Adam Rozencwajg: Peak Oil Arrives in the US Shale Patch. Are You Ready?

Originally published at: https://peakprosperity.com/adam-rozencwajg-peak-oil-arrives-in-the-us-shale-patch-are-you-ready/

The main battle I’ve been fighting in the health space since Covid began is principally one between abstractions and reality. Fighting against me were (are) those who think of their efforts in abstract terms like “the greater good.”

They would say things like “We have to combat vaccine hesitancy in the interest of achieving the greater good.” When pressed for details, the conversation would quickly fall apart.

Is greater good measured in lives saved? What about quality of life? How certain are we that the desired ends aren’t merely being imagined into existence? What data do we have to support the assertions?

Most importantly, how do we compensate the people at the margins who are inevitably going to suffer severe side effects, if not death, from participating in the many campaigns ‘for the greater good?’ When asked if perhaps we should compensate the few injured along the way, they refuse to do so because that might contribute to vaccine hesitancy.

These nuances are deeply disturbing to the abstractionist crowd because they quite often simply do no have any real data to back up either their claims or their approaches.

Now, why do I go into all that when we’re about to discuss oil production in quite detailed ways? What does the one have to do with the other?

In a nutshell, investing’s biggest gains are had by those who can detect when the narratives driving prices up or down are wrong. That is, when the narrative is being driven by abstractions rather than reality.

Things like “eyeballs” in the dot-com boom is a perfect example of an abstraction that sounded good but didn’t really pencil out, something a few clear-thinking analysts figured out by following the golden rule:

Or, how about the flatly wrong narrative that “house prices never go down” bandied about right up until the housing bust in 2008? Again, a narrative that was not just wrong, but colossally wrong.

Good investing rests upon knowing when a narrative has taken you too far in either direction up or down. Sometimes things are too giddy, and other times too bearish.

When it comes to oil, powerful forces of narrative control have been in play for so long saying things like “peak oil demand is coming” and “green energy will completely replace fossil fuels” that investment money has been fleeing the sector for years.

In fact, it’s such a hated sector that when using the stock screener at Finviz.com you have to go four pages deep into the results to locate a p/e of 10 or higher.

So, this is a contrarian investing playground at the moment.

Which brings us to the most important investment thesis I’ve come across this past year, which is contained in this market commentary from Goehring & Rozencwajg.

As soon as I read the following paragraphs, I booked the podcast with Adam Rozencwajg which you can find below.

Consider the case of conventional U.S. crude production in the 1970s. Production peaked in November 1970 at 10 million barrels per day, with oil priced at just $3.18 per barrel. At that time, the industry operated a modest 302 rigs drilling for oil. The first OPEC oil crisis in 1973 sparked a response from President Nixon in the form of Project Independence—a sweeping initiative aimed at reversing the decline in U.S. output through deregulation and expedited permitting.

Much like today, optimism abounded among oil producers, who believed that higher prices would unleash a drilling boom and restore U.S. production growth. They were confident they knew where to drill; all they needed was the right price signal.

Prices soared from $3.18 per barrel in 1973 to $34 per barrel by 1981. Producers, true to their promises, responded with vigor. The rig count climbed from 993 in 1973 to a staggering 4,500 by late 1981.

Yet despite this unprecedented surge in drilling activity, U.S. oil production steadily declined throughout the 1970s. By the end of 1981, production had fallen to 8.5 million barrels per day—far below the peak achieved a decade earlier and lower than when Nixon announced his ambitious goals.

Three decades later, in 2010, U.S. oil production hit a nadir of 5 million barrels per day, even as prices hovered around $100 per barrel—30 times higher than in 1973. The depletion paradox had firmly taken hold. The industry’s assumption—that higher prices alone could counteract geological realities—proved tragically flawed. Today, as we observe the shale sector grappling with similar dynamics, it seems history may once again be repeating itself.

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Wow! That’s the historical context we all needed at this time. Oil prices went up 10-fold, drill rigs expanded by 400%, Nixon relaxed regulations and … oil production fell anyway.

Consider the implications. What if the “drill baby drill” dreams of Trump run afoul of the same depletion paradox that Nixon ran into? What if getting more oil out of the ground isn’t subject to the whims of the abstractionists who would claim that ‘technology will always find a way?’ What if geology – reality – is actually the driving force?

Who’s ready for that? From a contrarian standpoint, the delicious answer is “almost nobody.”

As you may know, my motto is “I’d rather be a year early than a day late.” We’re still early here to this story, and that’s a very good thing.

Love it or hate it, accept it or reject it, the depletion paradox should not simply be dismissed out of hand. Enjoy the show!

 

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Thanks for posting this Chris. I would love for you to do another interview with Steve St Angelo from the SRSRoccoReport.com

This all fits in line with Gail Tverberg, someone who has said repeatedly that extraction costs need to be much, much higher for the energy producers which in turn causes demand to drop because consumers can’t afford the higher costs.

The late Michael Rupert also said as much, that when costs for the producers gets too high, the stuff is left in the ground because they won’t be able to sell it at their price. Are we there yet? Perhaps not now but that day is coming possibly a few decades from now.

As the clip from Landman says: “Let’s hope we don’t run out of this shit before we find its replacement”. And its replacement needs to be cheap energy, not like Wind and Solar or Lithium batteries in Tesla’s.

Unfortunately all we continue to read and hear about are progress being made towards its replacement as we come to find out those energy tests produced energy in a short burst and was conducted under almost perfect conditions.

But getting back to the Landman. As the character played by Billy Bob Thorhton says that we have an oil infrastructure going back more than a century. There’s nothing built that we can convert to a new energy source in time.

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Just for kicks, here’s where global oil inventories are at the moment:

Oh look! They are the lowest in the data series.

That’s okay, I keep reading headlines that we don’t need oil, and that Peak Oil Demand is coming soon! That’s the narrative and they’re sticking to it!!

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Great interview. I’ve been reading gorozen’s commentaries with great interest.

That said I’m unconvinced by sodium based small reactors ushering in a new era of prosperity. Free electricity but what about all the other planetary limits? Even plant food is oil based, I believe. I read somewhere that crops have been selected for maximum productivity and rely on fertilizer and other products made from oil. Can you do all sorts of things with electricity like producing hydrocarbons even if efficiency doesn’t matter?
Almost free and safe electricity sounds pretty cool though and it’s something to look forward to.

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Some companies speculate to produce fusion energy in 30s. but still it wont be like current nuclear plants, it might take into 2050s to get equal level constant steady production. These things are slow.
Im puzzled, why cant we just change city planning and worklife “planning” now that everything is already very managed and dictated from top… to reduce car use and other super wasteful oil use… take note from medieval times. Perhaps slow life a bit (commutes and other car/travel use take huge amount of time out of millions people daily). Oil price should go up if production gets tougher, but we have ways to adapt. 70s many countries did these social things, UK had 2 day workweek(I cant remember articles did they do something at home too, early WFH prototype). Things need to be way smarter organized anyway. Lot of that money btw flows to trillionaires now, in west should be no problem paying 200$ per barrel for gas equivalent, but 500mile daily commutes must go. This lunatic urbanization has expanded commutes. Idk when 100km or 60-100mile daily oneway trip became normal but certainly without car+gas it isnt possible.
Lot of things are overbuilt, as it is simply easier to spend more gas,oil,turn up heat higher to reduce complaints and thus service work and time use all over.

That same suction of cash instantly to richest corporations means regular people needing to buy things have to stay at home then, vs commute to work, as cost goes too high.
I havent seen good indepth discussion of these structural things in society despite regular “oil is running out” /“oil makes too much CO2” have been produced over decades. Trump type straight talker has potential for this kind of tough discussion(moreover his example allows thousands of others to open talk finally), albeit he also has “ties” preventing 100% of topics indepth. (Bittersweet reminder from around 2017 when germans laughed Trump out with NATO spending comment, is just single anecdote of bitter problem here in europe of same problem, but everywhere… business as usual is motto, any means necessary from that attitude will follow).

If we truly have in future 1% energy input → electric generation vs now, then yes. Otherwise currently other than very expensive nuclear, there is nothing comparable to that. Chemical processies are pretty “energy efficient” just putting energy and reforming some raw material. Taking material out of air and modifying them is next level intensive. It is doable but frankly also not ventured much due to cheap oil being solution to everything.

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When it comes switching to a new energy source, i’m always reminded by an article John Michael Greer wrote a little over a decade ago. As he points out we have been and are always close to the next great energy thing. “Technological Superstitions”. https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-11/technological-superstitions/

However, as we all know, the world runs on oil. Everything we take for granted is based on oil, including the infrastructure. It is all oil based because, oil made it possible.

The other big issue, switching to a new energy source, if that is even possible, is the revenue that is generated from governments selling their oil. It funds their obligations and entitlements. Without the sale of oil, they lose those revenues. The sale of oil is the reason for sanctions on Russia and other nations from selling oil because it hurts their economy.

If a new source of cheap energy cannot pay governments for their entitlements or obligations to its citizens, expect governments to collapse and chaos to ensue. The other problem is, the infrastructure that would need to be converted or replaced. How is that going to happen when the world is up to its eyeballs in debt, to the tune of hundreds of trillions of dollars and is one Black Swan from collapsing the global economy?

Basically oil is more than keeping the lights on in your home and powering your vehicle and making all the products and medicines we take for granted. Oil is responsible for keeping the lights on for governments around the world both figuratively and literally.

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Question for you, Chris. If we switched to natural gas and nuclear, and used our remaining oil judiciously, could we make it through this relatively intact?

Totally get that is a big if, probably culturally impossible and time is limited, so my question is could it theoretically be done? If you were in charge and had no constraints, could you make it happen?

I do have some faith in human ingenuity when faced with a massive and possibly terminal problem, once that problem is fully realized.

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Yea… already see signs of additional fees to electric, due to these reasons. This economic “incentive” especially for governments +“delay of momentum” always in organizational level to change thinking, would give so called less developed countries massive edge to straight build into next phase their society and modernize there, while west is lagging behind. This reminds of (at least history books, school lessons) they told how civilizations fell suddenly… nobody knows exact reason but modern type specialized society is vulnerable to energy disruptions. Europe has relatively few forests especially in south as those were cut millennia ago. Energy need as primary reason.

This scenario makes, lets say some country has invested in new type of energy so society isnt run by oil anymore, not to same degree. They have economic, world hegemony incentive to blow up oil wells or just to buy it out of market and burn it away… price goes up, less of that good available, meaning decline of west/oil societies is accelerated. To give last coup de grace when it is close to collapse. Some place investing 100% nuclear now could in 20-30 years then be like this, despite converting nuclear energy to EV/industrial use can be wasteful but gains are not economic but world/regional power then.

I was surprised about that 30% limit in shale oil meaning already decline yet there is still boom attitude in oil industry. At least big segments in society want to think to “go back in time” which drives that. Businesses tend to cater to willing customers.

That superstition is logical… tech and energy are our semigods in west that we’ve been telling allow our supremace and greatness. Giving up your gods is extremely painful thing. Or put in other words, we essentially have many “gods”, like indian shiva, vishnu etc, just some group connect tech+oil to that god, and other groups (amish?) their lifestyle to it. Thus we cannot see other faces of it. This kind of abstraction, “multipolarity”, multifaceted nature in societal level is very very painful for us. It is already hard in small groups of people to have agreed multiple views as agreed group truth.

One podcast they discussed AI vs humans. Humans have superior power efficiency in brains but only 10-100bit capacity to transfer information to other humans. AI/computers on other hand can do this million times faster to copy dataset and exchange information. This can be our tragedy, that communication bottleneck to not communicate fast enough changes in very detailed way it can stick to mind and commit each person. “Lazy way” has been one guy from top (eg corporation) shouts with megaphone “best” and only right concept. But also that person has that limitation to then make it pretty abstract,vague message to cater to millions people at same time.

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I have great faith that humans + energy = creativity.

If I had a reactor in my backyard, and had a spare MW to burn each day…eventually I’d tinker my way to converting atmospheric CO2 into long chain hydrocarbons.

Well, maybe not me alone, but you get the idea.

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Yes. Absolutely. BUT…we’d have to adopt a new money system as part of that project.

One that is built around the idea that humans cannot be entrusted to behave properly and within limits. So the money system has to have the right incentives built into it. One with an “enough” switch coded right in.

I don’t know exactly how that looks, but I’d begin by tying it to energy. When energy is created, the money is created. When the energy is used, the money is destroyed.

Food is energy, so this would/could/should direct more wealth to farmers. If a digital currency, you could attach higher money units to farming in ways that build soil and lower money to farming that destroys soil/life.

We’d need a revolution in energy thinking as well. If we grasped more centrally how everything flows from energy, then we might be able to socially prioritize using our NG to build out a sustainable nuclear infrastructure (which includes incorporating the replacement cycle into the planning).

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This is actually good idea. Average adults spends 2000kcal or 8.4MJ of energy a day from nutrients. Of course nutrients contain lots of other things not directly producing calories + it matters in what form that energy comes for each task that human wants to achieve(raw sugar is no good for brain health). Soldier, athlete, firefighter could easily spend double or even 5x in very intensive days of that, but then body needs rest with less strain. Our energy use is like 100x? of that food energy in society though, so that could give back some respect to farmers they need now, as monetary system drives them out of west, which is very bad idea for sustainable food security and production capability.
Food should be priority, then other things in respective order. Now we have zero priorities in society. Old ways used religious holistic rule of thumb “common sense” but current day and age Björn Lomborg style could do much much better way.
How to finesse this raw concept to workable solutions and algorithms… maybe lomborg style people could do it with their expert boards at same table. Computers will handle most of the rest.

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I hope that comes. We face a century of propaganda about health and nutrition. Getting RFK in office could be a huge turning point when we look back on today in future decades.

So to get the effect we want, enact the cause.

Educate people to understand real nutrition.

Stop big ag and big Pharma from lying and committing fraud.

Reform medical schools.

End subsidies and market distortions that support big ag.

Remove tax and regulatory penalties on small farmers and businesses throughout the food supply chain.

Do that and the market will direct more money to farmers. It won’t happen overnight.

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Most certainly food for thought,and incentive for further investigation!!!

Sorry but maybe I’m not reading it correctly but it would seem like you would be advocating for food rationing. Being that humans can’t be trusted and work within limits. Just like how everyone thinks that the ev push was a way to control your movements. Almost like a switch in the car that if you drove too much your can be shutdown by the government. To me reading this just looks like some other form of control. The way I see it what is “enough” for you could be starvation for me and what is starvation for me could be an over abundance for someone else. This “enough” switch would have some sort of equality built in it so the population would have equal opportunity/access to food rations. Now I am no where near as smart or intelligent as most of you, I’m more like the town idiot, so I might be over my head in understanding what you would be advocating for here.

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Yes, food is energy, and it is the reason that I am very concerned about the trade off with farm land and alternative energy projects.
As an aside the one next door to me will trade 500MW for food output for 78,000 people - not quite the energy you meant, but as an example these things can worked out “on a napkin” fairly easily.

There is an issue with giving more “wealth to farmers”. Atm farmers are able to hold wealth in property without paying tax that is capital gain, and likewise their stock accounts (until these profits are realised), so that helps borrowing. However if farmers perceive abnormal profits, either from increased commodity price, or capital gain, then this leads to increased land prices, and that, assuming population increases, leads to higher prices of all land, leading to higher industustrial and residentialland costs.

So how does one settle on what is “enough”. And who says when “enough” is enough?

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Did I hear someone over there say how about we create a couple of states to solve a shipping security problem?

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Nope. I’m observing that people don’t have an ‘enough switch.’ Billionaires want more billions. Centimillionaires want to be billionaires. Levels of abundance so far beyond what they could consume in a thousand lifetimes happening over and over again and across all major cultures that we have to merely observe that there’s something about the human being that acts this way.

Rather than fight it, or pretend it doesn’t exist, recognize it and plan around it.

Can you imagine the trouble if a lion pack decided to figure out how to kill 1000x more prey than they needed? Thankfully, they have an off switch. We need one too.

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Didn’t Trump just say he wants to convince Saudi Arabia to get oil prices to drop to 35 dollars per barrel to hurt Russia’s economy enough to end the Ukraine war?

As usual, I learned a ton from your interview with Adam. Reasoned. Understandable. Bitchin MS Paint skills. But, Trump’s 35 dollars per barrel thing for peace seems like a Monty Python skit sprinkled on the energy pizza. Or like Mugatu in that famous fashion documentary, I’m taking crazy pills.

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I don’t think I am sophisticated enough to follow your plan. For example, who would you propose in charge of deciding what is enough and who gets to decide what endeavors are worthy of extra credit? My list includes farmers, scientists, doctors, libraries, hot coffee, hot showers, while the elderly, children and men in kilts get whatever they need. Other’s lists may differ. Maybe when things calm down a bit, if they ever do, you could have an interactive group chat about what this would look like. We need all the new ideas we can muster, in my view.

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I remember when Jordan Peterson said he loved the idea of banning hate speech - as long as he could be the one who defined what hate speech actually was.

Banning stuff all revolves around definitions. Bernie Sanders might define “enough” as $50,000/year - with him of course getting an exemption.

I do agree with the concept of “enough” - we have been programmed by our “education” and “marketing” systems to never have enough. Who benefits? The banksters and the Oligarchy, because all of the little people have to go into debt (slavery) in order to get “enough”.

Side effect: it affects the Oligarchy too. Most of them never have enough either.

This feels like a multi-generational change. Part of the blame involves the education system, which programs the little people into being robots. That’s all by design, since it came from Prussia way back when. “Be a good little factory worker - or else you will be punished.”

I think this requires a spiritual / psychic change. It helps to understand who benefits, and that its all been programmed, and not for your benefit - kinda like “follow the science” and “safe & effective.”

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