If you listen to the Source 4 video, there is a very obvious difference in the sound made by shots 4-8 vs. shots 1-3. It’s so obvious to the human ear that no detailed echo analysis is needed to hear the difference. So, why is there such a big difference? A quick look at the video tells the story.
During shots 1-3, the person holding the smartphone was facing Northeast:
In the 2.8 seconds between shots 3 and 4, the person moved significantly closer to the tree. He also turned completely around! During shots 4-8, he was facing toward the Southeast:
While smartphone mics are certainly not the most directional devices among audio equipment, I can easily imagine that turning the phone around 180 degrees would produce a different sound timbre and the combined attenuation of the phone being turned and the person’s body blocking sound from behind could easily produce a different echo signature.
When analyzing the sound from a Smartphone, it’s unwise to not consider the video as well. Unfortunately, it looks like @cmartenson really dropped the ball on this one and put out some false info as well as coming to the wrong conclusion. I did that myself when I publicly released my first YouTube video and misidentified the location of shots 9 and 10. But as soon as I realized where I went wrong, I edited the Description section of video #1 to explain the error, and I put out video #2 as soon as I could to show the updated results.
I’m sure there was only one shooter and that it was Crooks. Sorry to rain on the conspiracy parade! At this point, I’m just happy that Trump is alive and am ready to move on.
I do hear what you’re talking about, but to me the extra “shots” sound more like either grass rustling or fingers moving on the phone. I think I saw a YouTube video where an ex special ops guy was insistent this is exactly what suppressed gunfire sounds like, but I’ve got to disagree on that.
It’s been a while, but that sounds like Dayve Stewert’s phone, am I right? If there was a suppressed shot, the other phone that was 42 meters away should have also been able to hear it.
While suppressed rifle shots are measurably quieter than un-suppressed, they are still pretty loud, even when subsonic ammo is used.
If I look very closely, yes, I think I can make out the image of a bald man there!
p.s. I just took a look at the Stewert video. When these extra “shots” are heard, Dayve is getting all the way down on the grass. He may even be laying down prone at that point. So, take a look at the video and I think you will see what I’m talking about.
Yes, Greg, it’s from Dayve’s phone, and three sounds are more like cricket bat sounds(as reviewed by cricket umpires, to determine whether a cricket ball had hit a batsman’s bat).
The first sound may be B Major…2nd and 3rd sounds may be E Major…higher pitch, but not a whole octave higher.
Also, Dayve’s phone recorded other people on the roof, and even a an artificial tree, maybe from Cabela’s, or Bass Pro:
Wait, @flamecensor are you some kind of troll or something like that? Am I the only one on here that can see your messages because everyone else has you blocked?
I thought about blocking Roger at one point, but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it because he just seems like such a nice guy! Just very tunnel-visioned. But perhaps that term also describes me!
Thanks for that, Greg.
I emailed mentalhealth.org.nz, but they replied, “Bald man? What bald man?”
But here’s one of three pictures that seem to contain a bald man:
No. I’ve got to completely disagree. He is definitely not completely bald. I think I see a pretty substantial band of hair on the back of his head. So, as someone who is personally losing a bit of my own hair, I say he should more respectfully be called “balding man” to be kind.
Hello Greg
Nice to speak to you again after our battle on the 10th shot position!
That’s what I tried to explain to Roger, showing him that the smartphone had moved about ten meters between shots 1-3 and 4-8, and that for the latter, it was aligned with the rear facade of the AGR 6 building, which could have changed the echoes.
But I gave up after a while because he didn’t seem to understand, or pretended not to!
Great work on the video stabilization @flamecensor but it looks like you are centered on the roof of the tall building that the Butler overwatch team was in. I don’t think anyone claimed there was a shooter on that roof. Crooks was far to the right of the area you zoomed in on, even when he was walking across the rooftops.
I completely disagree that echo signatures change with microphone position. If a shot is fired inside a room and produces a very short echo time from a nearby wall, both the original shot and the echo travel at the same speed. Therefore, at any position where you record these two sounds (for example, from the west side of the building), you will always detect the same echo delay.
I can also prove this. In the TMZ video, Ross is stationary with his camera (not rotating). When analyzing his audio, we find the exact same echo delays. This confirms that rotating the camera has no influence, since we get the same results with both a rotating camera and a stationary camera.
This also supports the conclusion that there were two distinct locations:
one near a wall producing a very short echo (valleys 1–3), and another echo from a wall considerably farther away, likely near Crooks and the second-floor building.
The two different echo delays between shots 1–3 and shots 4–8 are consistent with two shooters firing from two different locations. Rotating the camera has no influance.
Copenhaver probably perceived the graze as ‘port’ side…better than ‘bow’, or ‘stern’…or ‘transom’.
Also, could the area of ‘pink’ pixels in this picture be heat?
(it’s ~45 frames after Trump’s ear shot):
Greg, I’m not, temporarily, claiming a shooter on that roof.
I’m claiming 3.9 seconds of ‘motion’ of a non-bald man’s arm, with its fist raised.
Also, 100 pixel frames were cropped by hand, centered on an 8 pixel wide head.
In this video below, is it possible that Copenhaver’s stomach has been shot?:
Another nice editing job with the video, @flamecensor. I can see him flinch at the very end, like he got hit or heard the shot. But I can’t tell whether there’s an issue with his stomach.
