So It's Back To First Principles

I didn’t get it. :frowning:

But there were dozen of smart phones. People turned away from the podium. The police cars have already arrived. Why they turned to AGR? I don’t think they observed the police cars’ arrival. Instead they might seen some sherifs running toward the fence line. Unfortunatelly there is no time stamp. It would be good to see that from air. Also it would be great to get those footages, maybe they covered a wider angle visible.

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Unable to find. Maybe someone told him that was only pixellation and he deleted.

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Great, but I cannot find what can be heared on Collins’ dashcam:
“What’s up, man?”
“See that dude running?”
(Maybe the window was open and they talked directly.)

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By the way, I found a picture but cannot access the article.

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I was referring to Jeffostroff’s photoshopped sniper on the water tower. Claiming he finally found him. :joy:

As for the people turning away from the podium, it was those rally goers Nicol could see outside of the west window by the tree.

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The question is: where was Greg at that time?
(Assume his watch was approx. 5 minutes off.)
Collins has already arrived, so it is not before 1809.

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Well, if you read the previous version of my “Timeline Analysis - Doors 9 & 13 Events,” you will see the various scenarios I presented in Part 4. I am in the process of revising that to incorporate the congressional investigation reports and released radio logs and transcripts. I have not gotten to that point in my analysis yet.

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One of these guys is another top contender for head of the Secret Service (photo from the UFC 309 fight Saturday night). Hint: It’s not Trump or Musk. Bonus hint: It’s not Kid Rock, who is at far right. And yes, I’d prefer to NOT see Trump and Musk in the same elevator.

Yes, it’s Sean Curran, the Secret Service guy. My take is that he let Trump get up without knowing whether there were any other shooters out there, so he is NOT the brightest bulb in the auditorium, even if he IS brave and loyal.

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My inference: this photo was taken at 1810.

Police cars are there. Collins checked the south side first, but he is not on the picture. He must be at east side. So the picture must has been taken after 1809 but before 1811.

  • 18:05 – Approx suspect at picnic tables and moving direction of Sheetz, he has a back pack (communicated by Nicol) via radio
  • “At 6:02 p.m., the same local sniper who first radioed in the message about the range finder was on the second floor of the building owned by Agr International. From a northwest window, facing away from the rally site he glimpsed the suspect again just as Trump was preparing to take the podium”
  • 18:06 – 18:12:
    – Nicol goes downstairs of building 1 to meet patrol to let them know suspect is
    around building on side of fairgrounds
    • 1 Marked vehicle and unmarked vehicle pull in together
  • 18:02:43 Nicol: Alright subject is in between the AGR buildings he has a backpack now he just went towards sheetz
  • 18:02:52 Lenz: Copy, has a backpack now between the buildings heading towards sheetz
  • 18:03:15 Blasko: Last seen between AGR building heading towards Sheetz, has a backpack
  • 18:03:26 Kuss: We have 2 officers, they him detained correct
    → [Nicol goes downstairs of building 1 to meet 2 patrol] (?)
  • 18:06:27 Vensel: He’s reportedly between the buildings up here at AGR somewhere
  • 18:08:20 Kuss: Someone’s on the roof
  • 18:08:32 Kuss: I have someone on the roof with white shorts
  • 18:08:42 Vensel: Which side of the building?
  • 18:08:45 Kuss: South side, coming around the bend right now towards the stage
  • 18:09:17 Kuss: We got him, we don’t have him in custody yet, but he’s right straight in front of me by the pine tree standing upwards he had a backpack
  • 18:09:27 Kuss: Someone get over by the Whitestown Rd, that’s that’s where where he he gained entrance up on the roof
  • 18:09:32 Walker T: 1126 can you see the roof of AGR
  • 18:09:35 Sasse: I’m over here, is he still up there
  • 18:09:39 Kuss: Lost sight of him, trooper was chasing him, trying to follow him around the building
  • 18:10:05 Kuss: Last time I seen him was by the pine tree between the two buildings the small walkway joining the buildings
  • 18:10:15 Sasse: I’m right here, I don’t see him
  • 18:10:30 Walker T: 1107 they have AGR surrounded 10-4
  • 18:10:43 Walker T: State Police and BT units have AGR surrounded they are looking for him
  • 18:10:52 Vensel: He should’ve been right there
  • 18:10:59 Lenz: BT units PSP should be coming to help as well
  • 18:11:03 Collins: He’s armed, I saw him he’s laying down
  • 18:11:11 Collins: He’s got a long gun
  • 18:11:12 Walker B: 10-4 he’s armed
  • 18:11:21 Sawl: You said he’s armed?
  • 18:11:24 Walker B: They said he has a long gun
  • 18:11:25 Lenz: QRF from command you need to deploy to the AGR building BT has a male on the roof with a long gun they have made contact with him, Shots fired
  • 18:11:29 Kuss: Actor has a long gun, he’s on the roof
  • 18:11:33 Vensel: Shots fired shots fired roof of AG
  • 18:11:34 Walker T: Shots fired Shots fired
  • 18:11:40 Pearsom: Lock down 68, lock down 68, lock down all roads
  • 18:12:11 Murcko: Shooter is down, 10Sierra3 shooter is down
  • 18:12:29 Murcko: Negative I’m not hit, I’m not sure where 4DSierra is
  • 18:12:39 Murcko: 4Sierra4
  • 18:12:53 Nicol: 4’s 10-4

Who is 4DSierra? No geolocations on him?

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What photo are you referring to?

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@redranamber

Passing along some compliments of your work from @Birdy1776 in case you haven’t seen it. I echo Birdy’s sentiments and thanks regarding your intellect and useful work.

https://x.com/Birdy1776

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BTW, can you share the link to your AGR LEO timeline maps again? I can’t remember where I saved it. Thanks!

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Wait… that’s Kid Rock? :astonished:

Indeed, that would seem a glaringly vulnerable position for the two of them, though the threat potential could be mitigated with other layers of security at the venue, this is still a considerable lapse in judgement I think as well. We’ve already been shown explicitly how security measures can fail, even in layered security scenarios. This doesn’t show me that they’ve learned anything or point to them necessarily making productive changes.

:open_mouth:

“Curran was the lead advocate for more security resources for Trump — both at Mar-a-Lago and for two years on the campaign trail.”
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But this doesn’t overshadow his security oversights…

It seems to me Murcko mistakenly says 4DSierra, which would be 4DeltaSierra, which isn’t a real callsign and he seems to realize this and attempt to correct it, but he says 4S4. From my knowledge, our Sierra have Butler units as 10S1 Wagner and 10S3 Murcko, and Beaver units as 4S1 Woods and 4S2 Nicol. I can imagine thinking S1 and S2 from 4-Beaver could instead be S2 and S4 as that would follow the numbering pattern for Sierra team members.

From my perspective it is in fact a direct conversation and not over the radios when they say this.

Thank you for this spreadsheet link! This is a fantastic resource!

:grin: I did see the last two posts, but I hadn’t yet seen the first one! Thank you for passing that along! I very much appreciate the praise from you and Birdy! And I want to sincerely return the compliment, thank you for sharing your intelligence and perspective, and the tremendous amount of work you’ve put into the tools and analyses! Your efforts are not only rife with information but objectively evidence based and grounded in reality, and your expertise and experience have produced a depth of analysis almost unimaginable! I feel like I’ve learned a lot from you, your responses, and your releases! I’m also truly blown away by how far we’ve come to understanding things, and we absolutely make a fantastic team if I may say so myself! :wink: That being said, our team ranks deeper still, and we would not be where we are without our combined effort, presently and previously active! (I miss @sorey and @rough_country_gypsy* to name a couple, their input was always on point!)
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I’m not quite sure on this, I don’t think you mean something I released. Possibly RCG? Which maps are you looking for? I can see if I can find anything on them.

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I concur! :wink:

Yes, I also miss some of the contributors we have had the honor and privilege to work with over the course of our investigative efforts, I’ll call out another, @rawroku, whose comprehensive timeline was another great resource, which I started to carry forward and still intend to do so.

I probably did assume incorrectly that the timeline maps were yours. They may have been @sorey’s. I’ll search again and post the link if I find it.

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It was @sorey’s “Protocol of the last 3.5 minutes.” Here’s the link.

Protocol of the last 3.5 minutes.pdf - Files - File Browser

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Only a little bit of Kid Rock is in the picture. I can tell it’s him from the hat and sunglasses in other pictures, and knowledge that he was in the “posse”. I’m pretty sure that’s Dana White at the right back. He’s a Trump supporter and gave a speech at the Republican National Convention. He’s the head of the UFC and of course would be a VIP in his own right at a UFC championship match. I don’t know who the guy at bottom is.

By the way, Tom Armas is the other person most often mentioned as candidate. No one has been announced yet.

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When Greg saw the people turned away from the podium.

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My understanding is he was searching for Greg. “I’m not sure where 4DSierra is”

We try to figure out, where wege Nicol and Murcko at the critical time.

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(Save Pamela Ferrris sounds like K. H.)

I failed to find the horse lady footage again. Maybe it’s from Greg Smith, but he apperantly deleted the end of the vodeo. It might be interesting, there was a tripod at the east side just before the shooting, but the guy had no camera with him. And I was unable to locate that tripod on another bictures. Maybe he has better photos of the shooting. Also, Google reverse search cannot identify the individual.
Perhaps it is not interesting, just a random guy walked to the rally with a tripod. (For example, I often have a pockent lamp with me.)

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It almost looks like the camera is mounted on top of the tripod. It is hard to tell though from the magnification blur. And as he doesn’t even have a bag to carry anything extra, I think it possible if not probable he has the camera already mounted to the tripod for ease of carry and quick set up.

I would have to agree, him not knowing where Greg is leads us to Greg not being present at that time, nor having checked in recently enough for Murcko to know his whereabouts or actions.

Thank you, I can see the edge of his cowboy hat now just barely in the picture and yeah that does look like Dana White now that you mention it. I don’t really keep tabs on UFC but I did find his face familiar, and not at all like that of Kid Rock! :laughing:

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I will take this into consideration as I complete my detailed analysis of the Door 9 & 13 events. Using the radio logs and transcripts, I answered a key question about the Door 13 event, and am anxious to see what they uncover about the Door 9 event, and especially the time in between the two.

For now, the real question is, “Was that hype or not hype?” :wink::joy:

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