it’s more of a jam up than a jelly tight
I think they “released 500,000”
but that’s into a system that uses 20 million a day?
dcm wrote:
it's more of a jam up than a jelly tight
I think they "released 500,000"
but that's into a system that uses 20 million a day?
https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/08/f36/Hurricane%20Harvey%20Eve…
"Six refineries had begun the process of restarting, which may take a several days or weeks...depending whether they have been damaged"
(and the train tracks are in a bit of a mess)
Here’s more info on the chemical plant in Crosby. There were two explosions this morning but it appears that 6 more trailers could explode. This is from the Arkema statement updated at 12 EST today.
http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/social-responsibility/incident-page-2/
On Monday, temperature sensitive products were transferred into 8 diesel-powered refrigerated containers where they currently reside. We evacuated the ride-out crew on Tuesday for their safety. As of today, most of the refrigeration units have failed due to flooding. The site itself is now completely flooded and inaccessible except by boat. In conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security and the State of Texas, Arkema has set up a command post in an off-site location near the plant. Arkema and governmental authorities are monitoring this closely. It will take time for the low-temperature product to degrade, ignite, burn, and disperse. DHS reports indicate that the water around Crosby will crest in the about 5 to 7 days. Unfortunately, until the water recedes, Arkema and governmental authorities have concluded that there are no further actions at the site that can be taken safely.
The most likely outcome is that, anytime between now and the next few days, the low-temperature peroxide in unrefrigerated trailers will degrade and catch fire.
Buffoons. Both parties - all levels. Just wait till “The Rock” is running against Ted Nugent in 2020! This is what collapse looks like.
Rector
Rector wrote:
Buffoons. Both parties - all levels. Just wait till "The Rock" is running against Ted Nugent in 2020! This is what collapse looks like.
Rector
TX has captured a lot of my local attention, but the other floods are far worse in scope and scale of human impact and misery.
I don’t even know how to make sense of numbers that large, or floods that have to mapped on a globe or shot from a satellite to fit them all into a single picture.
Anyone here with the actual expertise to be able to comment on whether the movement of this storm, or others, can be managed by geoengineering? http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-climate-cataclysm-hurrican…
Anyone here with the actual expertise to be able to comment on whether the movement of this storm, or others, can be managed by geoengineering? http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-climate-cataclysm-hurrican…
Bangladesh has water problems coming from everywhere
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-unfolding-tragedy-of…
Looks like Harvey continues to shut down fuel supplies in it’s path.
Colonial Pipeline says it plans to shut down a key line that supplies gasoline to the South due to storm-related refinery shutdowns and Harvey’s effect on its facilities west of Lake Charles, Louisiana. The Georgia-based company said in a statement that it expects to shut off the line Thursday. The company had already closed down another line that transports primarily diesel and aviation fuels. The pipeline provides nearly 40 percent of the South’s gasoline.
http://clarksvillenow.com/local/gas-pipeline-that-fuels-tennessee-to-shut-down-due-to-harvey/
I’d expect the Tennessee shutdowns to be done more carefully, and with a bigger margins of error, since they’ve seen what happened in Houston.
Northern VA, the local stations raised their prices as I was filling up my vehicle and 10/5 gallon fuel tanks with diesel. One station went from $2.49g to $2.64g, and the other went from $2.59g to $2.79g. If you’re wondering, they’re not within eyesite of each other. Gas went up the same %'s.
On a side note: Mt. Weather has had HEAVY auto and helo traffic over the past 72 hours. I’m talking 6-10 helo’s a day (Pentagon/Marine Helo’s) and lines of auto’s to go up the hill in the 200-300 auto’s every morning. Normal is about 20-30.
Cheers!
Happy to report that the Houston family had non-catastrophic damage from the flooding. Though they were trapped on all sides by high water, they were lucky and didn’t have to evacuate. Now they are focused on fixing what needs fixing with Dad (the cop) gone constantly (fighting the looters). We all figured out that if you wait until your home is flooded (or close) you may not be able to evacuate because the roads are flooded. This has been a recurring theme in our many conversations with friends throughout the area. Need a boat or an earlier decision.
Speaking of boats - I found what I wanted but they had all been allocated for part of a big push for boats for use in the flood zone. The only thing available were ski boats at $12K - not exactly what I had in mind for an evacuation option. There had been a run on boats for rescue operations, etc and there was very little left for sale. Additionally, I found out you have to register and license a boat - which takes time - and the system was backed up a bit. When the dust settles, I’ll pick up my 17’ boat that I have paid for. Just goes to show that by the time you figure out what’s in short supply - it doesn’t matter how much money you wave around - you’re not getting what you need.
The fuel “shortage” seems to be building steam. Gas is up .25 per gallon and I have noticed a bit of a pick up in people filling up “just in case”. This is going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy I believe. Thank God our inventory was high before this started.
Interestingly (since I am in the construction business) I started front loading my orders for drywall, shingles, flooring, etc. for projects that I have already started. I am building a medical center and have just discovered that drywall is being allocated as EVERY BUILDING FROM CORPUS TO HOUSTON(!) is going to have to be repaired, wired, painted, etc. Someone knows they will be needing a LOT of drywall in the coming months.
I cannot fathom how many millions of tons of wet carpet, drywall, and insulation will be reinstalled in the coming years. Every worker, roofer, tile setter, etc. has their eyes on Houston. I expect a surge of illegals heading north east to rebuild the entire coast. The magnitude of the task is overwhelming from the perspective of a contractor.
Worse, I suspect there will be substantial impacts to the community banks and insurers who are looking at assets that are now uninhabitable and are of dramatically lower value as collateral. Why would a small business owner keep making payments on an uninsured and destroyed building when it isn’t able to operate for lack of working electricity? There won’t be enough value to underwrite a reconstruction loan and no cash flow to keep the doors open. I see a major federal bailout being required - but it will take so long that job losses will undoubtedly result. Once that starts the payday loans, subprime auto notes, and Netflix memberships will follow. We are a big country with a lot of money - but this is going to hurt.
As Irma spins in the Atlantic - I’m not waiting around to see where she is headed. I’m starting the top off sequence. . .
Thanks for asking and I’ll let you all know if anything interesting happens on our end of the world.
Rector
Logan’s Run? Anyone? Something else coming (something preplannef)?
Yes Chris, you said this disaster is still unfolding…
Resources across a very wide area could be stretched rather thin, depending on where Irma goes next week.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-31/rapidly-intensifying-hurricane-irma-sets-its-sights-us
http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/
This is photoshopped!!!
Look at the reflection of the boat in the water and the dark tower…
or am I missing something? like it is the best time to joke?
At least that’s what the state says.
Station have been running out of gas in Dallas and Austin. Here’s what the officials have to say about the shortages. This is the first time I’ve seen that there are 15 refineries which are affected.
AUSTIN (KXAN) — Gasoline prices in Texas could rise by 35 cents a gallon due to the effects of Hurricane Harvey. But the head of the agency that regulates the oil and gas industry in the state says there is an adequate supply of gasoline to meet the demand. On Thursday, Texas Railroad Commissioner Ryan Sitton said people “have no need to fear shortages.” Sitton says the current issues with gas stations running out of fuel is because people are rushing to gas stations to buy fuel, which is causing a run on gas — basically a vicious cycle. “People are taking their gas cans, their Suburbans down to the gas station,” said Sitton. “Even if we had all of the refineries running, we’d still be having this issue.” Currently, there are 15 petroleum refineries that have been taken down or running at a reduced capacity. That includes the nation’s largest, the Motiva Refinery in Port Arthur. The state agency acknowledged that the biggest problem right now is logistics: getting the gasoline from fuel terminals to service stations due to transportation challenges resulting from Harvey. “Virtually every gas station is refueled by a truck,” explained Sitton. “A truck goes to a distribution terminal, that gets their gas from pipelines. That truck moves on regular intervals.” Sitton gave an example of a gas station that usually sells around 10,000 gallons of gasoline in a week, but when everyone shows up in 24 hours to buy the fuel on hand, it could be several more days before the station gets refueled. Sitton believes this situation will be resolved in the next three to four days. He wants to urge everyone that if you can go a few days without gas, you shouldn’t be worried. Railroad Commission Chair Christi Craddick reemphasized that the state has gasoline. “So, don’t run out and fill up you tank. You’re OK. What we are now seeing is companies as well as the logistics world look at is how you get it from the refinery through the pipes to the truck, to your local gas station.” “We will continue to see a price increase I think for the next several weeks, if not a month or more. Ten cents, to, I’ve seen as much as 35 cents predicted. A lot depends on what happens as soon as we get refineries back up.”source
· Its amazing the information that is available on this site about Hurricane Harvey that is so pertinent to our neighborhood. I hadn’t checked into the site for a few days due to busy with helping some neighbors who were evacuated as well as retrieving my son who had been stranded for 3 days on the other side of Houston (did it by dirt bike which turns out is very useful in an event like this…I could get through areas that some big trucks could not). While at home we had been listening primarily to the local news coverage and they spent a lot of time with all the rescue efforts with some updates on river levels but I had seen no coverage whatsoever about the dam characteristics which Chris went into here. I now know how the folks near the Oroville dam felt…didn’t realize when listening to that podcast it would be applicable in our area in just a few short weeks. My wife’s mother and stepfather had to be evacuate by boat Tuesday because of the Addicks reservoir release…we wondered why they were releasing water (they were never told it was because the dam may break). Certainly nobody I know is aware that the Addicks dams is one of the worse dams in America…that is amazing that we were not aware of that. Meanwhile our house (which is actually located right next to the Sienna subdivision which you mentioned had a mandatory evacuation and which is now largely flooded) has been completely spared due to its height above sea level which is slightly higher than Sienna and some adjoining neighborhoods like nearby Sugar Land & Fort Bend subdivisions which are all affected by the Brazos river flooding and dependent on the levees to protect against flooding (but which are only rated for the 100 yr flood level of 58 ft). They are now calling this an 800 yr flood event. A very useful site (which I only learned of couple days ago) is: https://www.distancesto.com/elevation.php At this site you can enter your home address and it will give your site elevation (not including slab).
· Regarding the comments about looting…I have not seen or heard of any of that. Not sure where that might be occurring but I can assure you it is not at all common. However, Houston took on a lot of the Katrina evacuees after New Orleans flooded and many of them stayed…a number of them were also victims in this flood as well. If anything this event has drawn the community closer together with lots of neighbors helping neighbors (as well as an amazing number of out of town folks who came to help)….it almost seems like we have more people who want to help than who need help.
· A lot of the flooding is a result not only of historic amounts of rainfall but also the amount of housing development that has occurred which reduced the available land for absorbing water…additionally the soil here is mostly clay gumbo which does not absorb water easily. The mayors and city council of Houston and surrounding communities are very pro-development because of the increased property tax base it provides. I am on our homeowners HOA board and we recently had to sue the city (Missouri City) which had previously annexed our neighborhood (in order to gain the additional property tax base) because they were trying to add high density housing directly adjacent to our neighborhood, where it had previously been zoned for low density acreage lots, which would definitely make the flooding problems worse.
One surprising thing is how well the supply chains around here stepped up to the challenge. There were some food shortages immediately before the floods as well as gas shortages as folks hurried to top of tanks but after that the stores restocked (especially the HEB stores and Walmarts too I understand). I was surprised at the number of stores and convenience stores and gas stations which remained open…people did their best to keep things supplied. Power outtages have also been addressed by Centerpoint Energy at a surprisingly quick manner (although my business is still without power due to transformer outtages and we are running on emergency generators).
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That was too funny! Thanks for the laugh.