So It's Back To First Principles

Maybe, because they couldn’t use it correctly. :slight_smile:

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of course you’re right and I didn’t wana say it was corruption involved.
But they for sure (over)streched the rules when sheriff’s deputies used the courthouse, official email adress and maybe also some of their work time to operate a nonprofit corporation with a stated purpose of raising money for their office’s K9 program.

That’s possible too, they for sure should do some more training on how to use the tactical ladder. BeC, BuC and Butler TWP can do it together :joy:

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Here’s one you guys missed and another family connection.
Ronald Costanza’s brother George. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Sorry. I couldn’t resist.


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Bipartisan Report Examining U.S. Secret Service Security Failures and Assassination Attempt on Former President Trump

Full Report
USSS-HSGAC-Interim-Report.pdf (senate.gov)

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It will take some time to get all the important stuff out of here, but at first glance, it looks to me like they’re trying to say that the local snipers couldn’t see Crooks on the roof from their main positions. This works in conjunction with another thing that’s going on, which is that Lenz is apparently telling the NYT that the local snipers chose their own positions, which we know is not true. A hypothesis is starting to form in my mind that Lenz or someone else at Butler (“materials provided by Butler Command”) put the local ESU guys in a bad spot on purpose, and is now trying to say they chose those spots themselves.

@sorey

I took a closer look at various videos to piece together the timeline of the AV400 and SQ200, from their first to last sightings.

AV400 & SQ200 Sightings.pdf (1.3 MB)

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I noticed you guys get punchy at night, :joy: :rofl:

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On July 13, 2024, Thomas Matthew Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition on his way to Butler, Pennsylvania, drove to former President Donald Trump’s campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds, and climbed onto the roof of the American Glass Research (AGR) building less than 200 yards away from where the former President was speaking, where at 6:11 pm, he fired eight rounds from an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, killing one person and injuring three others including the former president.

From the report: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/USSS-HSGAC-Interim-Report.pdf

Did I miss this? Was anything about the other rounds on the roof?

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I think you may be confusing some detail somewhere, he was only ever alleged to have fired 8 rounds, 3 initial slower shots, then 5 more rapid ones. Shots 9 and 10 are shot at him, not from. Only evidence I’ve seen contrary to that is a conversation on the roof about ‘he sprayed off like 10 rounds’, but that does not appear to have been from counting the shells just going off what he heard in the action in my opinion.

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Yeah, they saw he had 50 and we know he didn’t shoot 50. Just dawned on me-where are they??? Seen a lot of stuff on the roof. Maybe left ammo in backpack but why? Did he think he only had to shoot 3 shots??

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I think it’s more of a question of how many he had loaded in his magazine, since he apparently did not have the box with him where he lay on the roof.

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Don’t know where this goes

https://x.com/JD_Cashless/status/1838953694605221910

Today's Senate interim report on the Trump shooting has so many bombshell revelations I don't even know where to begin. Let's start w/ the fact that the Secret Service sniper who shot Crooks still hasn't been interviewed. Also, they DID have a clear line of site to Crooks's position--so why did it take them 15 seconds to return fire? So many questions


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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: George, buddy, long time no see!

That was hilarious. I am taking to heart this light-hearted poke of yours on this whole ID thing, and I won’t be trying to identify people anymore. I helped with the car’s model/color, corrected a detective’s id and then went on to try and identify an important character from the scene to see if it could lead to the same range as Crooks (and consequently to Crooks having observed and taken advantage of info he wasn’t suppose to have, for instance). That, I believe, is a genuine thread for a real investigation, but with the resources we have access to, I don’t see it going beyond circumstantial. While the purpose of the whole ID thing is just to identify so we can track their movement on the day (a great, great tool, btw, so thank you VegasPatriot), going beyond and adding circumstance does have the potential to shed the wrong kind of light on someone innocent. Sure, the whole thing has that element of excitement for tracking a piece of the puzzle, but these are real people around the officers afterall, taking collateral scrutiny because authorities just won’t release all the info to the public.

Besides, it feels at times a bit like it’s drifting away in priority from the main actors (soon enough we could be getting id’s on Jane From Accounting that was having coffee at the police lounge half a mile away from agr6 lol), and by then any online info that could go beyond identification would already be gone (if not already), leaving only coincidences to be found. (and the whole ID thing is just to identify, not go beyond, if I understood correctly). However, if there was ever any link between anyone and crooks via the range, for instance, it’s already gone from public view, leaving only coincidences that will never be understood unless an authority decides either to release info or properly investigate it with warrants, etc.

I for one believe Crooks knew (or knew of) local LE from the range, observed them, maybe even interacted at some point, heard what he was not supposed to know and maybe somehow used that info to fool them or to create confusion/diversion on J13. But the main actors won’t even show up to clarify things.

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“Mere seconds”… well, maybe for the shot itself, but they probably saw at least half of the ‘roof walk’ with binoculars.

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@vegaspatriot
Wasn’t it the Daily Mail that wrote the SAIC (Tim Burke) wasn’t on site Jul13?
The Report says he was on site that day.
Page 48:
“The SAIC also told the Committee that upon arriving at the Butler Farm Show grounds, he intended to code the Lead Advance Agent’s radio in the Security Room, but learned at the Security Room that the coder was back at the motorcade. The SAIC was walking back from the Security Room to the motorcade in order to obtain the coder, when shots were fired.”

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This 50 rounds of ammunition represent his stop at the Allegheny Arms & Gun Works in Bethel Park PA, where he allegedly bought them.
Questions would be:

  • did Crooks have this box of ammo along
  • if so, where did they find it (car, backpack, somewhere else)
  • what type of ammo was it
  • did he (only) use ammo of this box for his shots
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Looking back at the FBI photo released made me think back to these posts.
Directly to the left of where we are led to believe he climbed, there is distorted, sagging conduit, almost as if someone had used this more lefter spot for their ascent. And I have to consider that perhaps his leg/knee “injury” thing is in fact a minor wound, a scrape to his leg in shorts trying to scale a building with no ladder, using conduit to brace himself, conduit bends or otherwise gives way, then “OW, MY LEG!!!”

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I don’t recall the exact source, which is more likely the erroneous statement, but this new statement leads me to believe that the bald guy that meets up with the protection detail at the SUV is Burke.

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