So It's Back To First Principles

Compare the drone time to the evidence of when cell service went down from my analysis slides.

Note that it was reported as being down at 5:47 pm, and at 5:51 pm a text message was sent. This poor cell service only lasted 4 minutes. It had very little impact on the overall timeline of events


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Cataloguing another name reference I came upon, if you listen to the audio of Beaver Co Bodycam 2, when Michel goes through the fence, asking if they are going to fit, you can hear one of them say, “Hold on, Rich,”. And I don’t see a Rich, Richard, Dick, Rick, anything close to that in our list. So, either there are names missing from the report, or could this maybe be another case of someone going by their middle name?

If I remember myself correct: in one bodycam video (think BWC2-122110) the guys talk to each other and one asked if he was realising they shut down the cell service when Trump arrived (think he arrived arround 5pm). The other one mentioned that they normaly do that when a president arrives in a place. So could be they had outages before 5:47pm as well.

But thank you for bringing up this chat message story again, I tried to put together all those Grassley pdf’s in a redable form some days ago but didn’t post it yet. This is what I have so far, maybe you have some thought about it:

The AGR Sniper Crew:

Overall Sniper Crew (excl. USSS):

Commando Crew

Team Leaders

This one I couldn’t fit in anywhere:

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Richard (Rich) Gianvito, Beaver County ESU, the bodycam guy going up the roof with Michel (Nicol’s wife). He’s not on the DJT Detail.
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The text chains look interesting. I’ll check them out later.

Sen. Cornyn (not Lee, and you’ll see why the reporter at Fox 5 screwed it up), begins his questions ay 1:30:45. The drone questions come up first, so not a long listen. The SS drone(s) did not go operational until after 5 pm.

LIVE: Homeland Security Hearing on ‘Security Failures Leading to Assassination Attempt on Trump’ (youtube.com)

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Aha! Silly me, sorry sorey, I was in fact referencing your Personnel_DJT Detail spreadsheet and hadn’t yet realized he was missing from it until now! Whoops! :grin:

The text chains I find…interesting to say the least. Immediate question, what in the actual hell is “game time” ?


Cell phones weren’t too jammed up for a “Game time!!” at 5:34 pm followed by a thumb’s up response at 5:35 pm, and then sending Crooks’ photos at 5:38 pm.

Honestly these text chains, coupled with Vegas’ Cat and Mouse game slides paint a really dark picture, I think.

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So does the fact that the SS had drone capability around the time Crooks walks onto the AGR property, which was ~5:04 pm according to the Jon Malis dashcam, and it was 5:10 pm when Nicol first spotted Crooks looking suspicious. The SS drone operator would have had 61 minutes to find Crooks with the drone, had he been aware of the suspicious person at that time. However, we have to be fair to the SS.

If you go back to my slide 24, you’ll see that it wasn’t until 5:53 pm that SS counter-snipers were made aware of a suspicious person. But did the drone operator get notified? If not, he should have been notified shortly after 6:03 pm. That gave him as much as 18 minutes and as little as 8 minutes to spot Crooks with the drone.

RC - “Inside the Butler County command center, Lenz again called Olayer in the Secret Service command post to pass on a message during a 40-second call at 6:03 p.m., according to the law enforcement official familiar with the police response and call logs. The message was also passed on to local police units.” (Source: WP)

The major issue here is the delay in reporting time on Nicol’s part, not drone or internet service issues.

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True, it also shows the sometimes massive delay times that occur when using this type of messaging system in such time critical moments, it’s just trash and you always get distracted from your actual task.

Game time!! I’d say that just means “now it counts / the show starts” or something like that. But yeah, now after all what happened that has a bit of a smell…

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Don’t expect them to have drones that go for so long. Rather it would be like

  • fly&search for 10min
  • charge battery for 40min
  • fly&search for 10min
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Hi leadcounsel,

Since we are all hear to investigate and to find out the truth, I would like to bring forward some facts and documents that justifies my claim. Only this way we can advance seeking for the truth.

This is what Chris told us from the beginning. Bring the facts and then draw your conclusion.

So, I took time to double check the trajectory from window 2 to Trumps ear one more time, which according to the latest calculations and video findings seems to be the first shot that was shot.

This time I also took into account the sea-level differences between the stage and the bleachers which is exactly 1 foot. It seems to be much closer than presented in my first drawing and therefore I agree that your argument is justified. But it turnes out that the shot is clear from a possible collusion with somebody on the left bleachers:

We can see exactly where the bullet trajectory goes through the bleachers, namely the people in green seem to be in danger looking at the top view. The guy in red is out of danger. This indicates that row 1 and 2 are danger zones looking from the top view.

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Looking at the side view, we can however see that all 3 people are out of the danger zone. The angle of the shot is 0.72° and Trump is standing 66 feet away from the bleachers. Therefore, we can consider that the shot from window 2 is possible.

If you have any further questions, I would be glad to evaluate it together with you so that we can come to an agreement on this topic.

Kudos for thinking to do this in the first place, and for putting it together. I do have a question and a suggestion. (Note: I would not have caught a few things timeline wise had I not viewed the texts in this format, so thanks.)

Question: Whose phones are these taken from? My biggest question has to do with the difference between the message colors in the 1st and 2nd chains. The first is clearly taken from Woods’ phone, and like my cell phone his text message color is blue. In chain 3 the blue message about self-driving I always assumed was Woods, due to having to leave early. The issue is you have the green messages as Woods in chain 2. i always thoughtthe “Guys I’m out” message was Woods, but why is his color now green?

Suggestion: You might want to add the date before the Crooks photos message.

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I just googled flight times.

“Flight Time: Consumer drones typically offer flight times ranging from 15 to 30 minutes . High-end consumer and professional drones can extend this to 45 minutes to an hour. “

I would first assume they had higher quality drones with longer flight times. Second, I would assume they had more than one, and following some of the drone sighting posts recently it appears two were being flown at the same time, if they are drones and not birds. I’m believing the drones camp now, and want to go back and check the timestamp of the bodycam.

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The issue is that Nicol waited 32 minutes to notify command that there was a suspicious person, and that was only after he spotted Crooks with a range finder, which would make him a person of interest. He wasted 1/2 of the time remaining until Trump was shot, since Nicol first spotted a suspicious person. He didn’t even share the photos with the counter-sniper group until after he saw the range finder. And why not share it with command so the LEO’s on the ground would know to go look for Crooks and confirm whether or not he was a potential threat. The counter-sniper team wouldn’t be doing that. Hell, Nicol had to be prompted to call command.

The technology involved pales in comparison to the time delay as far as being a contributing factor.

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Sure if they only have one battery for the drone. I think they would have multiple batteries for each of their drones. And why such a short flight time? There are drones with longer flight time than that.

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How many times are you going to “change” the “settled facts” of your “solved mystery?” None of your drawings have elevations listed, distances, etc. All you’ve done is draw straight lines that support your ideas without any data.

I can again refer to literally the best evidence we have, the actual picture taken from 1 of the shooting victims that proves without a doubt, window 2 is totally concealed and window 3 is also effectively concealed by the people standing shoulder to shoulder, packed several deep, many holding signs. The shots that passed right by Trump’s head and struck the bleachers, victim simply could not have come from Window 2 or Window 3. I don’t care what your drawings show. It wasn’t possible.

You’re also seemingly claiming it’s a straight flat shot but it actually appears it would be firing at an uphill angle given the much lower AGR#6 building and the windows. Shooter would be firing at a much lower height and shooting up hill. Yet all the bullet impacts were more flat trajectory IIRC.


Further, given the depth of the AGR#6 sitting in low ground, I’m not convinced Windows 3 and 2 could clear the far or near fences. Even placing Trump on a platform, his red hat is about even/level with the center of those 4 tall stacks, or the top of the square box in the center of those 4 stacks. That’s going to be very close to not clearing them.

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I put names to my best guess, some might be wrong. As you correctly say, the first is from Woods in color blue. I guess he as the lead sniper set up that chat. I’m not so familiar with the coloring system in this kind of group Chats, but could it be somebody else set up chain 2 and therefore Woods answers have another color?
Now that I’m thinking about it, wasn’t Priolo also meant to leave around 4pm due to the DJT Detail, could it be him who wrote “Guys I’m out”?

:+1:

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hope you noticed I was writing that with a little :wink:

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That was my first thought, but then I looked at the unredacted AAR timeline to reconfirm he had timeline entries, so thought it wouldn’t make sense for it to be him. But thinking about it again, what’s to stop him from staying engaged with the text group after he left.

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He could have literally walked into the command and tell them in person, go back to his post and still have only wasted half the time of the half he did.

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If you’re referring to the drone flight time, I read it with your prior statement, "As Bongino says, they have “yesterdays technology tomorrow,” in mind, which immediately came to mind. All good.

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