under the assumption that the shots were fired by crooks…
I still find it amazing that the evidence photos of the fast buriers of information do not show any magazine(s), ammunition boxes, not even some food or a bottle of water or alike from the backpack…
if crooks fired the 5 shots, I think he had only 5 rounds in the magazine: in his rapid fire mode, 5 shots were fired in under a second, then there was a pause of about 1 second before shot 9 came in and interrupted whatever he was doing on that roof…
bullet 9 did not stop the rapid fire burst, as it had stopped already, and bullet 9 did not injure him significantly, as he was still more or less physically intact to sit upright on the roof, face the crowd to his right and point the rifle at them…
and in my view of the following picture, the stock of his rifle is still intact while pointing it at the crowd, moments before swallowing bullet 10:
the damaged stock has very sharp edges and I would be very surprised if he kept these sharp edges so close to his face:
I simply zoom in on whatever picture and then use the windows screen grab tool by holding down the [shift] and [windows] key and then pressing the [s]-key.
this will darken the screen and turn the mouse pointer into a cross with which you can identify a rectangle: you go to any of the corners of the rectangle area you want to grab, hold the main mouse button down (left mouse button for most users), drag your mouse to the diagonally opposite corner, release the mouse button, et voila: that rectangle has been copied to your clipboard…
then you go to the application you want to paste the image into, and you are done…
YES!!! Thank you! It’s still not as clear as on my computer but you can now clearly see the top wire"V" I was referencing. That section is directly in line with Trump’s podium and window 3. Sorry, I’m just not too computer-savvy. I’ll redo the original post.
I downloaded the photo you shared @roger-knight with the cutout fence notches and yellow arrow. I’ve added the red arrow to point out the “V” shaped top wire. It’s the section of the fence where the top wire forms a prominent “V”. The notched-out fence is clearly in the section to the left of it.
What is clear if zoomed in is the section of fence that forms the top wire “V”. That’s the section that’s directly in line with Trump’s podium and window 3. You’re off by one section of the fence. Where the fence notches are located, they don’t line up with any of the windows or vents.
as long as you’re drone savvy we’re all more than happy
Feel free to ask if you have any computer related questions. I’m sure the forum here is willing to help.
No, it doesn’t, Roger. Here’s another picture I took from an angle further west (1st pic). The notches are one section of fence to the east and don’t line up with the podium.
100% out on the vent. Mostly because the people working so hard to prove the vent couldn’t make it work and jumped immediately to the window (which is a much worse option).
I’ll wait for @howdoiknowthisinfo to produce the evidence for his 2nd shooter theory, but as of now, I still have Crooks as the sole gunman with assistance in planning and access. The only other evidence of a 2nd shooter is the sound analysis, which is subject in a court of law at best. Everything else is speculation with no hard evidence.
The last two things setting my BS meter off are (A) where the tenth shot came from and (B) where the backpack came from. I’ll set those out until the entire 2nd shooter hypothesis is concluded.
@daniloraf Thank you for compiling such a comprehensive table of ammo data!
By my calculations, using a muzzle to mic distance of 153 yards, the average velocity should be between 2465 and 2585 fps, which is 38 fps higher than the range you used.
I added a column to your table for average velocity, sorted the table by average velocity and then filtered it to show just those rows in the range of interest.
I was hoping to see something here that had a Pkg. Qty. of 50, but no luck with that. The mean of my calculated range is 2525 fps. Your favorite candidate is 30 above that but still seems perfectly reasonable.
Explanation: The total might be saturated when we add up a lot of numbers. So I used subtotals of subtotal. (Something like when the bank pays interest but you cannot have less than 1 cent.)
Others have nice headphones and are good at discerning what they hear. Is this what you hear? If the initial sound was instead the boom, the echo off the building wouldn’t be so far out and bigger than the initial sound (in this frequency band). I think this has to be crack-boom-echo. And a normal-speed bullet.
Similar to Trumps ear and the bleachers, this time we have window 3 and the notches in the fence. These are two points clearly defined in space.
You can take any picture or video and the trajectory never changes. So similar to the first picture superposed with my CAD I could verify this picture to be in the same line as the shot.
I am able to exaclty align the picture and the direction of the roof lines show that the camera was at the left side viewing building 6 with a strong angle. Therefore it is correct that the shots comes from the right side.
But this picture is confusing because it is taken from an angle and the ground levels are not the same. Before the discussion gets heated up, maybe you have another picture, or you said you made a video of the fence?
I will do a complete different approch to prove that the notches are in line with the bullet line.
Yes, @offtheback , I agree. When I listen to the audio at 1/10 speed with good headphones (and no filtering), I hear a couple of thumps after the crack. But with the crack sound being so spread out, they are difficult to discern. You came up with crack + 145 ms and crack + 185 ms in your analysis. My numbers are 144 and 188 milliseconds, so, very close to yours.
I was just eyeballing to 5 ms, so your numbers may be more accurate than I attempted.
The two secondary sounds have almost the same shape. Since by definition no echo can arrive before the line-of-sight sound, the first one of the two has to be the boom. Upon measuring, the path length to building 6 and back is too long for 44 ms. There could be a reflector closer to the source (maybe back of the large video screen if shot taken by Hercules) that could account for a 50-foot longer path length of an echo.
I struggle a lot with the idea that someone would have access to a ongoing business, set up a sniper rife, determine there’s a teeny tiny piece of fence in their way for a TBD target location, leave that room cut or modify the fence, and go back to the room where their sniper rifle is located and hunker down until the target is in place. No way that could be pulled off without a lot of time and help.
