.308 subsonic suppressed is relatively quiet. Play the video to watch him shoot into dirt without the metal target “ting”
Valid point, a shooter on the gymnasium could have used a subsonic bullet. Still, you have the first 3 supersonic shots whose trajectories line up based on the various TDOA analyses that are being discussed here. Where does a subsonic shot from the gymnasium fall into the shot sequence?
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I’ve watched plenty of videos of suppressed rifles being fired. You finding one conveniently quiet video doesn’t prove anything. omg we can’t hear the bullets on the videos??? okay then where did the bullets go? this second shooter was hidden where no one could see or hear them, but they still missed? where? why? you’re hung up on the weirdest details and you can’t explain anything else because of it. too much tunnel vision.
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Even if we all finally determined that there was only one shooter; something I’m still doubtful about, the real issue was why those three plane clothes people on the west side did nothing. So it either was let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose; there is a subtle difference, but in the end, it all comes back to complicity of the government
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.308 subsonic suppressed
Listen to all the variations; .308 sonic/subsonic, suppressed/nonsuppressed.
Then you can decide if a long range sonic or subsonic suppressed
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So what do I need to decide? My point was, regardless of the downrange sound, where would a sniper shot from the gymnasium fall into the shot sequence, and why? It’s a logics question, not a technical one. Was it shot before shot 1, with shots 1-3, between shots 1-3 and 4-8, with shots 4-8, etc?
Then you would have to confirm it with trajectory analysis.
I’m not going to engage in a labored debate on this, BTW. My point is made.
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we don’t know what radio channels they were on and if their command post ever relayed the information over.
we don’t even know who the 8 people are in that police group text message where they circulated the photos of Crooks.
I’m just saying that it could be possible those plain clothes officers were completely oblivious to the situation around them. I know that’s a shitty theory, but given the fact that we have multiple cops on camera now saying they have no idea what radio frequency everyone was on, it’s possible the communication issue that day was just that bad. but then you’d have to think if it was THAT BAD that is had to be done on purpose. someone fucked it up, and that’s what makes me think a Fed had to be helping. someone had to relay over info that
- since Tuesday, July 9th, Secret Service wouldn’t post Counter-Sniper Teams on AGR Building 6
- Crooks had to be given enough time to move around on the grounds
- there had to be confusion and miscommunication on a large scale, since so many different agencies were on site. somehow they could circulate photos of Crooks and his last known location, but suddenly that falls apart once he’s on the roof and getting into a shooting position.
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I agree with your thinking and would just add that Eric Prince made the now scrubbed comment, right after the assassination attempt, which specifically about a 488 yd shot. I think it was Mike Adams I heard it from.
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Why bother with .308 subsonic. .30 cal subsonic out of a .300 Blackout is basically the same. With .308 subsonic you lose most the benefits of .308.
We know from page 15 the Detail Action Plan that all the local Snipers and Team Leaders were to be issued a Butler County encrypted radio.
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So you would just wander by all those windows and not look inside them?
All the LEOs outside AGR #6 had their firearms out. I’m not going to walk past those windows without taking a peak inside them. I would not know where any possible other shooters are. There is nothing wrong with taking a peak inside those windows as I walk past them. If someone inside one of those rooms took a shot, we’d be asking why they didn’t look inside them as they passed them.
yeah that’s why I’m ultimately blaming the command center for the communications fuck up. someone over there was either way too stupid to do their job, or they intentionally created that mess. I’m going with the latter for now.
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The talk of .300 Blackout(s) subsonic suppressed being the probable choice for the suppressed fire at the Trump Rally was supported by Clay Martin.
300 BO is an awesome firearm in close quarters. Sniper rifle, poor choice. Subsonic suppressed, it’s incredibly quiet.
it can still hit a target just fine at ~150 yards, but like you said that’s more close quarters caliber option. even if this mystery 2nd assassin pro was rocking 300 blackout, I doubt he would then carry around a 16 in barrel, AND a suppressor. my point with that being, most people would go with a 5.56 in that case, because even a SBR with a suppressor will perform better at distance over a 300 blackout, especially if it’s subsonic ammo lol
The plain clothes men did not need a radio to be made aware of Crooks on the roof with a rifle. D Stewart film showed them within the crowd on western side of AGR at the time the first shots rang … and those people had been pointing for minutes, verbally and with arms, at Crooks on the roof as having a rifle. Just having open eyes or non-plugged ears would be enough to be made aware of man on roof with rifle. They did nothing effective to stop the shooting. One of them was on a cell phone, not radio, seconds after the first shots … rather than firing on the roof of AGR 6, where Crooks was visible.
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This is the man that was saying .300 subsonic suppressed could have been used for multiple jobs and reasons on July 13; Clay Martin is a former USMC sniper and Reconnaissance Marine. He crossed services to the US Army, retiring from 3rd Special Forces Group holding the 18 series MOS’s of Echo ( Communications SGT) and Fox ( Intelligence Sergeant). While teaching Close Quarters Battle and SOTIC for the Army, Clay became a professional 3 Gun competitor, as well as earned a Master rank in USPSA.
He knows an F-Ton more about this than I do and he explains his training and reasoning in the interview. I find it intriguing.
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I just did my own small investigation of the snickboom timings at Trump’s mic. First I did it in Bitwig Studio, and then in Reaper. For shots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8, I got the same timings in both within one millisecond.
As we know, there was no snick for shot 6, and shot 7 was unclear to me, so I omitted it.
1 0.220
2 0.217
3 0.212
4 0.211
5 0.211
8 0.217
This isn’t what I wanted to see, and I don’t know what to make of it. But that’s what I got.
Reaper is not free, but you can evaluate it for 60 days. Here’s a small tutorial on how to use it.
Bring in the WAV you want to analyze. Do View | Time unit for ruler and set it to Seconds. Familiarize yourself with where the snicks and booms are. Choose one, and click a bit before it. Then hit Tab, and it will move the cursor to the next transient. If you’re on a likely snick or boom, hit Shift-M and you can type the name of a marker. I named mine e.g. “S1” for “snick 1” and “R1” for “report 1”.
Once you have snicks and booms marked, double-click between e.g. S1 and R1. You’ll see that it understands you want to do something with the area between the two markers. Hit Shift-R and it’ll create a region for that area. Right click on the region, and you can name it e.g. “shot1”.
After all your regions are made, do View | Region/Marker Manager. You’ll see something like this:
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Yes! From this Window. NOT the one showing reflections in DIVERSIONARY videos!
Appeal to authority fallacy.
Could 300BO be used, absolutely. But, as I said, it’s a short range rifle, and deadly quiet. It’s why it’s one of the favorite hog hunting rifles. Pack (sounder) of hogs don’t hear the rifle shot, which allows the hunter to drop more than one before they scatter. If I needed long distance accuracy, there are lot better choices.