So It's Back To First Principles

[daniel59]

@sonjax6

If I understand the “rules” correctly I have to be registered here for two weeks before I can put you on ignore. It’s going to be a long time.

That’s a natural behavior of people whose world view is threatened when they run out of arguments.

I don’t hold it against you.

@not-infringe-texan

I’m sure you meant 1500. Not sure, where this was verified, but regardless the SAT doesn’t measure common sense.

Yes 1500:

“The 20-year-old scored higher than 1500 on his SAT pre-college exam. The average score in the U.S. is 1050, according to the College Board.”

Trump assassination attempt: Thomas Matthew Crooks 'strikingly intelligent'...

Such a smart guy shouldn’t assume he could fire a shot at Trump after running across 4 rooftops and lying on a roof for 2 minutes without having help from insiders.

This can rule out the lone gunman theory.

@not-infringe-texan

But like the Vegas shooter had credible enough evidence to support that he like Crooks thought they would escape by detonating explosives in their vehicles. And then how do you also explain the extra magazines in his backpack nearby, the remote next to him and the explosives found in his vehicle.

So far we know little about the explosives. FBI Director Wray said their switch was off, so Crooks didn’t have the ability to detonate it remotely.

Maybe that’s not true?

Maybe he wanted to continue killing people at another location afterwards?

Maybe the explosives were planted on him?

The explosives issue is still too speculative for me.

@not-infringe-texan

One miss can definitely be followed by a second and even be for different reasons. And by the Third shot Trump was rapidly changing his head position and not just a slight twist.

I watched the video again several times. When the third shot is heard, Trump has only ducked his head down about 4 inches.

I don’t want to insinuate anything, but why should I believe someone I don’t even know the real name of?

When it comes to the question of whether a professional sniper could have missed Trump, I prefer to trust opinions that come from verifiably real snipers.

Even better would be an experiment with a real gun on a target moving like Trump’s head from the same distance.

@not-infringe-texan

The possibility that they chose a less than accurate and reliable shooter doesn’t seem a stretch at all.

That would not be impossible, but in my opinion it is very unlikely.

@not-infringe-texan

You act like Crooks is supposed to be/act logical. If he was he wouldn’t have landee on the FBI radar.

In my opinion, he was most likely a mind control victim or something like Burundanga was used.

The idea of escaping unidentified remains completely absurd to me. If his logical mind was so overridden that he assumed otherwise, he probably wouldn’t have been a reliable assassin. That would then only fit the scapegoat theory and there would have had to be a second shooter.

@not-infringe-texan

Crooks was lead to believe that he would have a chance to kill “Hitler” and the FBI would insure he got the chance. Went like clock work…

But like in Vegas, he was going to be provided a means of escape due to his vehicle loaded with explosives.

The first part worked out and all that was necessary was that this brainwashed, willing kid believed he had a chance to escape.

Perhaps he wanted to kill “Hitler” and was prepared to die in the process.

@sgt-raven

The USSS is not the organization your pretend it is. Just look at the breast feeding scandal that just happened. There have been problems in the USSS for quite some time going back decades. Most of it gets swept under the rug.

Their own lives were in danger. Even if we assume that they hadn’t practiced this situation a hundred times before, their survival instinct should have driven them off the stage.

Instead, one of the bodyguards calmly wipes blood from Trump’s cheek.

It just doesn’t make sense.

[sgt-raven]

@daniel59

Their own lives were in danger. Even if we assume that they hadn’t practiced this situation a hundred times before, their survival instinct should have driven them off the stage.

There are reports that Trump’s normal protective team was given the day off and most of the officers there didn’t normally work protective details. That would line up with audio of them asking “what do we do now”?

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence, but don’t rule out malice”

[daniel59]

@stph

Why didn’t Trump have a private security expert on his payroll, or he payroll of the RNC, to preview and overview the GOVERNMENT plan and execution? Didn’t Trump learn A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G from his first term, the lawfare, and the threats from many prominent Deep State denizens?

@stph

So why did Trump walk into this space with, apparently, NO competent, high-level, security supervisor of his own choice? What don’t I understand?

This too can only be satisfactorily explained by the total false flag theory.

@sgt-raven

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence, but don’t rule out malice”

The psychopaths want you to believe exactly that so that they can carry on undisturbed.

By the way, Hanlon’s razor is not a law of nature, just a rule of thumb.

Any detective who followed it would never solve a case.

[sgt-raven]

@daniel59

By the way, Hanlon’s razor is not a law of nature, just a rule of thumb.

That is Heinlein’s Razor. Hanlon’s Razor didn’t include "but don’t rule out malice”.

[daniel59]

Both are just rules of thumb.

Incompetence can also be feigned.

[roger-knight]

Just for better under understanding, here for example is ref 465, which is mentioned in the other forum:

@roger-knight

Looking at our joint citizen investigation “bullet back trace” document ref. 884-4 you can see our ref. 465 which determines the spot where Trump was standing at the time of the first shot, hitting his right ear.

[thepythoniccow]

@sonjax6

In that case you are saying that Trump, at least some of his bodyguard detail, and quite a few others are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

If Trump “persuaded” the “real” assassins to avoid shooting to kill anyone, with the first three shots, then he conspired to reduce the body count, not increase it.

Whether or not the patsy (Crooks?) shot, and who he shot, was not something that Trump and his security conspired to effect one way or the other. It was likely the five rapid “spray and pray” follow-up shots, from the patsy I presume, that killed one and seriously wounded two more.

[thepythoniccow]

@roger-knight

Assuming the first shot hit Trumps ear and then …

That’s a key assumption.

If granted it might well make it impossible for the first three shots to have come from one of the second story windows in the two story AGR building just northwest of Bldg #6, for as I believe I’ve heard Chris Martenson explain, such a bullet would likely have had to travel an inverted trajectory, since Trump’s ear was (I suspect) lower than a straight line connecting any of those second story windows and the upper southwest corner of the rail on the southern bleacher, where we know the bullet hit.

We don’t know that any bullet nicked Trump’s ear. Instead Trump might have had a little packet of stage blood behind his right ear, which he burst when he first grabbed his ear (in response to hearing a bullet fly overhead), and then perhaps had an actual wound applied to that ear lobe, with direct assistance of the first Secret Service agent to pile on him, in order to make the widely viewed closeup shot of his wounded ear be absolutely legitimate, as it would be an image that received wide scrutiny.

Given that Trump has or had long associated with the two Kennedy sons, John and Robert, as well as with Nixon, as well as been well of Reagan’s near assassination, Trump would have known for many years now that the Deep State would try to kill him, once all other means of stopping him failed.

If Trump and his key security people learned of this assassination plot ahead of time, it would have been surprisingly easy for an actor with Trump’s talent for drama to turn that plot into a sting operation. Given that Trump and his team is still seriously pissing off some Deep State agencies and power players nine years after he came down that escalator, I have to imagine that it’s not just possible, but likely, that Trump would have gotten wind of this plot, well before he left for Butler, PA that day.

Then, if he knew, all he had to do was:

(1) Have a “heart to heart” talk with the real (reliable, professional) assassins tasked with killing him, and make them a deal: “You miss me, we protect and reward you. You kill me, you die. We know who you are and what you’re assigned to do.”

(2) Be sure that any photographers just behind his podium, in front of the center bleachers, were chased off, just before the shooting, so that no good images of his right ear, after the “shot”, but before the Secret Service agents piled on him would display that his ear was not yet actually wounded in those initial few seconds.

(3) Arrange for the initial blood and actual ear lobe wound, as I described above.

For a WWE WrestleMania fan such as Trump, such a dramatic public display would have been quite the way to turn the table on a long expected assassination effort.

Once we drop that single assumption, that the first bullet passed by Trump at ear level, then all of Chris Martenson’s assemblage of fine audio work rings clear … first three shots were shot from one of those second story windows … exactly where some (Beaver County?) snipers were already setup but supposedly abandoned their station just before the shooting began.

The next five shots were quite possibly some “spray and pray” shots by the patsy (Crooks?) on the roof. The risk of the patsy getting off a kill shot, on a protectee under a Secret Service dog pile by that point, was acceptably low.

In short: I recommend we NOT assume any of the first three shots passed Trump at ear level.

Granted, neither the Deep State wants to consider that (as having their hired professional sniper deliberately miss Trump violates their “lone shooter” narrative), nor do MAGA Republicans want to consider that possibility (as it turns Trump from a miraculous survivor into a WWE-style ham actor.)

Hence my conjecture will likely be unpopular in some circles.

But my conjecture sure connects a lot of dots. What am I missing?

[thepythoniccow]

A friend of mine who has worked as (1) a butcher, (2) an emergency medical technician, and (3) preparing “stage blood” for actors, looked at the famous picture of Trump’s “wounded” ear, before he left the stage, and was immediately certain that it was real blood, not stage blood.

So I presume that that upper lobe of Trump’s right ear really was wounded. I just see no evidence to conclusively prove whether it was wounded by a passing bullet, or manually scratched while he was under the initial Secret Service dog pile, or some variation thereof.

[daniel59]

@thepythoniccow

and was immediately certain that it was real blood, not stage blood.

It is not difficult to get a teaspoon of real blood. All you need is a sterile syringe for 1$. Anyone who is not afraid of syringes could easily draw their own blood.

@thepythoniccow

I just see no evidence to conclusively prove whether it was wounded by a passing bullet, or manually scratched

It should probably be possible to distinguish a real graze shot from a hand-inflicted injury on the basis of photos. But an experienced doctor should assess whether a graze could be faked. How would your friend answer this question if it were a high-resolution photo?

In my opinion, this is why Trump did not publish a photo of his injury.

@thepythoniccow

(2) Be sure that any photographers just behind his podium, in front of the center bleachers, were chased off, just before the shooting, so that no good images of his right ear, after the “shot”, but before the Secret Service agents piled on him would display that his ear was not yet actually wounded in those initial few seconds.

This supports the total false flag theory.

@thepythoniccow

to turn that plot into a sting operation.

If you were ever to become unemployed, you would certainly easily find a job as a spin doctor. That’s a serious compliment.

@thepythoniccow

and then perhaps had an actual wound applied to that ear lobe, with direct assistance of the first Secret Service agent to pile on him, in order to make the widely viewed closeup shot of his wounded ear be absolutely legitimate

I’ve also had the thought that Trump’s ear might have been inflicted a real injury by brute force. But I rejected it because I think the risk of something going wrong would have been too great.

You would only have had one shot at it on camera under time pressure. Too risky in my opinion.

That also applies to a wound that was inflicted afterwards. Just one attempt that might go wrong.

@thepythoniccow

Once we drop that single assumption, that the first bullet passed by Trump at ear level,

Most Trump supporters have not been able to do that so far. That’s why the investigation is making little progress.

@thepythoniccow

Hence my conjecture will likely be unpopular in some circles.

Brian and Sonja will mute you.

[thepythoniccow]

I figured that there was a real wound, somewhere beneath the blood on his upper ear lobe, and making that so would be both easy enough and ensure the most reliable means of having the ear really, really look wounded.

But if there is no broken skin there, then sure, a teaspoon of real blood is easy to come by.

@daniel59

How would your friend answer this question if it were a high-resolution photo?

I have no idea - do you have such a photo - I could ask her.

[thepythoniccow]

@daniel59

This supports the total false flag theory.

My conjecture (if that’s what you refer to) is definitely NOT a total false flag theory.

I remain convinced (albeit with only meager circumstantial evidence at best) that the any of the entire Deep State who had prior knowledge of this operation woke up that morning entirely convinced that Trump would almost certainly be dead before sunset.

Only a handful of people on the planet needed to have any clue that this operation was going to flipped into a sting operation.

Consistent with this, I observe that any of the Deep State who likely would have been involved in setting up, or subsequently reporting or covering up, this operation, are (in my admittedly biased view) acting as guilty as a three year old standing next to a broken cookie jar, with crumbs on his cheeks.

[daniel59]

Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but it shouldn’t go unmentioned. Trump’s blood stripes bear a resemblance to the Crowdstrike logo. The Crowdstrike incident took place on July 19.

2024 CrowdStrike incident

I saw a second pattern in some video that also bears a striking resemblance to Trump’s bloodstripe, but I can’t remember what it was. If anyone knows it, it would be nice to post it here.

[pk2019]

Well, that’s over the top. Did you have taken in consideration, that we are all behind a digital filter? What if clear images of Trumps right side simply do not reach us, because some AI takes them down the moment they get uploaded somewhere? And did you asked yourself if this could be an psychological operation just to let you turn the rat race for years to come? Much as it was the case in 2001? You are certainly not alone when wondering about missing films and photographs of that critical moment.

edit: meant for Daniel59 wrt Crowdstrike

[roger-knight]

Hi thepythoniccow,

@thepythoniccow

We don’t know that any bullet nicked Trump’s ear. Instead Trump might have had a little packet of stage blood behind his right ear, which he burst when he first grabbed his ear

Just so that I can get a feeling of your common-sense, may I ask you the following 4 questions of which you only need to answer with yes or no:

1. Do you believe Trumps ear got grazed by a bullet during the rally in Butler?

2. Do you believe Corey Comperatore died?

3. Do you believe in the moon landing?

4. Do you believe in the moon?

[thepythoniccow]

@roger-knight

may I ask you the following 4 questions

Do you believe Trumps ear got grazed by a bullet during the rally in Butler?

I currently doubt Trump’s ear got grazed by a bullet (but I’ve changed my best guess on that question several times in the last month, and might well change it again).

Do you believe Corey Comperatore died?

So far as I know - yes - he took a fatal head shot.

Do you believe in the moon landing?

I suspect that what we’re told of those reported landings is a complex mix of truth and propaganda.

Do you believe in the moon?

Yup - there’s a big spherical something up there circling the earth - but I’m open to various complex and conflicting stories of just what it is and how it got there.

[jim-h-2 (Jim H)]

@thepythoniccow

My conjecture (if that’s what you refer to) is definitely NOT a total false flag theory.

I remain convinced (albeit with only meager circumstantial evidence at best) that the any of the entire Deep State who had prior knowledge of this operation woke up that morning entirely convinced that Trump would almost certainly be dead before sunset.

Only a handful of people on the planet needed to have any clue that this operation was going to flipped into a sting operation.

Consistent with this, I observe that any of the Deep State who likely would have been involved in setting up, or subsequently reporting or covering up, this operation, are (in my admittedly biased view) acting as guilty as a three year old standing next to a broken cookie jar, with crumbs on his cheeks.

We are being Q’Anon’ed folks… by a poster that joined our beloved web community 9 hours ago… just to post this blather. Eyes open.

[kincses-zsolt]

What was Thomas Crooks doing leading up to the assassination attempt on President Donald Trump?

What was Thomas Crooks doing leading up to the assassination attempt on President Donald Trump?

August 17, 2024 at 8:06 PM
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Scheduled for Aug 17, 2024

[thepythoniccow]

@jim-h-2

We are being Q’Anon’ed folks… by a poster that joined our beloved web community 9 hours ago… just to post this blather. Eyes open.

I look forward to substantive replies and other substantive evidence, insights and analysis, appropriate to this beloved, properly so, community.

[roger-knight]

OK, haven given those answers, I will continue to read your posts…