So It's Back To First Principles (Part 1)

It is very good evidence and i think it is good enough to be used in the US law courts. I am not trying to be clever or trying to score points here. 4 shooters from the AGR building, 1 shooter from the trees, and another shooter from the trees [Where the green tractor is]. The first 3 audio shots now worked out the trajectories where the bullitts were fired from, and where to. Whats holding me back, is the next volly of 5 shots, i know where they were fired from, dont have enough trajectory evidence. Not yet anyway. I beleive one of these 5 shots possibly hit the railings, causing shapnul and hitting a number of motor cycle police officers. There is plenty of footage of these motor cycle officers, what i am trying to find is exactly where they were when the shots were fired. Can you help? I am aware of Pearsons footage.

Incredible would certainly be a good word for it, at least from where I’m sitting. Out of curiosity, to try to understand your point of view a little better, could you explain how many shots you think actually occurred (audible or otherwise)? Are you considering the LEO’s that returned fire in your sum of 6 or are we talking about 6 bad actors? Also, in terms of ‘silent’ shots, do you mean actually completely silent, like no noise made whatsoever, or are you talking suppressed?

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I’ve stumbled upon a couple hits on Gianvito:
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^Sgt Gianvito

And I believe this to be him on the right, in uniform, though it’s not explicitly written out, that face is nearly identical!:

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And I think I’ve unraveled the identity of our mystery bodycam! I noticed a few patterns in the filenames of our cams (I have updated my filenames to display wearer name and numbered to align with Vegas’s cam slide, for ease of ID, but the original filename follows):

Now, as far as the timestamp in the filenames, there are some discrepancies, but they are pretty close. From here, I got 1306 as the callsign of our mysery cam, and from there we can match the wearer!:

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@redranamber

I’m going with Sgt. Sasse for BWC2-122097 due to his movements, his conversations, and (for the first time) the back of his head. Any thoughts?

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:upside_down_face: :joy: I think we’ve nailed it as Sasse!

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Yes we did! I didn’t see your post until after I sent mine, but we came to the same conclusion from different approaches. :+1: :+1:

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Totally understandable as I only outdrew you by a minute! :gun: :sunglasses:

Excellent job with the back of head match! As unorthodox as it is, even without matching callsigns this is quite a remarkable match!

And as if this couldn’t get any better, now not only do we have our officer Greg “Desk Pop” Nicol, but the perfect application for the Faceback app!
The Other Guys FaceBack App :rofl:

I will add the Gianvito finds to his detailed ID slide. Can you post a revision to your BWC image with Sasse’s name? I want to add it to the Research Tools. Thanks!

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Too funny! :joy:

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I recall seeing them in a rally goer’s video, I believe sitting near the bottom of the south bleachers if memory serves, but don’t recall which video. If I run across it again I’ll post it.

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The Donald Trump assassination is a lot worse than what people think. The first 3 audio shots were fired from locations 1, 2, and 3. to mislead everyone [to be honest, i fell for it myself] into believing Crooks fired the shots. Multiple silent shots were fired from locations 4, 5 and 6. simultaniously This means multiple shooters 6.

The next volly of five shots, we both know, are audio shots. I am almost certain there were no silent shots fired.

However, when all 8 shots were fired, and the 1 from secret service sniper, and i think the ESU sniper makes 10. 2 more silent shots were fired into the crowd [shots came from the trees].

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With all due respect to Donald Trump. I am amazed he was not killed. The only explanation i can come up with, is the snipers may have had one to many, and were pissed and missed.

I’m trying to catch a good shot of his face with his name in it, most of the best face stills blur the name, and a lot of the clear name stills have him moving his head or turned in different ways. Also, here’s another one for the Faceback match! :sweat_smile:







This I thought was neat, the badge also identifies him as Sgt., along with the stripes.

I’ll try and see if I can’t find a better view of him, but there’s a handful for now, hope it helps!

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Thanks! These are great, I can use one of these as a better ID rally image and put the recognizable name in the detail slide.

I would like an updated version (with Sasse’s name) of this for the Research Tools after the bodycam slide, though. I find the details like this interesting.

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No problem! I’m glad you find these useful, it was getting slightly frustrating not getting quite the shot I was after!

Absolutely, I’ll update this to reflect Sasse and clean it up a little. By chance, you wouldn’t happen to know or suspect what “ORATF” could mean?

As well I knew you would! Devil’s in the details! :wink::smiling_imp::sunglasses:

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I do not. Pearson and Kuss have it in their first BWC video, but Collins has it too, and he only has one BWC video, unless his second video wasn’t included. I found the Motorola 500 manuals, but it’s not in any of the dashcams. I don’t recall the BWC make and model to look those manuals up.

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You don’t know how many times I told those officers to turn right, look up, etc. Funny thing is they never listen to me. :joy:

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Sometime in the last 43 years, the Secret Service lost the ability to record their radio calls. Sad.

By the way, I was looking into the Reagan assassination attempt because I was curious about whether there were any inquiries as to how Hinckley got so close to Reagan. I haven’t found the answer to that yet, but found out something else: neither Reagan nor Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy (who literally took a bullet for the president) were wearing bulletproof vests. The news reports of the time lied. They said the bullet slipped through a space between the front and back plates of Reagan’s vest.

BTW, John Hinckley’s family and George H.W. Bush’s family were very close. Quite the coincidence, yes? If I remember right, Hinckley’s dad was even going to have dinner with someone in the Bush’s family the next evening, or something like that.

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They’re Axon cams:
Products - Axon.com
I haven’t compared them down to finding the model yet, but I’ve also been browsing through different docs and videos on this site to see if I can learn anything. And I know we’ve covered this somewhat before, but I do find it quite interesting. Axon provides a full suite of tools, from physical devices as body and dash cams, but also including drones and robots, even TASERs, and on top of that provide software packages that can seamlessly integrate all devices in the field:
Axon Respond for Devices explainer video - Axon.com

Redaction tools:
Redact smarter & respond faster - Axon.com

Watching this one now:
A deep dive into body-worn camera capabilities - Axon.com

And I know I saw one earlier about their drones, spotlighting their DFR (Drone as First Responder) and networking to remove the human line-of-sight issue with piloting drones. Can’t seem to find my way back to it but I will post it when and if I do, it was quite interesting.

Edit: Here we go, found it!:
Axon DFR Product Launch Video on Vimeo

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I think it more likely this practice and anything recorded being classified or restricted or at least blocked from the public sphere as much as possible, and only reaching the light of day upon accurate FOIA’s and RTK’s, but even in the event of that may be heavily redacted.

Personally, I’m not super familiar with the Reagan event, but do find it interesting as well. Perhaps the news reports less “lied” and simply were not well informed? I think it is not so much of a leap to assume Reagan or SS agents to be wearing a bulletproof vest, and so to accommodate that assumption the space between plates would be the next obvious answer.

Also, as far as coincidence :sweat_smile::
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I see nothing in the Axon Body 2 Camera Manual about “ORATF.

http://lepanierasalade.fr/cameras-pietons/docs/axon-1.pdf

I did find this, however, in the Axon View Manual. It seems the camera ID is input by the user, so “ORATF” is likely an acronym used by Butler Township.

Edit: Then again, I did find this in annual report from the Canadian Director Ammunitions and Explosives Regulations. It did not reference what “ATF” stood for, unfortunately. The heading for the first column is “Group or Command Location”

This is a related meaning for the acronym “ATF.”

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