Finance U: China Has a Winning Hand While US Consumers Are Tapping Out

Originally published at: https://peakprosperity.com/finance-u-china-has-a-winning-hand-while-us-consumers-are-tapping-out/

In today’s deep dive with Paul Kiker from Kiker Wealth Management. We discussed the ongoing trade tensions with China, which are far from resolved, and the surprising weakness in recent ADP job numbers. Despite these issues, the markets continue to climb, but there’s a growing skepticism among people I talk to about the sustainability of this market behavior.

After all, China is a big part of the US economy (like it or not), and these charts of ultra-depressed Chinese shipping traffic are decidedly not positive:

Paul sees the markets as being driven by technical flows rather than fundamental economic news. Passive investing, options markets, and liquidity are pushing prices in ways that don’t necessarily reflect the underlying economic conditions. There’s a lot of optimism, but beneath the surface, things have changed significantly since the financial crisis, yet habituated retail investors are still buying in heavily.

We also touched on the AI boom, with companies like Nvidia potentially tapping into a trillion-dollar market for data centers. However, I’m skeptical about the real economic value and return on investment for such massive expenditures in technology infrastructure.

The conversation shifted to government spending, where even Elon Musk has expressed his dismay over the recent spending bill, calling it an abomination. He’s continuing his pressure campaign.

Despite this, or perhaps because of this (due to the additive-to-GDP effect of both government deficit spending and declines in imports), we’re expecting a robust GDP report due to less import subtraction, but this might not reflect true economic health.

We delved into the trade dynamics with China, noting a significant drop in shipping volumes, suggesting that the trade war isn’t over. This could impact our economy negatively in the long run, even if short-term GDP looks good.

Lastly, we discussed the broader implications of these economic trends, including the potential for inflation, the role of government regulations, and the importance of being prepared for economic shifts. The markets might be ignoring these risks, but as investors, we need to stay vigilant and adapt our strategies to protect our financial well-being. Remember, the key is to focus on the return of your capital, not just the return on your capital. Until next time, stay resilient and trade safe.

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Wait a minute…they can buy that Australian beef in China for $7?! I can’t buy that Australian beef in Australia for $7…

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I got nasty gut feeling in west we taxpayer subsidize(everyone has plentiful agri subs farmers live like kings) good quality food production, then food chains buy cheapest crap from brazil or whereever they get away with, pocket that difference and farmer again can sell to china or who pays best, pocketing again that difference, when regular citizen pays doubly, at grocery store and taxes.

Some farmers quit, but those who dont, sell to highest bidder.
Feels ‘ick’ as youth say, to see this in action.

Our societal model is fundamentally broken.
BTW I get vibe in discussions of this problem here that more free market is suggested to farmers so they could earn more, which sounds like exactly same as lefties want to pour money to every problem. When in the end farmer or business lobbies for both more subsidies, tax breaks and even free-er market (de-regulation?), we have big problem.

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I know, right??

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Growing our way out of debt, by issuing more debt, translates simply as de-valuation of the currency.

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The United States has priced itself out of the market – the world market. It is cheaper to buy everything abroad than to make it, or grow it, here in the United States. This is true across the board, except for reality.

The only reason China (or anybody else in the world) buys American farm goods (corn or soy beans), or cattle, is as a sympathy play to those poor Americans whose economy is too expensive to even support Americans. Eventually it’s goodbye to American Farmers and Cowboys.

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Today, after a brief rush to the exits, the US 10-year bond market participants formed an orderly line and headed out the door in a quite civil manner:

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Trump’s call for lower interest rates are not realistic then.

More data:

https://x.com/ISABELNET_SA/status/1931271956021612856

Let’s check in on that dollar:

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1931315042600837516

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I can’t buy it for that price here in the US either.
I do often buy Australian (Silver Fern) beef. It’s generally good quality and the price is competitive. When it goes on sale, I buy it.

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Some of the videos that were shown seems to be CCP propaganda, in particular the one in the Chinese supermarket. It’s also funny bringing up that they can just buy Australian beef now given a few years ago they banned it over politics as well. Nothing coming out of China or about China should be taken at face value.

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https://x.com/laowhy86

Here are my two favourite experts on everything China, highly recommend checking them out. I actually learned about Peak Prosperity from them recommending it years ago.

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Hey, Chris! At about 1:20:00 you said about nuclear plant construction in the US, “2 big ones in Georgia. I dont know if theyre ever going to get finished.” You are right about delays and cost overruns but Vogtle 3 has been in commercial operation since July 2023 and Vogtle 4 since April 2024.

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