But seriously, where did you get this list? Some things are valid, some things do not account for age or genetics or early environment, and some things are a bit out in left field. I did graduate work…
ao, I’m not into arguing, I’m into results and learning from people who get even better results. If you disagree with any specific and desire a open convo about it, specify. I get material from literally thousands of sources for over 30 years, personal experience, family experience, and local guys like Adam. My views are common knowledge, and I am nothing special to hit those 6 points.
…if someone in your family is squatting or deadlifting 3x body weight at a more advanced age…
This is why Adam posts pictures. You are clearly not discussing in good faith, just cherry-picking data to try and argue. I’m not interested in that. I specifically said, 1.5-3X body weight up to 65. And I fully expect to deadlift well beyond 1.5X my body weight (225#) well past 65 yo with ease. That’s nothing; watch Adam deadlift (he’s no spring chicken). And 150# deadlifters hitting 3x BW (450#) doesn’t even get them in the top 20 in a particular USA federation.
I don’t agree with that but let’s get specific. You said 1.5 to 3x body weight. That is a huge range, so broad that it is almost meaningless. That’s like saying a 1 mile run time of between 5 minutes to 10 minutes. One is reasonably fast, the other is a snail’s pace. For the lifting, that’s 1 repetition maximum I assume? And at what body weight? And for what age? So if you’re presenting information in good faith, can YOU be more specific. I’m not here to argue. I’m here to get facts. The world’s record for deadlifting in the Masters 3 Class (60-69 years old) in the 105 kg. body weight class is 280 kg., which is 2.66X BW so even the world record holder can’t reach 3x BW. So you may want to be more specific about your claims. Hence the data on a male 65 years of age weighing 105 kg. being able to dead lift 3X body weight doesn’t exist because the capability doesn’t exist. That’s why I asked you to be more specific.
Sorry but Adam’s dead lift just isn’t that impressive to me. That’s not to put Adam down. He’s done a fantastic job and I applaud him for that. But I’m just being honest here. It’s not an impressive dead lift. How old is he? Late 40s I would guess. Males typically reach peak strength by age 45 and can maintain it through age 60 with proper training and nutrition. That’s the approximate path I followed. The first time I ever tried a deadlift at age 20 and a body weight of 195, with zero training in it, I lifted 455 lbs. But I don’t think it’s a particularly healthy exercise though, long term, for the hips, sacroliac joints, or lumbar spine. And it doesn’t translate well into function. Ditto with squatting with weights. I don’t care how good your form is. These lifts will beat up your body over time and the results often aren’t evident until about the mid 50s to 60 years of age. I worked with a number of professional and Olympic athletes in my life so I saw this pattern again and again. How many have you interacted with personally or are you just going off what you see on YouTube videos?
You say you get your information from thousands of sources but your link is an instructional video in how to do a squat. In that video, the person demonstrating doesn’t even do a full squat. His knee flexion angle is about 130 deg. and his heel to buttock distance is over 12 inches. So I’m left to wonder if he can even perform a full squat.
Free full range squatting with zero weight for reps is another matter and more closely replicates functional strength. The great wrestler Gama used that as one of his foundational exercises and built enormous strength through doing thousands of repetitions. Try doing a few hundred free squats in one set and see how you feel and note the load to your cardiovascular system as well, which is incredible. You will be puffing like a steam engine and be right at your maximum heart rate. Try doing dozens of free high speed squats in multiple timed sets in a HIT format and you’ll feel muscles in your legs you never knew you had and never felt with squatting with weights because of the functional eccentric loading.
But here’s a very simple functional test. Can you squat and work in that position for an hour like almost any Okinawan old woman can do? Here’s a shorter duration functional test. Can you come up from a cross legged sitting position on the floor without using your hands? Other functional tests would be a vertical jump and a broad jump, simple tests that reveal true lower extremity explosiveness and have functional application. But squatting weight really doesn’t tell that much nor is it an indicator of health.
Regarding bench pressing, so much of it depends upon thoracic depth versus upper limb length. The highest weight bench press I ever witnessed in person was by a man with a very, very thick thorax and very short arms so the starting position was much more favorable from a leverage position than the average person and the amplitude of motion was much smaller. But this man could hardly move in terms of agility and was huffing and puffing like he was going to have a heart attack. Plus, see how good the shoulders are in life time bench pressers when they hit 60 years of age. I can tell you from clinical experience. Not very good, regardless of form, diet, etc. There are particular biomechanical reasons for that which I won’t go into here. An example of a better functional test is how many one arm push-ups can you do, in each hand, from a full stop bottom position with chest touching. That tells me a lot more about your function.
So out of those thousands of sources, can you tell me the best source that shows powerlifting (i.e. bench press, squat, dead lift) capability is an indication of health? I’m particularly interested in how such capability corresponds with blood inflammatory markers, resting heart rate, and heart rate recovery times, a few pretty important things you didn’t even mention.
I await your answers and then we can go to some of the other things you posted.
The first article was a Homo erectus site in Israel. The second spends almost the entire article going over what other species of primates eat. Every paleo / primal diet I’ve heard of is trying to mimic what ancestral HUMANS ate for the 200,000 odd years after our species evolved and before they developed agriculture.
The third is a theory. The make a prediction but don’t test it. I’ll just quote the last sentence from their abstract…
Although uncertainties remain regarding the antiquity of cooking and the origins of salivary amylase gene copy number variation, the hypothesis we present makes a testable prediction that these events are correlated.If the science is undeniable surely you can find better examples than this.
Did you listen to Dean Ornish and read his books?
How about Neal Barnard?
How about Joel Fuhrman?
Did you read The China Study?
So you think Homo erectus was primarily a vegetarian and then switched to being primarily a meat eater when it evolved to Homo sapiens?
For a regular guy, not a competitive strength athlete. He’s stronger than 85% of men. For a lay person who is lifting for strength, health, and well being its more than adequate.
People love to throw these big numbers around but when you go to any gym the number of guys who can put the big numbers up is miniscule.
People love to throw these big numbers around but when you go to any gym the number of guys who can put the big numbers up is miniscule.Hell man, that's half the fun. Lying about the weight you can throw up, how accurate your rifle is, how fast your car is, that kind of thing. That's what the internet is for. :) This kind of discussion has been a staple of the 'net for as long as there has been a 'net. This one is actually more tame, fact based, and respectful than normal I'd say. But although the discussion is the same, I am not. At one point I was 290 pounds... muscle bound and throwing around pretty big weight. I tried running one day and found that a quarter mile was about my limit. Changed course and two years later was a fit 255 and had fallen in love with trail running. Couple years later was down to a slim 230 and running was my thing with a 10 mile trail run every weekend. I'm a bit on the tall size with a large frame so my normal weight is fairly high even when "slim". I'm about 245 in the avatar pic. Point? You can be in good shape and have drastically different capabilities and body mass. Likewise what you need from your diet can change drastically depending on what your body likes and what you do with it. Now with middle age moving in on me I have to admit that even the purpose of exercise and diet has begun to change in my mind. So I have more of an open mind and have also realized that the term "long run" has implications as to what is suitable and what is not. There are a ton of healthy diets and nutrition philosophies out there. The best one? The one you will follow. There are a ton of exercise regiments and philosophies out there. The best one? The one you will actually do on a regular basis. Interesting reading though. It always amazes me, the radically different things people have success with. Will
I always like to look at a position differing from the one I currently hold on a subject. You learn a lot that way. I remember reading that a Norwegian explorer, years ago, had determined that raw seal meat was the best food for his men on an extended expedition. They ate it and thrived on it and actually enjoyed it.
Here’s a very interesting discussion of Inuit cuisine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine
The question of the day. Who would like to venture a guess as to why this diet worked for them?
AO -
In many ways, I agree with you that a 300lbs deadlift isn’t that impressive – if you’re a serious lifter. I have buddies who shame me by pulling over 400# with ease.
Part of that is training and part is because physiology plays a factor, too. Some body types & shapes are just better suited to this type of lift than others.
My all-time PR is “only” 355#. I’m proud of that, though I realize it’s a warm-up weight for some – like you, apparently. 455# is a monster weight for anyone but a small single percentage point of humans.
And for anyone reading this who is not an experienced deadlifter and is wondering who’s “right” about whether 300#lbs is a respectable weight, go try to lift it for yourself
I’ll wait… 
Didn’t watch the video because it was a trailer for a movie. I prefer written articles with links to sources.
You didn’t mention any of those other guys in the previous post.
The China Study is bunk.
https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
Homo erectus did NOT evolve into Homo sapiens. They are an evolutionary dead end.
Frankly, how anyone can seriously argue that a species with canine teeth was meant to follow a plant only diet is baffling. We’re clearly omnivores meant to eat meat. More to your point, there is plenty of evidence that pre-agricultural humans ate plenty of meat.
https://aleph-2020.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-role-of-asfs-in-historical-diets.html
Dang, I had written a long post but then accidently overwrote it. So I’ll try again.
It is a pretty good lift but it’s not impressive. The number you gave was 85% which I think is in the ball park. As a numerical grade, this would give you a B. Would you be happy if your children came home from school with a B average? Well that depends, on a number of different factors.
I also agree that this strength level is more than adequate. In my past 20 years, there’s only been twice that I can recall when I’ve used that kind of strength. Once, when moving a tree off the trail when I was out in the boonies with my vehicle and didn’t have a chainsaw or pry bar handy. The other was when lifting the tongue of a trailer in a dicey situation. In both situations, I managed the lift but my back didn’t feel wonderful afterwards.
The dead lift actually became more popular among the general public in recent times largely because of the writings of Pavel Tsatsouline and then was picked up by the P90X crowd and similar training programs. It will definitely build great strength and has been advocated largely because it will generate a substantial release of endogenous anabolic hormones including growth hormone. This is true.
But the orthopaedic risk is considerable and this risk grows with age. In particular, the hip joints, sacroiliac joints, and lumbar spine (especially the discs and particularly the L5-S1 disc) will suffer with multi-decade performance of this exercise. This damage usually starts manifesting itself in symptoms around the mid 50s to 60 years of age with radiological evidence of the damage appearing around this time. In my professional career, I observed this pattern again and again among professional and Olympic athletes involved in heavily strength based activities and training.
I’ve always assessed exercises, like other things in life such as investing, by asking “What is the risk/benefit ratio?”. With the deadlift, the benefit is moderate to high but the risk is high as well with risk increasing even more as one advances in age.
One can say that if you use could form, you won’t get injured. Certainly, good form is critical. But the day will come when you are tired, stressed, anxious, hurried, nervous, distracted, unfocused, or whatever and injury will occur. And with this particular lift, the injury can be catastrophic. I recall attending a national strength coaches meeting years ago and watching an elite level female power lifter give a lifting demonstration. I watched her execute the dead lift and thought, “Oops!”. Sure enough, a call went out for a chiropractor or doctor in the audience. It was pretty clear that she had blown out her back, a probable lumbar disc injury. In fact, now that I’m writing this, I recall it was Jan Todd who unfortunately, I just learned from reading, passed away at age 68. I didn’t see anything about the cause of death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Todd
One problem is that people performing dead lifts are rarely assessed beforehand for frontal plane symmetry. The most common cause of frontal plane asymmetry is leg length difference. Leg length difference can be functional (which can be corrected with manipulative therapy) or structural (which can be compensated for but not corrected). Hemi-pelvic height difference is among the causes of leg length difference and will be evident in sitting as well as standing. Although it is a different lift, the late great Bruce Lee blew out his back performing a straight leg dead lift. He injured it so badly, in fact, that he was told he might never walk again and would definitely not perform kung fu again. However, due to his supreme training, knowledge, will, and spirit, he not only walked again but also performed martial arts spectacularly again. But he was the exception (in this and almost everything else he did).
In terms of functionality, I’m pretty sure I posted the story here of a world record holder in the dead lift (I think it was in the 198 lb. class at that time) who observed a woman in a convertible having her purse stolen at a stop light. He proceeded to sprint after the thief but, doing this cold, without a warm-up, and with his training and age, pulled both hamstrings and wound up being almost as helpless as the woman. So here’s an example of the strongest man in the world at his weight being utterly non-functional.
In terms of how this number would rank in a gym, I can think of a couple of gyms in my small town where this number would put Adam right near the very top. But in the hard core lifting gym in town, that number wouldn’t get a second look and would put him in the class of a rank beginner. Also, in a gym frequented by white collar workers, that number may be impressive. But in a gym peopled by blue collar workers who are doing hard physical work as masons, construction workers, boilermakers, etc., that number would probably be about average.
I can also think of a friend of mine who was a chiropractor and became a medical doctor. He competed successfully in powerlifting at the state level and was incredibly strong. I remember watching him easily pick up the back of VW Beetle and perform quarter squats with 800 lbs. on his shoulders (with the bar bending). But he was lumbering and slow and not a particularly good athlete. And as he has aged, problems have appeared in those joints noted. He has also started suffering kidney problems from a life long high level consumption of animal protein.
In summation, I just don’t see the dead lift (nor power lifting weight numbers in general) as being a good measure of one’s health, fitness, or functionality. YMMV.
Base: The China Study is bunk.
Agreed. For another really good explanation of why the CS is bunk, check this out.
Base, I’d be interested in any experiences you have regarding diet, exercise, books, etc.
And for anyone reading this who is not an experienced deadlifter and is wondering who's "right" about whether 300#lbs is a respectable weight, go try to lift it for yourself...No! For any who aren't current, regular lifters please don't. It's a rhetorical challenge. Your spine will thank you for taking a pass on this one. :) Adam, for what it is worth I commend you. Putting a lift vid online is akin to putting up a vid of yourself dropping a tree with a chainsaw. Doesn't make a bit of difference how good or safe it is, you are going to get 90% negative response. That's the world we live in. True story. At a get together for my pop's old Marine Corps buddies they told me of a dead lift that he did that was a good bit over 3x body weight. I was told it would have been a MC record had it been done in a more formal setting. He was probably 225 lb at the time. The man never worked out. Never. I, otoh, have worked out my whole life and have never seen the day I would attempt a 3x deadlift. Why? Don't like the lift and am not built for it. My pop had a barrel chest and normal shoulder width. But he had arms like a damned gorilla. Seriously. He was a bit over 6' 2" like me, but he had a reach that outspanned me by a good 6 to 8 inches. And my shoulders are a good bit wider than his ever were. My arms reach way down on my thighs, he could damned near touch his knees while standing up. Build matters in lifting. A bunch. But why worry about what other people think of your workout or your lift/run? I remember Mark Twight putting up a post years ago where he absolutely excoriated people who criticize other's workout habits or how strong they are. And this is the man who founded Gym Jones and its philosophy. It's good advice for all of us. Will
Sorry I linked to the trailer rather than the full documentary. Here’s the documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ove9b16OeR4
I’d watch it. I prefer written articles as well but in this case, I think it’ll answer a lot of your questions (or maybe not).
With regards to the China Study being bunk, I’m sure you’re familiar with the art of debating. A case can be made for the opposite of almost every issue on earth. I’m sure, if you look, you’ll find a debunking of the debunking (as in the case of the 9/11 controversy). But that aside, I never look exclusively at one source. I always look for a preponderance of evidence. I think if you honestly pursue this issue, you’ll find a preponderance of evidence supporting the benefits of a plant based diet. But if you’re not particularly interested in authentic learning and just want to find information to substantiate your position, you’ll find that too. The choice is yours.
I’ll admit to not being an expert on evolution. So what was the predecessor of homo sapiens and what did they eat? All the present day primates closest to us are vegetarian or almost vegetarian.
With regards to canine teeth, your argument is weak and without merit. Unless you look like Dracula, your canines are pretty insignicant. And your molars are designed for grinding and chewing, not cutting and tearing. They don’t have the scissor cutting type design that a shark or a dog might have on the posterior teeth. And to debunk your argument even further, consider the gorilla, probably our closest relative. He has an impressive set of canines and is 100% vegetarian. Watch the video for more information on the subject of dentition and its relation to diet.
I agree with you that we are omnivores. And pre-agricultural humans did eat meat. The question is, how much in comparison to animal food? I think that has a lot to do with the lattitude the human is living at and seasonality. I do know, however, that if you observe people who have cured themselves of disease, there are far, far, far more who went from a heavily animal based diet to a plant based diet who have cured themselves than vice versa. In fact, I recall a research study published years ago in Acta Physiological Scandinavica that looked at all the various treatment regimens for treating rheumatoid arthritis. The most effective, more so than any pharmaceutical regimen, was therapeutic fasting followed by a healthy vegetarian diet. Joel Fuhrman has noted that this therapeutic benefit of a plant based diet extends to many of rheumatological disease as well.
I’m sure if you do an honest search for the truth, you’ll find that, in comparison to a diet with high levels of animal protein, a plant based diet is markedly superior.
Oh, by the way, in Jack LaLanne’s book, “Celebrating 90 plus Years of Healthy Living”, on page 8, Jack talks about how he became a vegetarian after listening to Paul Bragg. I was not aware of this previously. I know he dabbled with drinking fresh blood and also had heard of him eating fish in a restaurant so I’m not sure how closely he adhered to this in later years. I do know, when you look at his physical performance, his health and fitness, and his age when he passed, he was outstanding on all accounts. There was a reason Arnold Schwarzenegger called Jack an “animal” when, at age 54, Jack outperformed Arnold in his prime, who was 33 years younger.
Bill Pearl, the body builder (who was incredibly strong as well and proved that in demonstrations where he did such things as exploding hot water bottles by blowing into them and tearing phone books in half) became a vegetarian at age 39 and is still with us at 90. From my understanding though, he is lacto-ovo. I can’t cut and paste the photo but do a search for Bill at age 57. His appearance is incredible.
Adam, I agree with your thinking. I only lift because it keeps me really fit, flexible, and feeling young beyond 50 years old, not to get gains. I actually feel younger and more agile than when I was 30, all due to diet and lifting. It’s crazy.
physiology plays a factor, too. Some body types & shapes are just better suited to this type of lift than others.
Yep. I love to focus on lifts my body is not built for - such as squats. I don’t ever care about how much; I never even try to find my max as I feel it healthier to do 5x3 or 5x5 sets rather than a single strain. What has really helped (besides diet of course) has been always increasing weight. IOW, always failing every lift, but focusing on high-quality form.
Please do not attempt a 1 repetition maximum dead lift if you have not been trained in it and practiced it under some supervision. That is a good way of injuring yourself, sometimes permanently.
BTW, my posts are not to put down Adam. As I said, it is a decent lift and he has transformed himself remarkably and is to be applauded for it. Adam, it’d be interesting to hear your height and weight. I could be wrong if you are shorter and lighter than I would have guessed.
My main purpose was to provide a viewpoint that was not in agreement with power lifting exercises and the weights lifted being representative as a measure of health, a view point proposed by MKI. Let me say here as well, I always read MKI’s posts and respect and value his viewpoints which are intelligent and well considered. He often takes a contrarian view which can be of particular value. But if a statement is a little over the top in some respects, I feel a certain respponsibility to present a differing and clarifying point of view, especially in an area where I’ve been educated, practiced professionally, and talked the talk and walked the walk my whole adult life.
PW, I also have similar experiences with my Dad. He was a USMC drill instructor for a brief period during WW2 before shipping out to the Pacific (even though he had a previous deferment as a draftsman working on designing PT boats). He held the underwater obstacle course record at Paris Island at the time and when I was a kid, I watched him pump out 40 one arm push-ups at a clip and perform true one arm chin-ups. He had hands with fingers like a baseball glove and was quick as lightning with combative techniques. My hands are big but look like girlie hands in comparison. Those old guys were something else. Unfortunately, he destroyed his health and body with cigarette smoking as well as toxic chemical exposure.;-(
That link you posted to is another good review.
My experiences with diet, exercise, and books…
My interest in nutrition started off with my Introduction to Human Nutrition Class in college. A buddy took the class with me and we both tried to join a cholesterol study to get free meals for 2 weeks. He was adamant about following a low fat “healthy” diet, and I ate a high fat diet not entirely on the “healthy” side. Somehow he got accepted into the study, but my cholesterol was too low and I wasn’t allowed in. It got me curious.
Since then I started with Weston A. Price’s book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Fascinating book. Followed this for a while, but got to thinking how much work it was to make grains worth eating. Kept reading and like Adam eventually settled on Mark Sisson and his “primal” way. So, yes ao, I spent years researching diets and found the evidence for plant based diets lacking, before I settled on eating the way I do.
My diet is now eat as much real whole foods as I want (meat, veggies, fruit, eggs, etc.). Some sprouted grains too. No counting calories because my body tells me when I’m full. I also eat dairy because my genes allow me to. Anything with grains or sugar is eaten sparingly, but I still allow myself treats.
I don’t exercise anymore in the traditional sense. I like doing projects and prefer working hard to lifting weights. I built a retaining wall and patio / fire pit by hand one summer. Shoveled and move 16 tons of rock by hand and I don’t know how much soil. Playing with my kids is surprisingly good exercise too.
Anyway it works for me. My employer gives us a free health assessment every year. Last one (at 5’-11") I was 178 lbs with 12.8% body fat and normal blood work. Pretty good for someone who hasn’t seen the inside of a gym in 10 years.
This thread has got me curious again. I should find something that weighs 300 lbs and try to lift it.
@Kat43 "Weight Loss is All About Nutrition" No, it's not. Weight loss is about proper hormone management, and that primarily comes from observing circadian rhythm, natural light, and avoiding unnatural light (nnEMF). Because we are bioelectric beings and different wavelengths of light at different times of day control healthy hormone functions. I follow Jack Kruse and Leland Stillman for this kind of information. Biophysics trumps biochemistry.Brilliant point, love it! I've been saying this for a while too: that the causality of reality is metaphysics (higher dimensions i.e. the conceptual realm where idea/concept becomes manifest in dimensions below as causes and effects, reachable during incarnation by using DMT or even meditation alone) -> biophysics -> biochemistry. Then on top of that the medical system tries to patch symptoms intead of trying to address the apparent root biochemical cause. The higher the frequency, the closer you get to "the miraculous" as you approach the 4D astral/dream/blueprint realm and then the 5D probability space and then the 6D phase space that is made of "miracles transforming into other miracles" as Terence McKenna put it and as you can verify for yourself without even having to die, by using DMT (our primary frequency neuromodulator). A very interesting case is the high-dose niacin treatment, which, though induced biochemically, seems like an extremely potent borderline-biophysical healing mechanism, apparently making it the #1 fastest Covid cure. Cannabinoids agonizing CB1 and CB2 receptors is another type as reality warps itself into preferential outcomes, or, as Bashar put it, it is of "the frequency that represents stepping the blueprint down into physical materialization". Magnetic therapies of various stripes are another type of biophysical "miracle" cure for many ailments, as is accupuncture and other disciplines of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Ayurveda, etc. I/we've been modulating our light exposure more and more over the last year, previously more just to activate chakras, but now based on info from researchers like Dr. Jack Kruse. Say we bring someone over for a dinner or movie and we want to activate our 5th chakra, we might then use blue light illumination for a short while and then switch to red/orange. People using artificial "white" light sources other than the old (quite banned) incandescent light bulbs (that includes me not long ago) have no idea what they're slowly doing to themselves (just as with diet and artificial EMF exposure). Jack Kruse is fascinating but a bit "all over the place". I gotta check out Leland Stillman, thanks!
@MKI Hesitate to go here, but oral contraceptives are also a very common prescription in the U.S. and a massive challenge many women have that men simply don't: trying to keep a natural hormonal balance while on drugs that deliberately mess with said cycle (many women use NFP rather than drugs for this). BTW, lack of menstrual cramps is just another surprising effect of a high-nutrient diet we've seen - DDs were truly puzzled their friends talking about menstrual pains since they've never had any. Diet is magic.You're right, using antiprogestogens (progesterone antagonists/receptor modulators) regularly is a terrible idea. A much superior idea is to get a good grip on your cycle and know when you're ovulating, then use an antiprogestogen occasionally if necessary (and you could pair it with a proprogestogen i.e. progesterone after a day to reduce hormone balance impact but it might be hard to get progesterone), if not using prophylaxis.
One more (taboo) gender dietary subject: statistically women love breads, sweets, and fruit more than men (sure true in our house as well) which is a challenge for women who like to bake. And of course, the stereotype for men is to eat meat, so this whole dietary change to fat and protein seems easier for men, at least in my circle.Learn to bake keto!!! Once you get there you'll find no reason to bake carb-based! Or, at least, replace sugar with erythritol+stevia.
@davefairtex Ok diet-meisters, I really enjoy this juice I make for myself. It started out as an anti-oxident blend, but it kind of morphed over time. Tell me if this is bad: Ingredients: + apple (3) + carrot (6-8) + passionfruit (8-10) + beetroot (3) + ginger (3") + turmeric (2") This is literally the tastiest juice ever. My body seems to like about a cup of it at a time, with meals, but no more. I use a slow juicer. If I don't put the ginger, its totally not right. Adding the turmeric was additive too, although it turned the juicer insides orange. Passionfruit is required. I can substitute pomegranate for apple. So what do you think? Instant insulin shock?That's the PERFECT juicing, if the carrots, beetroot, and especially apples are organic (apples are otherwise usually full of toxins). The apples and beetroot (don't call it a veggie lol) are strongly glycemic, but the beetroots' rare red-purple antioxidants and methyl donor properties make it worth it IMO, strongly outranking the apples. Maybe try to reduce the apples to 1 and add some stevia and/or monk fruit or even sucralose/Ace-K/cyclamate (tiny amount). Not sure how glycemic passionfruit is. Do you notice any MAOI effect from it btw? Others you might want to add to your juicing or blending that come to mind (perhaps to other mixes): celery, cucumber, goji berries, spinach, chaga, reishi. I guess the last 3-4 are more for blending.
@LesPhelps All nutrients come from plants. Getting nutrients indirectly by eating animals is more than somewhat suboptimal.Although it's true that some nutrients are lacking in animal foods and vice-versa, the fat-soluble vitamins (A, E, K), for instance, are rare in plant foods, and vegans develop deficiencies over time. B12 is only the most prominent example. Lack of saturated fats and absorbable/usable proteins is also an issue. The nutrients in plants are generally far less absorbable, and for many people with damaged gut linings and/or microbiomes, getting sufficient amounts of nutrition from plants over time is between difficult and impossible. It's nice to be talking about nutrition/health for a change! So much about the same subject lately, at least for me LOL. This is another health factor we should all be considering: as much as it's fun and useful to be on top of happenings, don't spend TOO much time on the same one "negative" subject as it can affect our stress levels as well as help increase perpetuation of similar manifestations. Keep visualizing positive outcomes and diversify into many subjects!
Thanks Adam for bringing up the topic and providing the incentive for people to take charge of their health. I believe that while people can give you ideas to try, its your body, you have to be the one to take responsibility for learning to operate it properly and that involves taking time listening to what it has to say. Not that coaches won’t help.
I have a lot more questions then I do answers.
First how diversified is the genetics between people, as I know there are obvious examples of extreme cases that stand out, but what about more subtle abilities to metabolize and synthesize compounds?
What was the diversity of our paleo ancestors and since I doubt they were white, I suspect there has been at least some genetic diversity created since then. How much and what are the effects on metabolism?
What effects do all the toxic compounds in our diet, air and water have on nutritional needs? What about the microwave EMF from phones and the impact of it opening Calcium gated channels in our cells?
What impact does the constant temp environment we now live in and the resulting loss of functional brown fat?
What about Bruce Ames triage theory and nutritional requirements to optimize now may not be optimal or sufficient for longevity?
How has transitioning to wearing soft casts on our feet almost all the time and thus no longer grounded impacted the requirements for antioxidants?
What impact did what your mother ate and felt and even her mother have on your epigenetics involving metabolism? How about whether you where born natural or via c section or whether you were fed breast milk and how Long? What impact do the people or animals you live with have through influencing your gut microbiota? We know that a swap of gut bacteria can dramatically change someones metabolism, can that evolution occur as a result of your environment? Now that we know that there is a two way genetic conversation through RNA filled liposomes between our gut bacteria and our cells, can a drastic change in diet/ a fast or even a course of antibiotics reset the system and perhaps effect our epigenetics long term? What signals are we getting from the food we eat through this mechanism?
Since it is clear that even the chemical compounds released by gut bacteria influence the functioning of our brain, what impact does diet have on this signaling and does it depend on the composition of the gut microflora?
Wim hoff has done a good job of illustrating the dramatic impact breath can have on metabolism. What role does breathing and how we breath play?
What impact do our thoughts have on how the food is metabolized as we know they can influence our immune system and our gut is a major part of that system?
How does time of day impact how food is processed?
Do activities (exercise, stress, snacks) prior or after a meal have a significant impact?
Finally the only bit of advise I would give is that when you get older flexibility is equally if not more important than strength in being able to have a fun life and it is way easier to develop that when you are younger rather then waiting until you start getting injuries from the lack of it.
Not a problem ao, it’s not like we were arguing about something important like Husky vs Stihl, or Kimber vs Colt.
Great first post. Nominated for best post of thread.