Coronavirus: The Media Says "Shoot The Messenger!"

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That was obvious even in the statements provided by the those that condemned you Chris. Second, no one found where you were blatantly wrong or stating wrong information. The fact that you are conspiracy sites as a reference, is simple. the govt is never ever truthful completely. and there is all political agenda’s and biased along with other considerations like avoiding social unrest and economic collapse. So they have to spin it and people deserve to be told the truth … The misconception is that the public cant handle the truth… and so yes… there is a conspiracy within the govt. And I ask any of you… < not knowing everything… even with the data we have, if you are a governor, are you going to sound the whistle? no, of course not. even us good people would not… Its not time yet, we dont know enough. we do know plenty… and what the problem is we don’t provide the truth objectively in the media… only subjectively. so, therefore its always dangerous. people need to be informed of facts… and let them make their own risk decisions. anyhow , i will never support or click a link to wikipedia again. and i am writing them to know that they have no right of censorship. Infact I believe there are legal implications there…

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Wiki consistently criticizes my heroes with very flimsy arguments coming from sources without the credentials to support the criticism and without a shred of science, or evidence.
My hero’s are people like T. Colin Campbell, Neal Barnard, Caldwell B. Esselstyn, John McDougall, not to mention Chris Martenson and Adam Taggart, to name just a few.
If you are familiar with all these men, you will realize that they share a preference for science and facts over widely held beliefs and status quo.
And now Chris is deleted from Wiki. Good for you Chris. Why would you want to be on that irresponsible infosource?
 
 

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This quote from Prince Phillip, in the article linked below:

It is an open secret that the modern environmentalist movement’s longest living founder and patron is none other than Prince Philip himself, who co-founded the World Wildlife Fund for Nature in 1961 along with his bosom buddy Prince Bernhardt of Bilderberger fame. Married to the head of the Anglican Church, Prince Philip expressed this misanthropic anti-Christian view of man on multiple occasions over the years and has even publically stated his wish to be “reincarnated as a deadly virus” to solve overpopulation. In a December 1981 People Magazine interview, His royal virus laid it all out when he said: “Human population growth is probably the single most serious long-term threat to survival. We’re in for a major disaster if it isn’t curbed… The more people there are, the more resources they’ll consume, the more pollution they’ll create, the more fighting they will do. We have no option. If it isn’t controlled voluntarily, it will be controlled involuntarily.”
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/01/the-coming-collapse-of-the-house-of-windsor-and-the-clash-of-two-christianities/ I know it is in the realm of the unthinkable (so was 9/11...), but I cannot help but wonder what might be at play with this virus behind the scenes. I try hard to keep my thinking reality based and fact driven, but we have seen too much game playing, lies and manipulations at the highest levels across the globe. I hope to hell I am way off base but this whole thing is just not leaving me with a good feeling. Couple that with the 'messengers' like Chris being condemned and censored... I fully expect PP to go dark at some point in the near future, if indeed it is perceived as a threat to keeping a lid on this to keep the sheeple dumb and compliant - just the way TPTB like them! I will be so happy if I am way off base but I do not think I am. We will know soon enough. Jan
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Hi NorthElkhound! Welcome to PP. I posted an update on Africa a few days ago on another PP thread, which you can find here: https://peakprosperity.com/why-the-time-to-prepare-for-the-coronavirus-is-now/#comment-306945
As 2/3/20 there was 1 confirmed nCoV case, with several suspected I believe. I also included links to news articles about nCoV precautions, flight bans, and more. I’ll try to include more info about nCoV in Africa in future posts. Please feel free to share any perspectives and information you may have as well. Welcome aboard! :slight_smile:

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You would think that with a 1.4 billion population and diseases coming one after the other… they would seriously consider adopting food regulations before selling it for human consumption.
The problem with China is that they are trying to become a superpower at the cost of cheap labour and to do that… they neglect the health and well being of workers (check out iPhone factory vids). There is little to no policing of the wet markets and what not since the Gov. is happy they are feeding themselves.
Now with supply chains being shut down… they are going to find themselves in a worse position. The food is going to start running out. I realize this is just the beginning but it’s a great sample size to figure out what will happen globally if this starts to break out.
I told Row all last week there would only be 2000 cases per day reported and that’s exactly what happened… now it’s closer to 4000 but that is only because of the additional test kits and the extra manpower/new hospital available.
You say I’m a little too concerned over it right now… and ya… you’re right.
I said by the end of next week… we will see if this starts spreading in other countries. If it duplicates what is happening near the epicenter of the virus, the world is in deep shit. Economy will bust and it will be everyone for themselves probably for a few years… trying to stay away from it.
Even scarier, is if it mutates… which coronoviruses often do (hence new flu [which is a coronovirus] shots every year). At the pace this virus is moving around, dont be surprised if it mutates a few times. This has the potential to be a game changer and everyone loves to think optimistically… I also do… but on the other hand… I plan for the worst… that way I can never be disappointed.
Signed…
The Worried Neighbour…
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St Louis, MO, USA - I wanted to just thank everyone for what a great community of people we have here on the Peak Prosperity website for sharing what their own situation is. Hat’s off to Chris and Adam for the way they have responded to this crisis and how they have gone out of their way to keep us informed and apprised with the information we need to make sound decisions for our own safety and well being.
I’ve been randomly surfing Youtube and seeing some of the videos people across the World, especially in China, are posting. Wow, who would have thought that when the World ends, it would be documented in video.
(No I know the World isn’t going to end over this, we will survive as a species and continue)
I had the thought, we are developing a very good network of communication on this forum to keep up to date on developments. Lots of new people arriving and posting for the first time.
I had a request for everyone, could you start mentioning where you are located when posting about things happening in your area? Like I did at the beginning of this post. I thought this might put some context to your comments.
Within the bounds of your privacy of course.

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St Louis, MO - Welcome April to the community. If you don’t mind can you give us some sense of where you are and what the management of facility you nurse at is telling the staff about this crisis?
I have a friend at a nearby large hospital who is talking the line that the flu is worst.

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https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-02-06/reporters-notebook-we-interview-front-line-coronavirus-doctor-101512020.html
If you have trouble viewing try in reader mode - the text is there.

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First coronavirus case reported in Africa:
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/what-is-coronavirus-latest-updates-first-case-reported-in-africa/
Johns Hopkins nCoV GIS map does not include 1 confirmed case in Africa. Are they missing other cases, and if so, where is the weak reporting link?
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Another good source of information, FluTrackers volunteer forum, unfortunately does not yet include Africa: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus

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St Louis, MO - A question to the community.
Like everyone I’ve been reading way too much news and comments, but the argument over hand sanitizers came up in a FB group.
The FDA warned the makers of Purell hand sanitizer to stop some of their marketing claims just before this crisis began. Purell made claims that their hand sanitizer killed flu viruses and the FDA said they didn’t have the research to back that up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/health/purell-fda-ebola-virus.html?
Per the article: According to the agency’s warning letter, one company passage said: “Are Purell hand sanitizer products effective against the flu? The F.D.A. does not allow hand sanitizer brands to make viral claims, but from a scientific perspective, influenza is an enveloped virus. Enveloped viruses in general are easily killed or inactivated by alcohol. The World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are recommending the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizer as a preventive measure for flu prevention.”

The C.D.C.’s current advice on its website says that washing hands with soap and water is the best way to reduce the spread of germs in most situations. If soap and water are not readily available, the agency recommends using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60 percent alcohol.

Gojo’s website states that its hand sanitizers are 70 percent ethyl alcohol."

In a different article which I can not find, the claim was that alcohol takes several minutes to kill a virus, IIRC as much as a half an hour. BUT the chemical disinfectant in wipes kills it very quickly. The container of wipes in my house lists two chemicals, Dimethyl Benzyl Ammonium Chloride and Ethylbenzyl Ammonium Chloride as active ingredients. Given the difference is kill times, would it make more sense to carry a container of hand wipes to disinfect your hands and surfaces, than to carry a bottle of hand sanitizer?
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In an age of complete mass delusion, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act. That’s the issue here. Those of us (like myself) who dont have much money to spend anymore on media nevertheless need to encourage truth tellers by buying membership in PP to the extent we can.
In this context, I note that when the printing press invention came out the elite tried to stamp out truth by forcing the licensing of printers. An analogous revolution with the internet has occurred. Eventually we individually may need to establish direct connections outside the purview and control of the elite who really do control the internet in myriad ways. There are interesting ways to communicate peer to peer but that require practical technical knowledge… It will be interesting to see if the PP group evolves communications in this direction in response to the growing fascism (merger of corporate and state power to benefit the elite). A next pivotal step will be more direct interference by banishing CM from controlled media…

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Acclaimed scientist and “virus hunter” is interviewed from China. Chinese officials requested his help and he said sure! He thinks when the dust settles we are undercounting Ncov cases but maybe overestimating mortality due to mild cases not reported.
No BS…This guy is the real deal subject matter expert (he helped with SARS outbreak , and got it as a result!) I like his approach - “I’m a scientist and want to help humanity”.
30 minutes long but definitely worth watching IMO!
https://youtu.be/Mgl508syq3M

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The USPS sent my local postmaster large spray bottles of the organic ammonium chloride solutions. To wipe down surfaces. I will carry gloves and wipes in the vehicle.

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Ironically, I present this excerpt from Wikipedia:
”The Ministry of Truth (Newspeak: Minitrue) is the ministry of propaganda. As with the other ministries in the novel, the name Ministry of Truth is a misnomer because in reality it serves the opposite: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. However, like the other ministries, the name is also apt because it decides what “truth” is in Oceania.
As well as administering truth, the ministry spreads a new language amongst the populace called Newspeak, in which, for example, “truth” is understood to mean statements like 2 + 2 = 5 when the situation warrants. In keeping with the concept of doublethink, the ministry is thus aptly named in that it creates/manufactures “truth” in the Newspeak sense of the word. The book describes the doctoring of historical records to show a government-approved version of events.”
How Orwellian of Wikipedia!

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Tomorrow, a good friend of mine arrives back in Albany, NY, my hometown after several months in Bali. His airline connection is in the Philippines. We have plans to go to a large social gathering a couple of hours east of us on Friday evening with friends and activities we deeply cherish. I’m torn between the pull of this event and the small, but nonzero risk he is carrying the disease. I welcome helpful thoughts, questions and opinions. What would you do and why?

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I had some other ideas how to model numbers to get a real intersections of modeling from both directions. I am not sure how I would want to do this, though I have a few ideas. I am planning on working a model soon. But, something more simple for thought, the flu has a hospitalization rate of about 1% infected. And a death rate of about 1/10th of that. So, this coronavirus is not hard to compare to the flu in this regard.
Todays numbers, 28,276 infected(confirmed ), 565 deaths confirmed. These are numbers easily grasped but it still doesnt give an accurate picture. 2 % would be the given - and this is about 20 times as deadly as flu. But we could have way way more sick changing those numbers. so, I am going to use a number other than the above - that gives something more important to work from. of those current numbers , 3,863 are critical. ( not hospitalized, but critical ) If this was flu we would be working from this number X (.01) hospitalized = X(.001) dead. The we are going to make an assumption ( I know its a big leap but stay with me ) the average death rate for ICU patients from all causes is 52%. So lets assume that half ICU patients never leave the hospital alive. With this assumption critical flu patients is 2X(.001) So if we now use X as infected confirmed ( lets say this equals only those who are hospitalized , as in the flu) 28,276=x(.01), then dead would equal 287. This is quite conservative, the death rate for the flu could be as low as half this number realistically. But this would indicate a critical care equal to 575 where the infected would be estimated at 280k or so. The problem I am having, even suggesting all the confirmed cases sought hospital care, the critical care number of 3863 is far out side the line of agreement with the flu - either more than 2.8 mllion people are infected or this is way more lethal than the flu. infact that critical number has increased 1100 in one day where the confirmed cases increased 4k. I expect this critical number to explode as we go exponentially towards infections that are not counted. I think you could do some additional modeling working backwards here from normal flu mortality counts … and see this is not even close to agreement. and this is either way more lethal . or way more infectious. my guess is both. I am going to have to chart this out to make more sense of it as a comparison how you would back chart the flu. We don’t need all the info, we just need to compare the given to the flu model. My point is more simple. With the flu, you would expect an infection rate 250,00 , hospitalization rate of 2500 and 250 and critical rate of 500. we have a death rate of 600 , infection rate of 28,276 and critical rate of 3870. This does not resemble the flu in any model. anyone with input would be helpful. My point is if you look at only that 2% death rate, with an arbitrary infection rate, you are not making anything usable. That is where we are getting hoodwinked.

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Feb 06, 2020 07:40 AM

Reporter’s Notebook: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

A front-line coronavirus doctor tells of life in death in the ICU. Photo: Xiao Hui/Caixin
(Wuhan)--In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors. In an interview Tuesday with Caixin, Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures. As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week some cases would take a turn for the worse. In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention [such as ventilator support and ECMO]. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4% -5%. The doctors and nurses at his hospital are overwhelmed with patients. Once they don protective hazmat suits, they go without food, drink and bathroom breaks for their entire shifts. That’s because there’s aren’t enough of the suits for a mid-shift change, he said. Over the past month on the front lines of the coronavirus battle, Peng has been brought to tears many times when forced to turn away patients for lack of staffing and beds. Screening criteria were too tough in the beginning Caixin: When did you encounter your first novel coronavirus patient? Peng Zhiyong: Jan. 6, 2020. There was a patient from Huanggang who had been refused by multiple hospitals, who was sent to the South Central Hospital emergency room. I attended the consultation. At the time, the patient’s illness was already severe, and he had difficulty breathing. I knew right then that he contracted this disease. We debated at length whether to accept the patient. If we didn’t, he had nowhere to go; if we did, there was a high likelihood the disease would infect others. We had to do a very stringent quarantine. We decided to take the patient in the end. I called the hospital director and told him the story, including the fact that we had to clear the hospital room of other patients and to remodel it after SARS standards by setting up a “contamination area,” “buffer area,” “cleaning area,” and separate the living areas of the hospital staff from the patients’. On Jan. 6, with the patient in the emergency room, we did quarantine remodeling in the emergency room and did major renovations to the ICU (intensive care unit). South Central Hospital’s ICU has 66 beds in total. We kept a space dedicated to coronavirus patients. I knew the infectiousness of the disease. There were bound to be more people coming in, so we set aside 16 beds. We did quarantine renovations on the infectious diseases area because respiratory illnesses are transmitted through the air, so even air has to be quarantined so that inside the rooms the air can’t escape. At the time, some said that the ICU had a limited number of beds and 16 was excessive. I said it wasn’t excessive at all. Caixin: You predicted back in January that there would be person-to-person transmission and even took quarantine measures. Did you report the situation to higher-ups? Peng: This disease really did spread very fast. By Jan. 10, the 16 beds in our ICU were full. We saw how dire the situation was and told the hospital’s leadership that they had to report even higher. Our head felt it was urgent too and reported this to the Wuhan city health committee. On Jan. 12, the department sent a team of three specialists to South Central to investigate. The specialists said that clinical symptoms really resembled SARS, but they were still talking about diagnosis criteria, that kind of stuff. We replied that those standards were too stringent. Very few people would get diagnosed based on those criteria. The head of our hospital told them this multiple times during this period. I know other hospitals were doing the same. Before this, the specialists already went to Jinyintan Hospital to investigate and made a set of diagnosis criteria. You had to have had exposure to the South China Seafood Market, you needed to have had a fever and test positive for the virus. You had to meet all three criteria in order to be diagnosed. The third one was especially stringent. In reality, very few people were able to test for a virus. On Jan. 18, the high-level specialists from the National Health Commission came to Wuhan, to South Central Hospital to inspect. I told them again that the criteria were too high. This way it was easy to miss infections. I told them this was infectious; if you made the criteria too high and let patients go, you’re putting society in danger. After the second national team of specialists came, the criteria were changed. The number of diagnosed patients rose quickly.
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Caixin: What made you believe that the new coronavirus could be transmitted between people?Peng: Based on my clinical experience and knowledge, I believed that the disease would be an acutely infectious disease and that we had to do high-level protection. The virus isn’t going to change based on man’s will. I felt we needed to respect it and act according to science. Under my requirements, South Central Hospital’s ICU took strict quarantine measures, and as a result, our department only had two infections. As of Jan. 28, of the entire hospital’s medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff. It pains us to see the coronavirus develop to such a desperate state. But the priority now is to treat people; do everything we can to save people. Fatality rate for acute patients is 4%-5%; 3 weeks determine life and death Caixin: Based on your clinical experience, what’s the disease progression of the new coronavirus? Peng: A lot of viruses will die off on their own after a certain amount of time. We call these self-limited diseases. I’ve observed that the breakout period of the novel coronavirus tends to be three weeks, from the onset of symptoms to developing difficulties breathing. Basically going from mild to severe symptoms takes about a week. There are all sorts of mild symptoms: feebleness, shortness of breath, some people have fevers, some don’t. Based on studies of our 138 cases, the most common symptoms in the first stage are fever (98.6% of cases), feebleness (69.6%), cough (59.4%), muscle pains (34.8%), difficulties breathing (31.2%), while less common symptoms include headaches, dizziness, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting. But some patients who enter the second week will suddenly get worse. At this stage, people should go to the hospital. Elderly with underlying conditions may develop complications; some may need machine-assisted respiration. When the body’s other organs start to fail, that’s when it becomes severe, while those with strong immune systems see their symptoms decrease in severity at this stage and gradually recover. So the second week is what determines whether the illness becomes critical. The third week determines whether critical illness leads to death. Some in critical condition who receive treatment can raise their lymphocyte [count], a type of white blood cell, and see an improvement in their immune systems, and have been brought back, so to speak. But those whose lymphocyte numbers continue to decline, those whose immune systems are destroyed in the end, experience multiple organ failure and die. [Summary: Prolonged low lymphocyte counts in the 3rd week of illness predict death.] For most, the illness is over in two weeks, whereas for those for whom the illness becomes severe, if they can survive three weeks they’re good. Those that can’t will die in three weeks.
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Caixin: Will you please give more details on clinical research? What percentage of cases would develop from mild conditions to severe conditions? What percentage of serious cases would develop into life-threatening cases? What is the mortality rate?Peng: Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases. As of Jan. 28, of 138 cases, 36 were in the ICU, 28 recovered, five died. That is to say, the mortality rate of patients with severe conditions was 3.6%. Yesterday (Feb. 3), another patient died, bringing the mortality rate to 4.3%. Given patients in the ICU, it is likely to have more deaths. The mortality rate is also likely to edge up but not significantly. Those hospitalized tend to have severe or life-threatening conditions. Patients with slight symptoms are placed in quarantine at home. We have not gathered data on the percentage of cases that progress from slight symptoms to serious symptoms. If a patient goes from serious conditions to life-threatening conditions, the patient will be sent to the ICU. Among 138 patients, 36 were transferred to the ICU, representing 26% of all patients. The percentage of deaths among life-threatening cases is about 15%. The mean period to go from slight conditions to life-threatening conditions is about 10 days. Twenty-eight patients recovered and were discharged. Right now, the recovery rate is 20.3% while other patients remain hospitalized. It is notable that 12 cases were linked to South China Seafood Market; 57 were infected while being hospitalized, including 17 patients already hospitalized in other departments; and 40 medical staff, among 138 cases (as of Jan. 28). That demonstrates that a hospital is a high-risk zone and appropriate protection must be taken. Caixin: What is the highest risk a serious patient faces? Peng: The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient’s immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system. Caixin: [Some patients did not appear too sick] but they died suddenly. Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. ... Peng: Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage. Caixin: How do you treat serious and life-threatening cases? Peng: For serious and life-threatening cases, our main approach is to provide oxygen, high-volume oxygen. At first noninvasive machine-pumped oxygen, followed by intubated [with a ventilator] oxygen if conditions worsen. For life-threatening cases, we use ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or pumping the patient’s blood through an artificial lung machine). In four cases, we applied ECMO to rescue patients from the verge of death. Currently there are no special drugs for the coronavirus. The primary purpose of the ICU is to help patients sustain the functions of their body. Different patients have different symptoms. In case of shortness of breath, we provided oxygen; in case of a kidney failure, we gave dialysis; in case of a coma, we deployed ECMO. We provide support wherever a patient needs it to sustain their life. Once the count of lymphocytes goes up and the immune system improves, the virus will be cleared. However, if the count of lymphocytes continues to fall, it is dangerous because the virus continues to replicate. Once a patient’s immune system is demolished, it is hard to save a patient. [Very important negative prognostic sign: failure of the low lymphocyte count to recover.] Caixin: There is news of some drugs that work. People are hopeful of the effect of U.S.-made remdesivir, which cured the first case in the United States. What do you think of the drugs? Peng: There are not 2019 novel coronavirus-targeted drugs so far. Some patients may recover after taking some drugs along with supportive treatment. But such individual cases do not indicate the universal effect of the drugs. The effect is also related to how serious each case is and their individual health conditions. People want a cure urgently, and that is understandable. But we need to be cautious. Caixin: Do you have any advice for coronavirus-infected patients? Peng: The most effective approach to the virus epidemic is to control the source of the virus, stem the spread of the virus and prevent human-to-human transmission. My advice for a patient is going to a special ward for infectious diseases, early detection, early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment. Once it has developed into a severe case, hospitalization is a must. It is better to contain the disease at an early stage. Once it reaches the life-threatening stage, it is way more difficult to treat it and requires more medical resources. With regard to life-threatening cases, try to save them with ICU measures to reduce the mortality rate..... Caixin: What are your work load and pace like? Peng: The work in the ICU is overloaded. There are three patient wards with 66 beds in South Central Hospital, housing 150 patients. Since Jan. 7 when we received the first patient, no one took any leave. We took turns to work in the ICU. Even pregnant medical staff did not take leave. After the epidemic got worse, none of the medical staff ever went home. We rest in a hotel near the hospital or in the hospital. [The medical staff working in the ward would be considered "under quarantine" after their shifts and could not go home. In the segregated ward, we wear level-3 protective gear. One shift is 12 hours for a doctor and eight hours for a nurse. Since protective gear is in a shortage, there is only one set for a medical staff member a day. We refrain from eating or drinking during our shift because the gear is no longer protective once we go to the washroom. The gear is thick, airtight and tough on our body. It felt uncomfortable at the beginning, but we are used to it now. Caixin: Did you experience a very dangerous moment? For example, in case of intubation, what do you do to prevent yourselves from being infected? Peng: It is a new coronavirus. We are not sure of its nature and its path of spread. It is not true if we say we are not afraid. Medical staff members do fear to some extent. But patients need us. When a patient is out of breath and noninvasive oxygen provision fails, we must apply intubation. The procedure is dangerous as the patient may vomit or spit. Medical staff are likely to be exposed to the danger of infection. We strictly require doctors and nurses to apply the highest-level protection. The biggest problem we face now is the shortage of protective gear. The protective stock for ICU staff is running low, although the hospital prioritizes the supply to us.
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Caixin: Is there anything that moved you in particular? Did you cry?Peng: I often cried because so many patients could not be admitted to the hospital. They wailed in front of the hospital. Some patients even knelt down to beg me to accept him into the hospital. But there was nothing I could do since all beds were occupied. I shed tears while I turned them down. I ran out of tears now. ..... The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running “naked” as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses. [No shit buddy!]
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Northern Illinois - Chris and Adam, you are obviously on the right track if the established media are trying to discredit / silence you. PP subscribers think for ourselves, and we will continue to benefit from your hard work. So Thank you for it. Your conclusions are starting to sink in with a few people I work with as they start to ask questions instead of shutting down the conversation. So many people, sadly, don’t have a clue or any imagination of what the facts mean. I can’t fathom living that way. Yes, like you said, it’s like watching a train wreck in slo-mo, but at least we
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can brace for impact. Thanks for helping me figure out what to do next.

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Thanks for that Sandpuppy.

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From the Madison, WI area. A sick traveler from China has brought the disease here.
As some of you may remember, I’ve been worried about Wuhan students allowed to return to the small college near my infirm father. However, just today I’ve learned I could be next door to a confirmed case, but they’re only monitoring/notifying “close contacts”. They are also monitoring only those returning after the CDC required Feb 2 date. This person was apparently sick ON a plane that arrived Jan 30.
https://www.channel3000.com/we-are-ready-for-this-area-leaders-public-health-officials-respond-to-confirmed-coronavirus-case-in-dane-county/
WI has tested 10 with 7 negative, 1 confirmed and 2 pending, including a sick student at a Milwaukee school. The health services say they have been planning for the outbreak for a month, but won’t isolate non-symptomatic travelers from China because that would be racist. Masks were bought out between the midday announcement and the evening news. Glad I already picked up a few and split them between here and dad’s.
You don’t need to live in a big city with lots of international travel to have this stuff show up next door. If you haven’t made the basic preparation of food, anti-bacterial cleansers/wipes, gloves, etc. do it now. Also identify the best nearby emergency room (not necessarily the local level 1 trauma center which will be overcrowded with critical cases, including flu and other respiratory viruses).
The WI health agencies seem to prefer quarantine at home if an ICU is not needed, and they will support the patient with needed supplies. Of course, eventually support capacity will run out, but for now, except for refusing to quarantine China travelers a month ago, local authorities here seem to be doing sensible things.