So It's Back To First Principles (Part 1)

bleacher corner 1346,3 feet

hole in banner 1346,3 - 0,36 = 1345,94 feet

hole in pipe 1333,945 + 10,92 = 1344,865 feet

vertical distance between the holes → 1 foot

horizontal distance between the holes → 24,15 feet

do you agree?

@roger-knight

Can you calculate how large the vertical distance would have to be if the third shot had been fired through a vent?

Would this distance even be positive, i.e. would the hole in the banner be higher than the hole in the hydraulic pipe?

I think the third shot is one of the keys to solving this case.

It was certainly not intentional to create two clearly identifiable points, especially because the bullet was deflected sideways by the bar. The third shot must have been the least accurate. It could not have been intentional.

They f…d up. :grinning:

Shouldn’t this also apply to the NTD and RSBN cameras? They were standing on a stage that was just as high as the stage Trump was standing on.

Can you use this video footage to confirm the vertical distance between the two holes?

As noted, my zero reference point is the sea level elevation of the ARG 6 building, which is 1335.27 ft. Therefore, when I add this value to the height measurements in my CAD drawing, the resulting elevations should align with the absolute (real-world) values.



Here are the calculated absolute heights:

  • Bleacher corner:
    1335.27 + 11.022 = 1346.292 ft
  • Hole banner:
    1335.27 + 10.662 = 1345.932 ft
  • Hole in the pipe:
    1335.27 + 9.959 = 1344.865 ft

These values seem to match your values, so we’re in agreement. :slightly_smiling_face:

Regarding the 1-foot vertical distance:
Confirmed — we agree on that.

As for the horizontal distance between the holes, I’m not entirely sure which specific distance you’re referring to. Could you clarify which two holes or points you’re talking about, or provide a mark or label in the drawing to specify them?

It seems evident that the shooter intended to target Trump. Based on the trajectory analysis, it was extremely unfortunate for Corey and remarkably fortunate for Trump that the bullet was deflected twice, ultimately striking the hydraulic pipe.

we’re in agreement.

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the hole in the banner and the hole in the hydraulic pipe

This is the 3D distance:

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We can run additional simulations — for example, by modeling a direct connection between Vent 1 and the bleachers bar impact.

As we can see, this shot is impossible due to a collision with the left bleachers — which would have resulted in someone else being injured. Therefore, the shot was not clear and passes well above Trump’s head. The trajectory is inconsistent and does not align with a direct attempt on the target.

The trajectory that appears to be closest to reality is this one — unfortunately, the one that struck Corey.

If our calculations are accurate and the analysis has been correctly interpreted, then the person who fired that fatal shot is still free.

Hi, sorry for the delay replying back to you. I keep falling ill eating and drinking American imported food/drink to the UK. Lesson learned.

In the image cloud, i can see a person that appears to be baldy man, but it is very faint.

I have been trying to enlarge images myself. I get so far, then i can onstacles in my way, get booted of websites, or cannot handle to size i want.

I am pre occupied with other problems at the moment which have to take priority. When i get more time, i will get stuck in again.

I know where audio shots 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 were fired from. I have seen the muzzle flashes. The problem is, there is a group of guys, and i cannot zoom in far enough to identify them. I need to enhance the images.

I think shots 4,5,6,7,8 were fired by Max.
This picture, I named ‘littleguy.png’ was from a Dayve frame close to the time of those 5 shots, and I think this is Max:

Yes, that is the area i was referring to. When that big object [still do not know what it is] appeared on the rooftop. I am glad it did, because it narrowed it down where the audio shots came from.

Those audio shots 4 5 6 7 and 8 may have been fired by Max. The muzzle flashes appear to have come from behind the big object towards the far right corner of the AGR building. There are about 5 or 6 guys there stood together, and i think they are are all stood on a boomlift.

I am still trying to zoom in further to try to get a closer look. It is difficult.

I managed to zoom in to that big object. I am 99% sure no one fired a shot from it. If anyone tried to do so, that object was twisting and turning. I will be like a sniper trying fire a shot from a roller caster ride.

On other platforms, they are investigating where these audio shots came from. They don`t know it, they are on wild goose chase investigations and will not get anywhere.

The two images below is where the faint muzzle flashes came from, and where i believe the 5 audio shots 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 came from. I have spent
months looking for any videos in that area. Any videos i do find, cut out at the vital moment, or find other shooters escaping down the watertower.

I think Max was ~33 meters southwest of your yellow rectange.
Also, I think Fox made an ‘innocent’ mistake about the “Copenhaver” view of his shooter.
Fox News wouldn’t LIE to us, would they?

:police_car_light: Major Breakthrough in the Trump Shooting Case – July 13, 2024, Butler, PA

For those who haven’t followed the developments over the past few weeks, we’re excited to share the latest bombshell evidence—a series of discoveries that have become true game changers in our investigation of the Trump shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024.


:magnifying_glass_tilted_left: Key New Findings


1. Shot 3 – Impact on the Hydraulic Cylinder

  • Footage from the documentary “Who Shot Trump” by Fearless Films shows Shot 3 striking the hydraulic cylinder of the telehandler.
  • Based on trajectory analysis and visible damage, the round appears consistent with a 7.62×51mm NATO or .308 Winchester caliber—not the caliber used by Thomas Matthew Crooks’ AR-15-style rifle.

  • This inconsistency strongly suggests the involvement of a second shooter.

2. Police Bodycam Footage – Muzzle Flash from Vent 1

  • First-person video footage from a Butler Police bodycam captured a visible muzzle flash originating from Vent 1 of AGR Building 6not from Crooks’ known position.

  • This is a major breakthrough: the first shot with visible muzzle flash clearly originating from Vent 1 of AGR Building 6.

  • The footage is publicly available via the official Dropbox of the Butler Police, provided by Lt. Matthew Pearson.

:link: Download the Police Bodycam Footage
:backhand_index_pointing_right: Official Dropbox Link

  • Filename: 1302_202407131800_BWC2122104-0RATF.mp4
  • File Size: 1.53 GB (1,653,382,504 bytes)
  • SHA-256 Checksum:
    8ea10848e5295ae42b66abd0f58db106b99e94a042d47f311e84f50406799f82

3. Multiple Bullet Impacts in Event Banner – HD Photo Analysis

  • High-resolution images by photographer Evan Vucci reveal at least four distinct bullet impacts on the event banner:



  • The impact pattern includes:
    • Three bullet impacts near Copenhaver’s position
    • One impact near the top-right corner, which appears to have deflected off a bleacher rail, then struck the hydraulic cylinder
  • Visible debris on the banner supports this trajectory, confirming the interaction with the metal bar before impacting the cylinder.

These impacts are critical forensic indicators for determining shot origin and direction.

Get HD version here:
https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gmg/NP2LAIOFK5ASVHDDJ6C2WFE2UQ.jpg


:triangular_ruler: Forensic Summary (No Eyewitness Testimony Used)

Our conclusions are drawn solely from:

  • Forensic trajectory analysis
  • First-person video evidence
  • High-resolution photographic documentation

The findings support a multi-directional attack, pointing clearly to the presence of multiple shooters.


:loudspeaker: Join the Investigation

:warning: Disclaimer

The findings and analyses presented here are based on currently available evidence and are intended for informational and discussion purposes only. All conclusions remain theoretical and are subject to revision as additional information, footage, or forensic data becomes available. We are committed to transparency and welcome further evidence and peer review to refine or challenge these interpretations.

Let’s uncover the truth—together.

:flexed_biceps: Together, we are strong.

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Shot 3 is nestled against Copenhaver’s spine.
You’ll figure out where Shot 1 went when you’re in(really bad place, un mentionable):

Yes, you, and your DeepState, are strong, and truly rotten.

Add to that:




We can see the Red Truck Guy with his phone in his left hand. So it is plausible he has been alerted by the CEO to clear people from the fence line.

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Unfortunately, it is forensically impossible for Shot 3 to have struck Copenhaver, based on trajectory analysis supported by the following evidence:

First-Person Video Evidence: Shot 3 is clearly captured on the bodycam footage from Butler Police and is shown to originate from Vent 1.

Confirmed Impact Location: High-resolution picture and First-Person Video Evidence documents that Shot 3 impacts the hydraulic cylinder.

There is no plausible forensic trajectory that connects Vent 1, Copenhaver, and the hydraulic cylinder in a single line of fire.

By contrast, Shots 4 through 8 are backed by high-resolution photographic documentation, which show multiple impact points on the banner located at Copenhaver’s position. These impacts strongly support the conclusion that he was struck twice during this volley of fire.


If you wish to challenge this analysis, I respectfully request that you provide your own supporting evidence—not just the frequently reposted screenshot. Please accompany your claims with a clear forensic trajectory overlay, so your position can be properly understood and evaluated.

Additionally, I am still waiting for your response to a question I asked some time ago, which remains unanswered:

Until I receive a detailed, evidence-backed forensic trajectory, I will refrain from engaging further with your comments.

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In other words: move aside—they want a clear shot at the President. :anger:

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Here’s your own detailed, evidence-backed forensic trajectory from last week:
Can you see the detailed, evidence-backed forensic green hole that you shot through CornerMan ToughOldBird?

And the answer to your question:
Shot 25, from the Northeast, 45° offcourse from Crooks, and 1/4 second ‘early’, hit the railing:

@roger-knight

Have you already included the left tele handler in your 3d model?

Fox News have lied to us from the beginning. Also, the New York Times with the fake images. I have discovered a few more since since July 2014.

I cannot get the angles i needed. Therefore the image is not drawn to scale. You will get the idea what i am trying to illustrate to you.

I have managed to find anothe image of Baldy Man. He is stood up on the roof. He did not have a problem finding a ladder getting onto the rooftop. The blue small square represents where he got onto the AGR.

The black square is roughly where Yearik was. next to Baldy man.

The brown square is roughly where i think that great big object was which came out of the AGR rooftop, and swung round.

There were about 5 maybe 6 guys stood on a boomlift. This is where the muzzle flashes came from. ie audio shots 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. The muzzle flashed appear to be in different locations, within a yard of each other which suggest more than one shooter.

The AGR building, represented by the large green rectangle. Secret slits opened up and 3 surpressed shots were fired in the direction towards. Yearik. This is when i think he was killed.

Unless i can find another person[s] who was around that area, and did what brave Dayve did, it is going to be difficult to get more evidence.