The Zelenko vid was taken down by Youtube.
I guess they didn’t like him telling the truth about crimes against humanity
For your lucid, informative, truthful, and factual posts regarding the Ford study. I’m sure most at PP have been sharing this information and similar thoughts far and wide. The other thing that struck me odd about the study was ““Currently, the drug should be used only in hospitalized patients with appropriate monitoring, and as part of study protocols, in accordance with all relevant federal regulations,” Dr. Zervos said.”
We’ve got a treatment that saves lives and people want to continue playing games. HCQ has been used safely for 70 years. Bring on the zinc. I no doubt have taken the red pill and at a 4.5
There is a class of seniors that either live alone in a single dwelling or with their spouse that have few visitors. These folks are significantly isolated.
We live in a retirement town with many, many seniors, both living alone and in assisted living communities. When I discovered the consequences of C19 on PP I was in shock about the possibilities of how decimated our town may become. So far the effects are hard to direct, and I think it is in part because the seniors are effectively isolating. In the initial stage we were put into lock down by the State Governor and an arrogance grew that we were exceptional, so the lock down was lifted. Now we are a national hot spot in the boom stage of cluster, cluster boom.
They are just trying to survive. Quality of life is not their concern right now. They are living perhaps the last days of their lives in deep terror. These are people that grew up in the 50s and had ideal lives. It is very difficult for them to see what is happening to us.
C. Stone
The full Highwire episode with the Zelenko interview is still on Youtube for now.
HCQ segment starts at 38:27 and Zelenko at 41:39.
https://youtu.be/RzqcN6ybfkE
Highwire videos are also posted at their web site: www.thehighwire.com
I got up this morning frustrated and angry thinking “Why won’t people wake up?” …There is the PP world which is becoming an echo chamber…90% of us know HCQ+Zinc is the crux of the solution to Covid. We know it will reduce death, allow people to resume normal activities, and start to heal this country. But how do I reach people outside this informed group?
I am giving factual info to people who will listen to me, but even “intelligent” people don’t grasp the power of this protocol. My next move is to make an appointment with my family doctor and pay him for an office visit so I can plead my case…In turn, I will listen to him and see if he has a valid counter argument against HCQ.
What else can a person do to get the word out and stop the needless suffering?
Your comments suggest you meant to reply to Post 53, but absolutely - I agree about the seniors. My mother is one of those you describe, who lives alone and has self-isolated, although she doesn’t seem to be living in terror. I also have relatives in seniors’ homes, where the protocols have changed dramatically in order to protect the residents. But they all view these changes as being temporary, and in many cases can still find joy in life such as it is. They spend more time connecting with others on the phone - and a ‘social distancing’ visit with the grandchildren on the back deck is always a highlight. Quality of life is a relative term, and my impression is that a lot of us are appreciating the simpler things in life now. With respect to the elderly, my view is that it’s best for them to avoid the news on the television and to spend time outdoors in the fresh air if possible.
Hopefully the elderly in your community will survive these difficult times.
How can we account for the war against HCQ? The attacks upon this drug are so extreme that they can only be accounted for by a deeply held ideology on the part of research groups and the organizations that publish their results.
Elements of that ideology apparently include:
1- Internalization of the health care for profit value system.
2- Belief that only drugs that have received FDA approval and granted patent exclusivity which allows them to be sold at any price the market will bear are worthwhile.
3- Belief that anything mentioned by our Orange President is evil and must be eradicated by all means available.
4- A personal value system that produces results according the source of one’s paycheck.
I’ve looked at many of the studies that conclude that HCQ is ineffective or dangerous from the standpoint of someone educated in statistical analysis rather than virology. It is immediately obvious that they are studies designed to fail rather than provide an objective analysis. Their “Science” is as fraudulent as bloodletting with leeches.
Let me start my answer by recounting what I wrote on April 4, at the beginning of our epic, crowd-sourced “hydroxychloroquine vs. the deep state” thread containing over 400 posts;
There are two things I want to illustrate through this thread; 1) Hydroxychloroquine, aka HCQ, if used in the proper treatment regime along with Zinc supplement + Zithromax, and if used as early as possible in the course of Covid-19 infection for at risk individuals, is an absolute game changer in terms of the outcome, specifically keeping almost all victims, even those very much at risk, from needing hospitalization at all. 2) There are forces at work attempting to make you afraid of this drug by exaggerating the dangers, using the need for gold-std randomized, placebo controlled studies as a cudgel to keep the vast majority of people in the country in the dark – to keep them from rising up and demanding that all efforts be made to manufacture and acquire enough of this drug quickly. These political forces are attempting to hamstring success of drug outcomes by only allowing this to be used late in the disease course, for patients already on ventilators. Every day we don’t cry out for HCQ is another day of rising deaths on a ventilator.. another day closer to devastation. This is apotential learning moment for all… if you understand the efficacy profile of HQC, and yet you see folks like Dr. Fauci brushing it off, you will likely experience some degree of cognitive dissonance. What’s going on you might say? Welcome to the Twilight Zone.The science is entirely clear.. I refuse to even use the word believe when it comes to the question of whether hydroxychloroquine works.. it works. The difficulty is that many, many good people are literally brainwashed. Smart, idealistic people like my friend Zeev in NY are so brainwashed that they will not budge off their position until you present them with a randomized, placebo-controlled study on hydroxychloroquine. I tell Zeev about Zelenko, and he mouths the NYT line, "he's just a country doctor". The matrix gives people like Zeev all the ammunition they need to, in their minds, counter your conspiratorial arguments. So at the end of the day this is not just a science debate... for many people it ends up being a red pill/blue pill question.. and that is a much bigger, and more complex deal. I think the best thing to do is to print out, or send an email, containing a variety of papers, and especially the Harvey Risch (MD, PdD) Yale article supporting early use of HCQ. We have Zelenko now, so that must be part of any red pilling package. The Meryl Nass blog post which brilliantly summarizes all of the efforts to hamstring HCQ is something I wanted to write before she did it much better than I could have. Our friends and neighbors are literally in a cult.. and CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WAPO are their cult leaders. There is no easy answer until and unless the cult leaders are exposed.
Depending on where you live your doctor may be being silenced. He may be fully aware and agree but the politicians (who likely want to continue to tank the economy) will take his license and ability to feed his family if he supports HCQ. Heck, they might even send out CPS like they did with the salon owner.
The vilification of HCQ by the WHO on a lab made virus is very telling.
I struggle with this also OOG. My own daughters (one of whom is a nurse) and nephew believe that my advocacy for HCQ is both misguided and that I have been possessed by a cult mind (cult mind = a fixed erroneous belief system held by a tightly knit group of people and which is a price of belonging to that group).
Unfortunately, if infected, my daughters may not take the HCQ I have provided, and run a higher risk of death because of this. But they have the right to their own viewpoints. So I feel sadness, fearfulness at times, personally misunderstood and disrespected.
I only occasionally speak my understanding, quietly, and offer reference links. “I have two basic science research papers that show HCQ inhibits SC2 infection in cell cultures. If you are interested enough I can send you the links?”
The problem is classic among those with a new paradigm of understanding.
Paraphrasing quite a bit:
“Listen! A gardener went out to sow. And as he broadcast seeds, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. [Simple suggestions of "opinion leaders" were enough to destroy the new ideas.] Other seed fell on rocky ground [firmly fixed contrary beliefs], where [the new viewpoint was considered, but could not disrupt the old frame sufficiently to take root.] They did not have much soil, and immediately it sprang up, since it had no depth of soil. And when the sun rose, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away. Other seed fell among thorns [of greed power and profit --Big Pharm, Big Medicine, Big Media, Big Politics], and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain. And other seeds fell into good soil and produced grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.” And he said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”And remember the backfire effect: the more energy we put into destroying a person's belief system the more they will fight to sustain it. Very quiet hints and pointers are more effective than passionate, devastating attacks!
“Half A Million Dead. And Rising”
Most COVID deaths involved comorbitities, often multiple comorbitities.
The correct characterization is “COVID was a contributing cause in half a million deaths worldwide”.
The economy was shut down.
Millions of small businesses were ruined.
Government spent trillions of dollars.
All in response to 100 thousand+ deaths where COVID was a contributing factor.
Each year 500,000 people die of cancer in the US.
How many dollars does government spend on cancer research?
@socaljoe…Let’s at least compare apples to apples. We haven’t even had a year of spread in the USA yet, we have gone through shut-down and look at the numbers already. Can you imagine the cases (and deaths) after having spread a full year in a fully open society?
The CDC pinpointed the 1st COVID case in the USA when a traveler entered the Seattle airport on January 15. That single case is the beginning of just one seed. These cancer numbers are fully developed after years of experience.
Let’s all just wear masks.
I watched it last night and it was taken down today!
Yep, I noticed the same thing. Perhaps they are treading carefully and hedging their language given the reception HCQ has gotten in the press and from the powers that be.
Exactly
Hi Island Girl, the guy is Robert Baric or Ralf Baric???
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/controversial-virus-research-seen-both-as-groundbreaking-reckless/19098107/
It is not Robert Baric. It is Ralph Baric
I was mistaken with the name. I wrote my post in a stunned state. My apologies. It is Ralph S Baric, UNC.
Contact Report 742 says “whereby no so-called “herd immunity” is to be expected.”
At the beginning of the infection the virus multiplies in the mouth and nasopharynx and if a smear is made of it and an examination is made in the laboratory by looking for the genetic material of the virus in the sample and this is determined, then there will be a reliable result, because such a test usually shows a high accuracy with regard to the new corona virus. Antibody tests are also necessary in order to be able to prove whether a person has already been infected by the corona disease or not, as well as whether or not a person has developed a certain immunity to the virus, which, depending on the case, can be either short-term or long-term, whereby no so-called herd immunity is to be expected. Even the detection of an antibody does not mean a definitive cure or immunity, because the antibodies of this virus can quickly decrease, weaken and possibly completely dissolve again.Study - Disappearance of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in a Covid-19 patient after recovery:
A newly identified severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is the etiologic agent of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) across the world. An understanding of the antibody responses to the viral components is very important for diagnosis and vaccine development. We herein estimated the longevity of specific antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, and reported antibodies disappeared in a moderate COVID-19 patient within 3 months after the onset of the symptoms.The pre-proof for the article is here. Case study by Prof. Dr. Martin Scholz (with email) for Sars-Cov-2 treatment of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. Dr. Zelenko’s treatment regimen Dr Zelenko's interview by Rudy Giuliani is here. Starting at the 22:21 mark , Dr. Zelenko suggests everyone get (infected) to develop "herd immunity". At the 23:42 mark, Dr. Zelenko states:
... because we can't hide in our appartments/houses forever. The only way to become immune to this virus is to get it and overcome it. Now most people will do that with no problems. There is a subset of patients that will have trouble, We need to have that medication available in every pharmacy and every doctor in this country has to be taught and reassured that they can use this medication without retribution.Dr. Zelenko needs to be alerted to the Plajaren assertion:
... no so-called herd immunity is to be expected. Even the detection of an antibody does not mean a definitive cure or immunity, because the antibodies of this virus can quickly decrease, weaken and possibly completely dissolve again.Contact Report 739 describes symptoms and complications in detail. At the 26:44 mark, Dr. Zelenko recommends taking his treatment regimen as a prophylaxis indefinitely, once a week, until an effective vaccine becomes available. At the 27:34 mark, Dr. Zelenko suggests those with no co-morbidities (the young):
... see probably no.... I wouldn't recommend it (his treatment regimen) because I want them to get it and overcome it and then become essentially protected from it.On the closure of schools at the 27:51 mark:
... initially they probably should have been closed, because we didn't know much about the virus, ... I would handle initially the same way, but then as information became available, I would have made adjustments very quickly... so once we learned how effective the treatment is, it would have made sense to re-open the world much quicker.As per Contact Report 739, children, as asymptomatic spreaders of the virus infection, are also susceptible to symptoms and complications that can be fatal.