Chinese Firm Disrupts Big AI With DeepSeek

What a great post VT! I love it. The Glazyev idea makes sense to me. There are certain technologies that exceed the ability of the individual to control or use properly.

GPS is one example. It’s fantastic if you want to drive in a new, disorienting city. Boston for example. But it was a disaster for fisheries where prior to GPS boat captains would have to dead-reckon out for any number of hours to the fishing grounds and start fishing again somewhere in the vicinity of where they were last week.

After GPS they could start 1 foot to the left of where they last were leaving no place for fishing grounds to be unmolested and recoverable. Couple GPS with fish finders and the next thing you know the fisheries collapsed and could only be recovered with really tight management coming from above.

The individuals were unable to manage the impacts of the technology at their level. Individual maximization of returns drove the show, no differently than letting a 12 year-old work TikTok to their own individual satisfaction.

But I’m also not a fan of leaving said regulation in the hands of the average goobermint bureaucrat. I’d prefer we had a very serious and truly diverse range of talents on the job, ratings from techies to philosophers, with a reasonable helping of wise old grandmothers to keep it real.

The American Dream is not dying, it is dead. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are concepts as stale as that 11-year-old burger in the Icelandic museum.

All you have to do is look around, and you can see the lack of vitality and dynamism. Who is proposing that we gather and build something as beautiful as Grand Central Station for the public good? Nobody, it would fall on completely deaf ears.

Where are the spirited debates as to whether we’d rather have all of our unchecked military adventurism vs. great food and a high-speed rail system? Nowhere. I doubt Congress could muster the courage even to dare to imagine what the debate parameters might be, let alone truly Grok them.

In reading Will Durrant’s books on history, as well as the Bible, I am as close to 100% confident as I can be that our current trajectory is going to have to play itself all the way out.

Hubris, pride, greed, gluttony, lust, envy, wrath and sloth.

These are the defining traits of every post-apogee regime.

This is why finding our tribe, committing to the hard work of being part of The Remnant, who will help to preserve the best through the darkness, and pitching in to rebuild is so important.

I have no idea if my local efforts will be used by me, my kids, or people I’ll never meet. But that’s unimportant. What’s important is doing the right things anyway.

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THIS :point_down: ALL of it. :100:%

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This…

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I am skeptical that AI is the gamechanger it is made out to be.

My reason for being skeptical is anecdotal:

3 years ago someone within my circle was appointed AI lead for a large corporation. This person boasted to me, that in acccordance with Moore’s law and other factors, within a year, all the frontdesk staff would be replaced by AI. 3+ years later, the frontdesk staff are still at their posts…

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I really like this idea because on the surface, it is the basis for DEI. But the challenge I am seeing is the assumption that a diverse perspective yields a better point of view on a problem or challenge.

Chinas deepseek team just approached AI completely different than the rest of their chinese counterparts. But they are essentially a traditional homogeneous population. I very much doubt there were any non binary, blue haired members on the team.

The question is, “Wth all of the US investment in diversity and different perspectives, why were we unable to find a better alternate approach to the AI race?”

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Amen to this :arrow_up: Having the strength of one’s convictions, staying the course no matter what. Courage is fear walking.

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For the same reason Canada blew through $60 million on the ArriveCan app!! A freaking app nevermind AI!!! Corruption, greed, malfeasance permeates the west. Not saying it does not exist in China or Russia, but the west does seem to excel in this area… And now they get to do it once again with the $500 billion tagged for Stargate. :woman_facepalming:t2::roll_eyes::expressionless: :clown_face:

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Agreed. Our system has alot of dead rot and broken people.

This is also the phenomenon among engineers to suffer from the “not invented here” syndrome where established companies look down on ideas not invented at their site(s). This causes established teams to block fresh ideas and to readily dismiss new acquired technologies.

I have seen it in both pharma and medical devices. Its another condition rooted in the belief in Amercian exceptionalism.

Meanwhile… way back when, there was a lot of awesome innovation that did not require the use of precious, finite energy. Just sayin’ the direction we are headed has the potential to send us right back to such an era.

https://x.com/fasc1nate/status/1884066380636463186

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no surprise here

https://x.com/JOEBOTxyz/status/1884071666084610297

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Deepseek knows Jack Benny!

Now THAT’S my kind of optimism!

For any who may not be familiar with the “Remnant” reference:
https://albertjaynock.org/isaiahs-job-2/

Excellent summary. Thank you! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Deepseek might not be as miraculously efficient as first described.

Deepseek Admits to Using H100 chips

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I think it would say that the Sinovax was safe and explain the difference between it and the mRNA platforms.

I read long time ago how Volvo in sweden developed seatbelts to safeguard people in car crash. They gave it away(current opensource way wasnt known back then, nor common) and it quickly was in every car bran vehicle. As result car crash deaths plummeted. Only after 90s with adopting this US style capitalism and financialization have they gone down same road as US and UK + giving away almost all manufacturing. I cant deny competing with china and keeping open trade borders is simply impossible task like it was for aussie car manufacturers against japanese brands in 70s.
But that localizing way to adopt things is the way. Sometimes it requires tariffs to prevent flooding your market with products (like china banned overt use of video games) that harm your society and those goals.

If Jevons paradox applies here, energy investors drew the wrong conclusion over the weekend. Perhaps there won’t be mag 7 data centers with attached power facilities, or something of the sort, but the total electricity consumption could go up if everyone will be using this technology with commodity hardware (?)

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Altman’s response
https://x.com/sama/status/1884066337103962416

Jevon’s paradox always applies. This means we’re going to see massive amounts of AI adoption and penetration into smaller and smaller things.

But the Nvidia story is well and truly cooked for now…and we’ve probably bought some time on the hasty data center build-out.

Sadly I think the US is going to keep learning this lesson in the future until it relegates grifters, scammers, and midwits to where they belong.

The fact of the matter is we keep seeing the truth of, funneling shit tons money (mostly from the govt) doesn’t equal a better product.

We’ve seen this a lot in the defense space from Ukraine, to Iran and the houthis. Now we’re seeing in the AI space, and tomorrow it will be space travel or something else.