He is in the little crowd.
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My “Timeline Analysis - ESU Vehicles & Response” is almost finished. It gives a full accounting of where all of the ESU operators were and when. I’m planning on completing it over the next few days.
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butler-des-dir.pdf
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Q: Immediately after the shooting, after you heard the shots, what were your actions? Can you describe your actions?
A: Well, on our way up to – and it was myself and my deputy , – on our way back up to our areas of responsibility, was working with the EMS team and I was obviously in the security room.
On our way up, there was a call for a woman who was down in the crowd, and we could actually see her. So we were making our way over to her and to assist with any medical care that she may need.
a paramedic and I’m a nurse. I used to be a paramedic. So we were working our way over to her.
When the shooting started, we ducked behind a police car. After a couple minutes, then we made our way – we continued to make our way to that patient and opened up – they had like crowd control stanchions set up that would – they called them bicycle racks. It’s kind of what they looked like.
So we actually disconnected them and pulled them out of the way so we could get in to that patient and started moving people out of that area, and we assisted with the medical care of that person.
Then after that, you know, obviously it was a little chaotic, but people orderly were leaving the area, and then we were assisting with the patients that were shot.
So we made our way back down that way and helped coordinate the helicopters that were landed onsite.Q: Can you describe – you mentioned chaotic – just what that looked like from an emergency services standpoint?
A: Well, from our perspective, because we had no idea what was going on, you know, it was just – it didn’t even – to me, it did not seem like that it was shooting. It sounded like fireworks to me. But my deputy has a little more familiarity with the weapons that were used and knew right away that it was shots, as well as there was a police officer not far from us – and I think he was a Secret Service police officer, but I’m not 100 percent sure of that – he knew they were shots, too.
So it was just really more like where’s it coming from. What’s going on. And, you know, the medical teams were told to shelter in place, but obviously they didn’t. It’s just not in their nature to do that.
So they were rushing to the front to try to take care of any of victims. So we joined them, really, more or less. It was chaotic because nobody knew what was going on.Q: Okay. What time did you leave the Butler Farm Show grounds?
A: 3:30 in the morning.
Q: 3:30 in the morning?
A: Mm-hmm.Q: What were you doing throughout that time?
A: Really, just, I coordinated some lighting because obviously that was a crime scene. So we had to get some lighting that would be appropriate for them to be able to continue the investigation once it was dark, and then mostly it was waiting for the FBI to get there to interview the ESU staff.
Since they were using our command post, somebody had to stay there to make sure that the command post was shut down at the end of the night, and that’s what really myself and the rest of my staff stayed until probably midnight – midnight, 1:00 – but and I stayed till the end, till 3:30.Q. And what time, thereabouts, did the FBI report to the Butler Farm Show?
A: I honestly couldn’t tell you because I don’t know how long they were there before they made their way down to our command trailer to interview the ESU staff. I have no idea what time they arrived on scene.Q: When you heard the shots were fired, you heard that over your dispatch, your radio dispatch, for EMS; correct?
A: No. I heard the shots directly out of my own ears. So, yes. But my deputy got on the radio on the EMS channel and told all the EMS folks to take shelter; that shots were fired.Q. And just overall for radio systems in Butler on July 13th, I understand there’s a 911 command center?
A: That’s the command center that I’m talking about.
Secret Service personnel that were responsible for drones were encountering some trouble.
Can you give any more color as to when that might have happened, like, in terms of time?
A: I really don’t. I just know it was between the hours, like, when I was there from roughly noon until 4:30. It was somewhere in there. But I couldn’t – I didn’t look.
It seemed odd that they didn’t have their own dedicated communication source, like satellite or something like that, but I didn’t take note of it to the point where oh, it happened at 2:00. You know, I just didn’t.Q: And what did you think about the drone issue with Secret Service not working properly?
A: I thought it was odd, but, you know, I’m not familiar with what they use or what technology they use. So it’s not my lane. I didn’t really step in and didn’t insert myself there.
Q: Leading up to the shooting at 6:11 on local police radio channels, we understand that there were talks of identification of a suspicious person at the event. You know, that happened in the midafternoon, we understand.
When you’re in the Secret Service command room, you know, did you experience any
conversations? Did you hear any conversations about any type of suspicious person?
A: I did not.Q: Were there any instances in which you received information that you then fed to folks in the command post?
A: One time there were some of our EMS folks that asked for law enforcement at a particular area because I believe there were some of the crowd getting unruly.
That was the only time, and I communicated that to the state police officers who were in charge of that.
Q: And it was your calling an EMS who had been the one to communicate that to?
A: Yes.
And my only last quick one is you mentioned the Secret Service drone person.
A: He was talking about connectivity. He talked about, specifically verbalized, he was having trouble connecting to the cellular network.Q: Got it. The equipment itself physically seemed to be perfectly fine, as far as you could see?
A: As far as I – yeah. And I don’t know what the equipment normally does. So… I’m not familiar with that, but, yes.
Secret Service command post.
A: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. More people could have fit. There were people in there, in my opinion, who were there as a rest and respite center as opposed to being part of the command staff.
So there were probably, if I had to guess, there were probably 30-plus chairs set up in that square. It’s a fairly large square. And there were only six that were dedicated, that I knew of, as part of the command staff for the Secret Service and state police, myself, and the two individuals from the grounds.
Everybody else was in and out. Some of them were plainclothes officers who were out in the crowd and then would come in and, you know, sit in the air conditioning for a little bit, get something to drink, and go back out.
your understanding of how Secret Service would have been notified about that, especially within the command post?
A: Well, I know that the ESU had direct communication with the Hercules sniper team. They also offered them radios, from what I understand – again, third-party information – so that they would have access to the ESU channels. I don’t believe they utilized that; but, again, third party. I wasn’t part of those discussions.
But I would think that if they had something critical, they would communicate it through the radio to somebody in the Secret Service command post, whether it was myself or and let them know and we could have verbalized it to them. So that’s one way. That’s one avenue.
There’s also, you know, the avenue – I know that the ESU leader was in contact with the state police representative via phone call, cellular phone call. I don’t know about text messages. I wasn’t in there during that time.
radios
Q: Were there additional ones for them to use there?
A: We always have additional radios for anybody who wants a radio. Right? We want people to have access to our system, understanding that disparate systems creates issues.
So we always make radios available.
Nobody from the Secret Service command room asked for a radio or asked to have access to a radio.
Again, I know of no third party that offered radios to the sniper teams. I wasn’t part of that, but I would have supported it because that’s what we typically do.Q. So you’re not sure if the Hercules Secret Service counter-sniper teams had radios?
A: I don’t know what they had.
Q: When you were in the command post, did you hear anyone listening to, say, OPS 3 local police or OPS 4?
A: No.
Q: FirstNet, I just want to clarity: You have it on your personal phone?
A: Correct.Q. And is that something where you go in and get something technologically done to it, or is it special hardware?
A: So it’s a special SIM card that gives you priority over general public traffic on cellular devices.
Q: And you had no problem communicating because you had that?
A: I didn’t, no.
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It was partially sliding open in spots, but they weren’t locked in their extended position yet. Using a telescopic ladder when you’re not used to one can be a little funny at first. From what I know, they don’t lock in their down position, only when extended, so as the ladder is being transported and passed segments are sliding towards open without seating in their open position. The one I have used I believe had a strap (velcro?) to keep the rungs together when not extended. At any rate, telescopic ladders are quite convenient. So, ya know, stupid ladder, operator error (though likely from unfamiliarity), potato potato.
Telesteps 1600ET 12.5 ft Tactical Telescoping Ladders
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@redranamber and @kincses-zsolt
Here is another round of Investigation Tools revisions. Thanks for your help in identifying some of the Task Force transcripts.
In the Research Tools I added a 3rd page of Overview Maps to include the USSS posts map.(Note @sorey’s buildings and doors map on Overview Maps (1).) I used Lt. Herold’s testimony to number the posts the best I could, based on the information available, but even if not accurate they will give us reference points…
Research Tools (Rev 18).pdf (3.8 MB)
I added post numbers on the PSP and Sheriff’s ID pages, just in case we’re able to determine some of those. I also updated the ID for PSP Trooper Mark A. Nuegebauer, thanks to a heads up from @Piper_truth1 on X. I did a 5-point verification (due to not having a named face image) to ensure it’s correct.
Recognition Tools (Rev 24).pdf (3.8 MB)
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Thanks for sharing the tactical ladder details! I’m going to include the information in my ESU Vehicles & Response analysis, if you don’t mind, giving you credit of course.
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I don’t mind at all! Anything I share is meant to help further our collective understanding. And honestly though I absolutely appreciate the credit, it is of less importance to me than furthering our investigative efforts.
Aaahyiea! That is quite a resemblance! I don’t know if we have a way to verify it one way or the other exactly, but that is truly uncanny!
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I wonder… how often would BuC and BeC interact and/or train together? This was BeC’s ladder right? I don’t see it outside the scope of possibility for Schaffner with BuC training alongside BeC, perhaps with this ladder. Though I don’t know how likely it would be for a BuC operator to be featured in a product image with a BeC ladder. Not impossible, just the details are curious.
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Huh!???!??!??
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It had to be BuC ESU’s ladder from the Terradyne. (My analysis in progress is already coming in handy. 
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Fantastic! I think we’ve just broken down a handful of barriers to this actually being a BuC operator in the photo, if not actually a Schaffner image with ladder in hand! 
And I am quite anticipating your new analysis! 
Time for hype! 
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My first thought was Oesterling, seeing as he brought it to AGR. I was going to ask you if he stopped for a promotional photo-op along the way. 
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And yet another agency we have unrepresented in this matter, the U.S. Marshalls, with Fugitive Task Force across his back:
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I can add them to the Recognition Tools, most likely in the Other category. I don’t think we have ATF, either, though they came after the shooting other than the off duty agent who just went to see the rally.
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Copenhaver’s arm was shot(grazed) first, and his abdomen was shot 1.6 seconds later, with Dutch’s shot in between those 2.
If 1/3 of Biden supporters think the injuries were ‘staged’, those “1/3” are more ridiculous than ever.
Can you align Copenhaver’s upper left arm(outside, southwest of that arm) with Trump’s right ear and aim north to a muzzle location on AGR?
“They” could be avoiding that discovery, too.
The ‘Other’ category is likely perfectly fine for them too, at least for now as we don’t have very much of a presence displayed from them. As far as ATF, what do we have on them? Is there video evidence of them? Audio? Radio? Just curious and can’t really recall.
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Any idea who we might have here? Bottom right are all the ones it couldn’t possibly be, due to leaving with the Terradyne or having previously been passed (Oesterling) moments ago. [Not trying to spoil any more of your upcoming ESU release, if you’ve already got him identified, just someone I came across and didn’t quite recognize!]
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That would be Ray McDonald. I have him under CAT #2 just because he was listed as the SQ200 driver, but I want to move him somewhere more fitting because he’s BuC ESU, and a medical professional.
He is near the back of this group that carried Comperatore to the tent. He and Jurysta both stay mostly around the north side of the bleachers and tents from what I’ve observed.
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Thank you, I knew he looked familiar! I didn’t think to check McDonald because of the fact he was with the Jurysta group, but that wouldn’t necessarily lock him into that tent (Med tent?), and actually that location would make sense for him if he were to break off from responding in that way.
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If you look earlier in Gianvito’s video as he passes by the VIP tent you’ll see Jurysta poking his head in the tent, without his backpack on. Other than those few sightings I don’t track those two any further.
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