Iran: Oh, No; Not Again

Wingsmoker:The source that Martenson quoted and linked to was Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/03/iran-currency-dollar-idUSL6E8C30JN20120103
Here’s another, from the Associated Press, via the Washington Post, updated today (Monday, January 16, 2012):
"On Monday, the U.S. dollar sold at 16,950 rials while the central bank had set the rate at 14,000 rials to the dollar."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/markets/report-with-rial-under-pressure-iran-clamps-down-on-foreign-currency-exchange/2012/01/16/gIQAbrfh2P_story.html
It is possible that the on-line currency exchange conversion web sites that  you are looking at with a quick search via Google, are quoting the official rates at which the Iranian (government-controlled) banks in Iran are willing to exchange with non-Iranian brokers (possibly with a percentage profit and a risk premium for volatility, of course).
Poet

 

The latest thoughts are that Asian countries won’t actually stop importing from Iran, but will demand a discount to continue to buy from Iran. This would definitely squeeze Iranian government funds.China has steadily slowed purchases from Iran in the last two months, and may be using that squeeze as an opportunity to negotiate a 10% to 15% discount. This would be a desirable outcome from the point of view of the U.S. and European countries, as they wouldn’t want spiking oil prices to do further damage to their economies.
Of course, oil that is 10% to 15% cheaper for China would mean lower plastics input costs and transportation costs, making them more competitive economically…
Poet

 Chris,
I am opposed to war with Iran because the consequences will be unforeseeable and likely last for a long time. I highly doubt the Iranian government will absorb a strike and turn the other cheek. And it is even less likely that the Iranian people, after suffering thousands of civilian casualties, will overthrow their leaders. If anything, we will be seen as a mortal enemy and the support for the mullahs will grow.

I do, having said that, want to respond to some of your other points.

  1. I don’t know of any Navy in the world that operates torpedoes that exceed 200MPH. The Russians tried something like that and lost a nuclear sub.

  2. Your point about the truck mounted cruise missiles is well taken. However, bear in mind, that the launchers also require radar guidance and those emissions can be pin-pointed as soon as they are turned on. Also, US cyberwarfare could likely infiltrate the entire Iranian missile command and control net and shut everything down. We really are that good.

  3. Iran is unlikely to close the Strait; it would hurt their own economy too much. They are far more likely to launch missile attacks against US military assets around the region. As far as I can see, anti-missile defenses aren’t what they are cracked up to be. Again, US cyberwarfare will likely infiltrate the entire Iranian missile net and shut it down or send it after spoofed targets. But you can’t tell what the capabilities are; they are secret for a reason. Read Aviation Week and you can get an open-source idea of what is possible.

  4. The real threat is retaliation by Hezbollah against Israel; with 10,000 plus rockets aimed at Israel, capable of reaching the entire country, it would be a nightmare.

Now, here is a question: assuming Iran DOES have a program to build a nuclear bomb, how they are supposed to admit it and dismantle it without looking week to their own people, inviting an overthrow?  And, since we are agitating for regime change, WHY SHOULD THEY GIVE UP THEIR BOMB PROGRAM? 

 

The smart thing to do is to make a deal with the Iranians: open up your program and facilities fully to all inspectors. if you do have a program, you have 30 days to dismantle it before inspectors come in. In exchange, the United States pledges to not work for regime change, to halt all covert efforts, to sanction ANY country that Iran can reasonably prove is conducting covert attacks against Iran, to fully restore all trade, lift all sanctions, and pledge that the United States will never initiate the use of force against Iran, nor provide aid, assistance or intelligence to any country that seeks to initiate the use of force against Iran.

Finally: the president of Iran has threatened MANY times to wipe Israel off the map.  The Israelis aren’t imagining that threat and he is not helping Iran’s cause with his Jew-baiting and bizarre and hateful rants against, "the Zionist cancer". 

The price for a gallon of gas in Germany was $8.50 in 2008.
My point being is America ready?

Any comments?

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Philip Atkins

Tacoma, Washington

 

Hi Chris -
I’ve been reading your blog/postings for a while, and do appreciate the good work you are doing.  I think you are always after the truth, even if it defies "conventional wisdom".  So I decided to post this message in the hopes you read it and do some follow-up research, perhaps followed up by a post so that your readers can also benefit.

I think you are right to be quite "concerned about the gap between the headlines I’ve seen that say Iran is building a nuclear bomb and carrying out "activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device."  I would note that even the headline you quote says that "U.N. Agency Says Iran Data Points to A-Bomb Work."  That really seems quite vague, wouldn’t you say?  It is far from conclusive, and neither the headline nor the article support your claim that the IAEA issues a report "finally declaring that Iran was unequivocally trying to build a nuclear weapon."  The IAEA report doesn’t claim that, though it tries to lead readers minds in that direction.

Fortunatley you are at least skeptical to have your concerns.  For some non-mainstream reporting that actually analyzes the IAEA report and also gives insight into what the Intelligence Agenceis believe, you owe it to yourself and your readers to check on the reporting by Gareth Porter, who reports both at ips.net and Antiwar.com.

Here are some of the relvant articles:

http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2011/11/20/ex-inspector-rejects-iaea-iran-bomb-test-chamber-claim/

http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2011/11/09/iaeas-soviet-nuclear-scientist-never-worked-on-weapons/

http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2012/01/11/clinton-revives-dubious-charge-of-covert-iranian-nuclear-site/

If you want to follow more, there are some excellent interviews with Gareth Porter (and others) at http://antiwar.com/radio/.

I truly hope you take the time to investigate a bit - you seem the type to do so.

 Euro and america has collapse all of this country have a very big big big DEBT that they can not pay  in 0ne hundred yars so they want to go to WarThis Debt are involved because the SUBPRIME MORTAGE in USA

http://www.peakoil.org.au/news/index.php?iran.threat.htm

The official US line on the Iranian WMD threat and sanctions

by Dave Kimble at www.peakoil.org.au
This is an excerpt of a report given to the Senate Armed Services Committee by the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, on 16 Feb 2012 and is the clearest indication that the US knows Iran does NOT have a nuclear weapons program:
http://www.dni.gov/testimonies/20120216_SASC%20Final%20Unclassified%20-%202012%20ATA%20SFR.pdf Unclassified Statement for the Record on the Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community for the Senate Committee on Armed Services James R. Clapper Director of National Intelligence February 16, 2012 [Pages 5-6] WMD Threats: Iran and North Korea We assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons, in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons. Iran nevertheless is expanding its uranium enrichment capabilities, which can be used for either civil or weapons purposes. As reported by the International Atomic Energy Agency, to date, Iran in late October 2011 had about 4,150 kg of 3.5 percent enriched UF6 and about 80 kg of 20-percent enriched UF6 produced at Natanz. Iran confirmed on 9 January that it has started enriching uranium for the first time at its second enrichment plant, near Qom. Iran’s technical advancement, particularly in uranium enrichment, strengthens our assessment that Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons, making the central issue its political will to do so. These advancements contribute to our judgment that Iran is technically capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a weapon, if it so chooses. We judge Iran would likely choose missile delivery as its preferred method of delivering a nuclear weapon. Iran already has the largest inventory of ballistic missiles in the Middle East, and it is expanding the scale, reach, and sophistication of its ballistic missile forces, many of which are inherently capable of carrying a nuclear payload. We judge Iran’s nuclear decision-making is guided by a cost-benefit approach, which offers the international community opportunities to influence Tehran. Iranian leaders undoubtedly consider Iran’s security, prestige, and influence, as well as the international political and security environment, when making decisions about its nuclear program. Iran’s growing inventory of ballistic missiles and its acquisition and indigenous production of anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM) provide capabilities to enhance its power projection. Tehran views its conventionally armed missiles as an integral part of its strategy to deter — and if necessary retaliate against — forces in the region, including US forces. Its ballistic missiles are inherently capable of delivering WMD, and, if so armed, would fit into this strategy.
As you can see, they "do not know if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons". This implies that Iran is not doing so now. In spoken testimony to the Committee, Clapper was asked the questions
Sen. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): You have doubt about the Iranian’s intention when it comes to making a nuclear weapon? JAMES CLAPPER: I do. GRAHAM: So you’re not sure they’re trying to make a bomb? [...] CLAPPER: I think they’re keeping themselves in a position to make that decision but there are certain things they have not yet done and have not done for some time. [...]
So what is the difference between 'peacefully and legally enriching Uranium for nuclear reactors', and 'keeping one's self in a position to make the decision to make a bomb' ? None that I can see. Japan, for example, is in the same position (only more so, since it also reprocesses Plutonium), and yet the US doesn't think it necessary to impose sanctions on them. Of course the Japanese have renounced nuclear weapons as evil, but then so has Iran. The difference, of course, is that the US doesn't like Iran, and wants to bring about regime change. A more compliant Iran would de-nationalise their oil industry and open their economy to the west, giving huge opportunities for US oil companies and others to make more profits. The US thinks it could work with Mir-Hossein Mousavi, for example, who was the leader of the unsuccessful "green revolution" after he lost the last Presidential election. He was Prime Minister in 1981 when the Iran-Contra affair was hatched, so he has proved he can work with the US. Mousavi was also the one who negotiated with Pakistan's AQ Khan over the acquisition of enrichment technology, but I'm sure the US could overlook that - in fact it seems to have disappeared from the pages of history already. The US also seems to have forotten its commitment to human rights, as Mousavi also oversaw the execution of over 3,000 (some say 6,000) political prisoners in 1989. Of course long forgotten is the uncomfortable fact that the US supported Ayatollah Khomeni's return from exile in 1979, to replace their former puppet, the Shah. Those were the days of Brzezinski's "Arc of Instability" strategy, when being anti-Soviet more than made up for being fervently Islamic. Having obtained the leadership with the aid of the pro-Soviet Iranians, Khomeni then turned on them, and with CIA assistance, exterminated them. Unfortunately for the US, he then turned on them too, and nationalised the oil industry. Still, you win some and you lose some. That same Brzezinski strategy also gave rise to support for the mujihadeen in Soviet-occupied Afghanistan, who subsequently became the Taliban and Al Qaeda, you know - REAL TERRORISTS ! Oil sanctions So with the US relying only on sanctions to persuade the Iranians to not do what they already say they are not going to do, the question then becomes "How are the oil sanctions going ?" The Europeans have agreed to apply the sanctions, although they need time to get other sources of oil in place. What they weren't counting on was Iran deciding to stop exports to Europe straight away. Although the Iranian measure has been passed by the Parliament, it hasn't been formally announced by the Government yet. Diplomatic language seems to imply that individual European Governments are to be asked if they intend to take part in the sanctions before deliveries are terminated. That way Iran cannot be accused of not honouring contracts, and there is even the possibility of splitting the Europeans. Meanwhile Turkey is now relieved to say it is not part of Europe, and is not bound by European sanctions. It gets half of its oil imports from Iran, and has asked the US for an exemption from the sanctions. Iraq too relies heavily on fuel and electricity from Iran.
www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeq...1f1 "It is not possible for Iraq to follow such sanctions," [government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh] said. "We are looking for our own interests. In a few days we are going to submit a request to the United States to exempt us."
Japan and South Korea have both made polite noises diplomatically, but have done nothing except say they will cut down imports from Iran, without saying how much or when. India has been casting around trying to find a way out of the problem. They recently switched oil payments from German-based Europaisch-Iranische Handelsbank to Turkey's Turkiye Halk Bankasi AS. They need Iranian oil badly, and Iran needs grains and other foodstuffs, so a barter agreement has been mooted unofficially, as have payments in cash Rupees, Yen, gold and diamonds. They also have the BrahMos supersonic anti-ship cruise missile to bargain with, although don't expect to see that in any media. China is the biggest buyer of Iranian oil. They snubbed Tim Geitner when he went to Beijing to ask them to join in the sanctions. As he landed, the Government announced that it thought sanctions were the wrong way to go about it, and would not take part in the sanctions. This would put the US in the position of having to apply sanctions against China, who might then withdraw its money from US Treasury Bonds in retaliation. This would crash the US Dollar, so US leverage here is not strong, hence:
www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/business/global/russian-oil-industry-set-to-capitalize-if-embargo-hits-iran.html China, meanwhile, is expected to circumvent the Iranian sanctions with tacit American approval by settling its oil purchases with Iran through banks that have no dealings in the United States.
Afghanistan and Pakistan are also looking to Iran for oil, gas and electricity. The leaders of the three countries met for a summit in Islamabad 16 February.
tribune.com.pk/story/337737/iran-afghan-presidents-arrive-of-peace-talks-pipelines-and-regional-solutions/ ... Iran has stepped up its offers to Pakistan to help with its crippling energy shortage and burgeoning oil import bill by offering a regional gas pipeline and deferred payments on purchase of petroleum products. “Multifaceted cooperation among Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, being close neighbours, was essential to address the challenges and exploit opportunities in the region,” a statement issued after talks quoted Zardari as saying.
Russia does not need Iranian oil, but has steadfastly refused to endorse the sanctions. It remains to be seen if they will arrange to actively help Iran out by, say, taking oil for the very latest supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, or S-300 anti-aircraft systems. For the record, Australia doesn't buy Iranian oil, but has continued its role as the US's loyal poodle by very publicly joining the oil sanctions. Despite this, it still continues to sell Australian wheat to Iran - shipments due in February-April quarter total 200,000 tonnes. So it seems that the sanctions will make life difficult for Iran, but not impossible, whereas it will make life very difficult indeed for the Europeans. What's more, the US sanctions are forcing more and more world trade transactions to be completed in non-Dollar currencies, which will undermine the Dollar's position as the world's reserve currency. Which would you rather have - a barrel of Iranian crude or a hundred US Dollars ? Dave Kimble