I got a great idea. Lets dump tons of nano-sized particulates of aluminum into the atmosphere and speed up the process. Then we will convince everyone its not happening right in front of their eyes. It should work flawlessly. Obviously someone who's someone shares your opinion jdye51. It should be crystal clear to everyone that they are scrambling. Never mind… to much to comprehend. "Ploop", head back calmly into sand. Keep calm and slave on…
Having been a change agent inside and outside organizations I will make two points that are discussed generally in the interview. 1) Different skills are needed and people must find where their passion places them, 2) Both are critical to any success.
I am heartened to find more people running for office that are willing to speak to the communication dysfunction, the malignant bought politics and the need for change that doesn't blow up what is good about our society or focuses on one person as though the bad government wasn't already rampant when he got into office. I observe here at PP, and in the greater society, a dichotomous yammering that is status quo or fantasy world of individuals unconstrained and not a serious discussion and focus on change that is needed and how best to find compromise that moves us forward and does not unnecessarily create winners and losers or locks us into gridlock or perpetual talking at each other. There must be hope and there must be a willingness to get down to work. Too bad I can't vote for Ms. Williamson.
jdye51
the game aint over til the buzzer sounds.
i was a division one basketball star in the 70's.
a couple of years ago,i was sitting in the stands of one my neices basketball games. the kids were warming up. one of the players father said, oh man, the other team is so good, this is a certain defeat. i turned around and spoke to the defeated man," if i didn't think i had every chance of beating the overwhelming odds of any team, then i would never have stepped onto the court in the first place,"
some of us are warriors. we fight on. some of us are players, not spectators. it may very well end in defeat. after losing a game, i still always felt like i had given my all and best.
at the moment, my soil has improved due to my efforts, and i am learning to clean my water naturally. and i have planted over 250 trees on my property. i have a fallout shelter. an outdoor kitchen. among ,many other efforts
.both my parents have survived stage 2 and 4 cancer…i would think i have good genes.
not everyone died in the 1918 flu epidemic. not everyone in hiroshima died at ground zero. not everyone at fukushima has died. some had the sense to move.
yes many have and many more will.
the task of those of us alive is to fight on, make the earth a better place, and to leave the next generation a step up.intelligent people do this. and many are.
i knew when i was 5 that one day i would die. i didn't throw up my hands and quit. i looked fwd to the day i would one day be 10!
i agree the situation looks grim, and most likely fatal. and i believe hope is no different than wishful thinking. i don't subscrib to it. but…
i am not clinging on to any specific solution or hope. i am fighting for my very life.and for those that follow me. whether it in the end make a different i don't know, but i do know i solder on everyday i wake up to.
I have no desire to try to convince anyone of NTE. Based on what I know to be true, I believe it will happen, barring extraordinary intervention. So I'm not interested in discussing the fine points of climate change, Stan. I know your position on it.
Ferralhen, I salute your warrior spirit. We are each meeting our futures in ways that make sense to us and that reflect our unique presence in the world. I'm not advocating just rolling over and dying. In fact, I believe this is an opportunity to be even more alive. Some people who have been given a terminal diagnosis say they never felt more alive. They gave themselves permission to strip away the extraneous from their lives and live them more fully.
There's no right way to live or die. As Sandy Puppy pointed out, we are all going to die at some point. The difference I see here is that it is a collective dying. A gradual loss of the web that supports our existence. The creatures and plants that we look to for our food, the air we breathe, the waters that slake our thirst, are all disappearing at a rapid rate. We live in a fairly narrow band of habitability. We can adapt up to a point, then we will be overcome when the planet can no longer support the specific conditions we require. Species come and go. We're no different.
On a spiritual note, I believe we are spiritual beings having a physical experience. So my grief at our demise is tempered by the thought that there is no real death of consciousness. The body falls away but we go on. I think existence is so much larger than we can imagine. We might not get it right on this planet, but that's not to say we won't somewhere else in another life within physicality or even on another plane of existence. It's all about our journey home to the one Source of all being.
These are my thoughts/feelings/beliefs. They may not be yours. I respect that. I offer them for your consideration.
Best wishes to all in the year ahead.
Just like the Fabian Society and Frankfurt school. (the logo of the FS was/is a wolf in sheepskin)
You know the connections, FS > SDS ( students for a democratic society) > Weather underground > Bill Ayers > White house today.
Frankfurt school > Herbert Marcuse (the theorist of the students movements back in the days and behind the phrase "make love not war") > Political correctness/ cultural marxism > multi culturalism > education and media.
Also we have a Willi Muenzenberg who stated "we will make the west so corrupt it stinks".
See Antonio Gramsci and his plan for taking it down from the inside, (by some seen as the biggest troublemaker in history).
Cloward-Piven strategy (basically to overload the system by getting as many as possible on welfare and milk it to a crash).
I am not saying she is connected to any of this but when anybody makes statements like that…
I am not aware of any real peoples movement who has not been a front, coopted or infiltrated. The french revolution was not by the french people, the october revolution(in the west often called the russian revolution) was not by the russian people. Infact among others 90.000 revolutionaries was shipped from New York to russia. As mentioned above the peace and students movement of the 60s, the hippies, the new age movement. None of this was by the people as we think of it. Martin Luther King was infiltrated. On and on it goes. And history repeats, wonder why. (Did you know Trotsky used to play chess with baron Rothschild).
When did you (USA) go from a republic to democracy, are we here seeing another evolution.
I do not understand the way Lincoln is held in such reverence.
Upon taking office Lincoln implemented series of unconstitutional acts. Launching invasion of the south without consulting congress, declaring martial law, blockading the southern ports, suspending the writ of habeas corpus for the duration of his administration. Imprisoning without trials thousands of northern citizen, arresting and imprisoning newspaper publishers who were critical of him, censoring all telegraph communication, creating new states without the consent of the citizen of those states, ordering federal troops to interfere with elections in the north by intimidating democratic voters. Deporting a member of congress, Clement L Vallandigham of Ohio for criticizing the administrations income tax at a democratic party rally, confiscating private property, confiscating firearms.
The socalled civil war was rather a war for southern independence. Established by the declaration of independence, carried forward by the articles of confederation, and protected by both the US constitution and the bill of rights, secession was perfectly legal in the 1860s. So the Confederacy was a legally formed nation, Lincolns war illegal and Lincoln a war criminal. President Davis was never brought to trial, even though he actually requested one. The US government itself asked three different prosecuting attorneys to try him. All refused, deeming the case unwinnable. A public trial would have allowed the south to prove the legality of secession and expose the many illegalities of Lincolns war.
The north could not survive without the south because the south had all the resources. Any similarity to today? Start a war to spread democracy and free people and as a bonus we get control of the resources.
But he held good speeches.
She is comparing people and government with children and parents and I agree. But do we want to replace our parents with a new set or is it time to grow up. Maybe we find the parents are more dependent on the children than the other way around because that is the only thing the parents have in common, the children. What is interesting if you go back in the unknown history of how children were treated you will find much that can be applied to government/citizens.
If you want to go down this route and join a movement I recommend you familiarize yourself with the delphi technique.
Really appreciated this interview. The problems we are facing are sooooo big, they have to be attacked from every angle. As individuals wake up, as families, friends, and communities organize, more and more elections will be won by similar minded candidates. I wish Marianne well and will consider supporting her candidacy.
I disagreed with a few comments, though. Marianne seems to think that law enforcement presence 30-40-50 years ago was not as ominous as it is today. It was, and it's still happening. Mysterious deaths, outright assassinations, group infiltration, excessive and deadly force used by law enforcement, use of dogs, arrests, criminal charges… it's never really stopped… unless unrest died down.
I like the comment made by darbikrash regarding the moderate's influence on the abolitionist movement. I disagree with Chris that we need more compromise in Washington. When the National Defense Authorization Act, which just happens to fund our military, includes sections on indefinate detention of U.S. citizens, then I say trash the entire bill. Remember to vote NO means the military does not receive funding… so is the compromise to vote for the bill anyway - even with the indefinate detention clause? I think the "moderates" had a lot to do with our present governmental dysfunction. The moderates played a role in HItler gaining power. We could use the same analogy with the appointment of Yellen. Should the extreme right (Rand Paul) be able to use the filibuster to block her nomination against 75% of the Senate or should he compromise?
When I take stock of all of our national ills: lousy public news sources, lousy educations, lousy diet, lousy agricultural policies, lousy personal health, lousy wages, lousy monetary policies, lousy foreign relations policies… it all comes back to some mega, national or transnational corporation. Personally, I think the time for compromise has passed.
I disagree with Jdye51's conclusion that all is lost. A lot will be lost, but not all. I have seen climates restored with the proper re-planting of forests - in short order. More and more people are waking up, more and more people are modifying their behaviors, more and more people are returning to the land and with a healthy respect, I see positive change happening.
If enough of us un-plug from the corporatocracy, then maybe we'll just starve the beast(s).
Marianne Williamson's facebook post from yesterday is a very unusual statement from a spiritually oriented person:
"America's main problem is not an economic one; it is not even a political one. It is a psychological one. We the American people are in denial about the condition of our own democracy. NSA spying, the National Defense Authorization Act (allowing indefinite detention of American citizens), the militarization of our local police, as well as the drones that are headed to all of our skies... these things point in a direction almost too awful to admit to ourselves. But admit it we will, or the trend will continue. I dedicate my Congressional campaign to the process of real national healing, which will only come about as we both look at the things that are truly wrong and embrace the work that it will take to correct them.This PP.com group is quite unusual in that we are looking at the impact of the 3E's and seeing some real problems on the horizon. And we are facing this, and doing our own inner work, seeking some sort of creative and constructive response in accordance with our deepest values.
but needs to be said. Speaking truth like that she will never be elected.
Marianne has a very large and loyal following in So Cal that has been with her for decades and continues to grow. I believe it is possible for her to get elected in her district.
Maybe she won't get elected, but I'm pleased and excited by her participation nevertheless. J.
On the other hand, maybe TPTB will not let us turn the tide without violence. Maybe it's THEY who will initiate violence when they see their power ebbing away in the face of a growing voluntary movement. Maybe. Maybe not.
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1911-violence-in-the-face-of-tyranny-is-often-necessary
http://sgtreport.com/2014/01/why-we-must-fight-tyranny/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbA8Xtd2Y-M#t=0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uPPSaPjrSU
https://www.freeandequal.org/fe-21-marianne-williamson-with-christina-tobin/
I would dearly love to see Ms Williamson write a new book about spirituality and the Eco-sphere, with special focus on the oceans. She could call it, 'A Course in Mackerals'
And…I am actually quite serious about the title. It would attract attention.