I have noticed that most people on this thread offer No competing Hypothesis about 911 or wealth extraction or exactly what caused the wars in the middle east. T2H and I seem to be the exception.
This is the scientific method. We make empirical observations about our world. Say the turmoil in Syria and the exodus. And then in the absence of perfect knowledge we use our Left Brains to create a model of what we think is going on. We offer this model to our Right brain for assessment. Does this make intuitive sense?
And then we float this model on the water and let others take potshots at it to see if they can sink it.
Unfortunately the Ego resides in the left brain. It is a red flag to me of an unbalanced mind if it keeps it's model(s) hidden. Some people don't want their precious models destroyed and are happy to stand on the bank throwing stones. How do they know if their model is useful? They don't.
Perhaps if you added pure oxygen the problem is your 'adding air'
A welders torch utilizes a oxygenate and hydrocarbon fuel in a premixed state to create what is known as a premixed flame to achieve it's high temperature. The fuel and oxygen are combined in a stoichiometric mixture and and the stream under constant pressure is ignited as it exits the torch to produce temperatures capable of melting steel max temp for this mixture is about 3000 degrees C
Unlike a torch an open air fire (which is what the WTC fires were) utilizes air rather than pure oxygen which reduces the maximum temperature by two thirds due to the chemical make of air vs. O2 because the fuel air mixture is not controlled and ignition occurs after the fuel air mixture it creates what is known as a diffuse flame. the maximum temp for this type of flame is about 1000 degree vs the 1500 degrees necessary to melt steel
Your supposition that the macro structure of the towers created a blast furnace like structure is not viable. While it is true that the increased air flow from the venturi effect of a rocket stove, like increased air flow from a bellows can elevate temperature (by increasing the rate of combustion through increasing the supply of oxygen into the mix.) your temperature is still limited by the molecular physics of the air fuel combustion.
coincidentally that is why a hot rocket stove will produce little or no smoke, as the increase of oxygen allows more of the fuel to be efficiently burned. It is however still limited as a diffuse flame and is not capable of melting steel.
The smoke from the WTC fires was black which indicates that it was a fuel rich diffuse flame with lots of unburned hydrocarbon residue (soot) the unburned fuel further decreases the temperature from the max 1000 degrees C for this type of diffuse flame as the unburned molecules must also be heated the temperature of the WTC fires can be reasonably estimated at somewhere 600 -700 degrees max
I was just offering a book link on the suspicion that the book may not be available in the future. I am not an expert in Sandy Hook and do not feel that I know what happened there.
But, I personally have a certainty that we are being fed stories. This is really all that I am sure of.
We create our own reality --Dick Cheney
There seem to be two keys to understanding when a story is manufactured:
1. Knowing the over-arching goals, the moral developmental level and methods of the story writers, and
2. Looking for inconsistencies and improbabilities in the details.
Information gathering may go on for several years before certainty emerges.
And everyone is completely free to have their own perspective. And I learn a lot from others here.
The capacity to see the world as it is not a function of the mind but of the heart. We hold in our minds the world that our hearts can fathom. Recent events have revealed the world to be not is many of us have imagined. Scientific analysis has revealed current mainstream narratives as obvious fabrications, but not in all cases, and it seems that we want to have it either one way or another.
We all do need to wake up. But primary manifestation of that waking will not be a list of perpetrators of various crimes, either micro or macro. Its not the awareness of other peoples crimes that are at issue here, but our own. We transform the world by first transforming ourselves and giving other the time and space to do the same.
Edit: I wrote this and then read Mememonkey had already handled this…
Michael, did you ever take chemistry or physics to get your E-degree?
If you did, you seem to have forgotten that chemical bonds, by their very nature, have exothermic maxima that are defined by the bond type itself. Single carbon bonds (to hydrogen or other carbon atoms) have the lowest max combustion temperature, double bonds are higher than that, and the highest of all for carbon is the triple bond which we see in actylene, a.k.a. a "welder's torch."
By suggesting that a welder's torch using the perfect 20% ratio to combine with a pure stream of oxygen in a perfect stoichiometric reaction is somehow equivalent to an office fire, poorly oxygenated, and consisting entirely of carbon single bonds you are either being extremely misleading, or you have forgotten (or not learned) some important information.
Similarly, even with a bellows forcing as much air as possible, a blacksmith furnace does not achieve the temperatures necessary to melt steel. That's why you can find hundreds of images on-line of people using old steel sinks as forges.
To belabor the point, if forced air and pure carbon (coke or coal) are insufficient to melt a sink, good luck getting a shitty office fire to melt major steel columns.
More to the point, what you are suggesting is literally physically impossible - a poorly oxygenated office fire spewing abundant black smoke provides 100% evidence that the necessary temperatures were not achieved to melt steel (smoke formation and temperature are linked). You might as well be arguing that sometimes gravity works in reverse.
So I'll concur with Mememonkey and suggest that instead of offering a credible counter argument, you are displaying a very strong aversion to the evidence at hand.
I readily admit that accepting the level of evil on display around 9/11, and countless other disturbing recent events, is emotionally difficult to accept, but it's really quite necessary if we are to have any hope of seeing things as they really are.
One question: If JPL can melt steel, as you claim, then I have a question about cars…
They use gasoline which can burn at a higher temperature than JPL, and yet, even with the best oxygenation possible using modern fuel injection technology, and even using vastly increased pressure (which raises the temperature of combustion) we somehow don't encounter many engines simply melting down. Here's the question - why not?
In fact engine pistons and blocks never spontaneously melt when operating normally and the reason for that is simple chemistry. Basic, simple chemistry.
Also, did you not see the irony in posting a rocket stove with a metal chimney that - wait for it - was not melting? In my community we use rocket stoves all the time, with steel-metal parts, and they have never melted down, not even when stoked to the max.
Why not? Again the answer is basic, simple chemistry.
Far greater authority to carry out searches without warrants. Expansive power to place suspects under house arrest. Access to computers found in raids.
Following last week’s Paris attacks — and embracing a similar civil liberties crackdown in the United States after 9/11 — French lawmakers signed off Friday on a three-month extension to a national state of emergency.
But lawmakers didn’t just approve an extension to the suspension of civil liberties and the expansion of police power. They also overhauled the 1955 law governing states of emergency, handing the French government extraordinary authority to fight back domestically against extremist threats like the Islamic State, which has claimed responsibility for the rampage that killed 130.
President François Hollande declared the national emergency immediately after the Nov. 13 attacks. It allows police to break down doors and search houses without a warrant, break up assemblies and meetings, and impose curfews. The order also clears the way for military troops to be deployed to French streets. Since then, French security teams have aggressively raided apartments and houses to round up suspects and weaponry.
French authorities haven’t imposed a nationwide state of emergency since 1961, in the depths of the Algerian War, and the measure approved Friday expands an emergency law that was first drafted to empower Paris to put down the Algerian uprising. With the reform in hand, Hollande will spend the next three months with enormous executive power at his disposal.
A tragedy that turned out to be very, very convenient for those already in power. Same as it always was.
I am open to the idea that even if the French security state knew about the attacks beforehand, that they might have simply let them proceed. Or perhaps, like as is often the case with the FBI in the US, one might find that the weapons and encouragement were provided few agents from the French government.
[quote=cmartenson]Hollande will spend the next three months with enormous executive power at his disposal.
A tragedy that turned out to be very, very convenient for those already in power. Same as it always was[/quote]
Three months my @$$.
Power, once concentrated, is rarely ceded voluntarily.
2. Molten Aluminum-Themite Reactions
The idea that molten aluminum-thermite reactions may have been involved in the
collapse of the Twin Towers is not new. It was first proposed by S. Ashley in an October
2001 article published in Scientific American. Ashley noted that the aviation fuel fires in
the Twin Towers burned sufficiently hot to melt and even ignite the airliners' aluminum
airframe structures. Aluminum, could then have added to the conflagrations. Hot molten
aluminum could have seeped down into the floor systems, doing significant damage.
Aluminum melts into burning 'goblet puddles' that would pool around depressions, such
as beam joints, service openings in the floor, stairwells and so forth. The goblets are
white hot, burning at an estimated 1800 degrees Celsius. At this temperature, the water of
hydration in the concrete is vaporized and consumed by the aluminum. This evolves
hydrogen gas that burns. Aluminum burning in concrete produces a calcium oxide/silicate
slag covered by a white aluminum oxide ash, all of which serve to insulate and contain
the aluminum puddle. This keeps the metal hot and burning.
Our present study of the propensity of molten aluminum to react violently with common
structural materials not only supports, but extends the above scenario.
I am curious how the melted aluminum from the planes managed to seep into the core of building 7. perhaps, it traversed the sky bridges and was able to pool uniformly around the support columns wreaking havoc there.
Even if the jet fuel was hot enough, why did the all 3 buildings not fall down more violently?
Maybe I'm wrong, but with all 3 trade center buildings, you could not have asked for a cleaner collapse. From the models, it looks like the plane destroyed all of the central support, but the main structural beams were still intact meaning that the fires would have to be perfectly distributed across those beams for them to break at the same time? It was a best case scenario where it collapse perfectly vertical
Maybe this is not a good example being an earthquake, but with this building you can see that the structural supports are broken at separate times, and the building does not collapse ideally.
