any updates on who the two dead guys were? Or any more witnesses of water tower / tree line shooters shooting or dead?
John Cullen and Clay Martin discuss many audio recordings of sub sonic suppressed shots (likely .300 Blackout rounds)
I would like to see more bullet strikes from suppressed rounds John Cullen discusses with Clay Martin