So It's Back To First Principles

@daniloraf

Here is my take on why Nicol said Sheetz. Nicol is from Beaver County, not Butler, so he doesn’t know the Farm Show area. He wasn’t sure what building he was in, thus he likely did not remember other building numbers used by law enforcement that he likely heard for the first time during the morning meeting. He did say north in a text message just before his 6:02 pm radio call. During that radio call he likely said Sheetz because everyone in that region knows what a Sheetz is (we have Terrible Herbsts in Vegas), so he used the first highly recognizable landmark that came to mind.

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Yep, this is the guy (BWC2-122104) walking out of the FOP, sees the southern barn snipers turn, Corey being carried away from the bleachers etc.
there’s also a 2nd part of his bodycam when he crosses the road and you can see the Elantra. => not sure about the 2nd part but the 1st important part his bodycam timestamp is about 12 seconds ahead of time gray hughes investigates (youtube.com)

By chance I found a video where he’s to see, not well but it’s a start. Seems to be an older guy and he’s obviously wearing glasses (not the sun one but the one up his head).
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Beaver County ESU is also ahead of time (+) 1:39

Videos 122104 / 111 / 117 have all two parts. Didn’t check the time difference of the 2nd part (since not relevant), but I’d assume it’s the same as in the 1st parts I checked.

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Thanks. The Gray Hughes video came to mind just after I sent the post. I must have mixed it up when I first added it, hence the added delta footnote.

Are you sure that the others who were up there before him didn’t have a bodycam?

So there can’t be any bodycam footage to prove that the cartridges weren’t placed?

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Chris Kopas is with Adam’s Twp per their website roster. I doubt Lt. Pearson would have access/permission to post their body cam footage. I’m going to remove that from my slide for now until we can confirm it was his bodycam.

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Here is my overview for the dash-/bodycams. Be aware that I numbered the 3 parts of the Beaver County ESU in order of the time the footage was taken. In the Grassley downloadfolder it’s mixed up.

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They also have different patches.

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Ok I specify: He’s the first on the roof whose body cam footage was released.
Might be the others also had bodycams but so far I’m not aware of any releases yet.

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Don’t wana be annoying but there are still some errors. Best you use my chart to check.

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Not annoying at all. Thanks for your table, that helped. The font is getting small for my old eyes, so I’m prone to mistakes, so check out the update I just posted.

no worries, I feel your senses are still sharp as!

Just some minor corrections:

  • BWC2-122104-1/-2 => delta is +12sec
  • M500-010482 => delta is -1sec
  • 3 Beaver County ESU => delta is +1min39sec

Updated, thanks again. At some point in our early discussion about time deltas, someone posted a compelling argument for 0.13, which is why I changed it from 0.12. But, since I don’t recall who that was, I’ll stick with your number. That way I know who to forward any complaints to. :rofl:

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Great table! I was thinking about doing a Command slide with faces, so with this I think I will. I have some if not most of the photos.

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Sorry, my autistic mind gets stuck here. RSBN office manager Jude Seales says they have delay when live streaming. He used words “few seconds delay” and “slight delay” in their live broadcasts. Here’s my 38s videoclip BWC2-122110 bodycam in 100% sync with audio from Dave’s video. That makes 2 videos, dashcam and bodycam, vs RSBN delayed time. I have already been in a situation where every single frame came in handy when proving bldg6 3rd window light had nothing to do with shots.

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Well done. I’m practically sold. The Sonata actually being an Elantra and Crooks parking his car over there. What about Crooks being seen at 4:26 around the air strip? That places someone else as the one who snuck in, which is something I always believed.

About that message: “Someone followed our lead and snuck in and parked by our cars just so you know”, and that someone being at a table 50 yards away from the entrance. I’ve always believed that wasn’t Crooks, but someone else. The table he refers to at that moment is this one below, I believe, with quite a Green Goblin sitting on it at the time of the shooting.

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I believe you are possibly correct. It’s possible that GN observed Crooks on this table, reported him heading toward the gas station from this position. And why GN went to door AGR #6 east. And we know that there’s no cars parked in the AGR west lot immediately after the shooting.

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Thanks! So let me ask you this, I have my doubts of Nicol owning an Alfa Romeo. Do you suppose it might belong to neon green shirt? If it’s not Nicol’s car, then his might be one of the two LEO vehicle’s parked next to it. I don’t recall if I checke the white patrol car against Nicole’s department, but can do that quick enough. One of those might belong to Murcko, too, but not sure if he self-drove or not. Likely since he had to transport his rifle.

As for the 4:26 pm text from Woods, here’s how I understand it:

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I’m pretty sure this is our Mr. Officer BWC2-122110 isn’t it?
Tyler Collins, Detective, Butler Township PD


with 6 years in between, I think that’s absolutely him.
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Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf (butlertwp.org)
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Facebook picture from 6 years ago? Does it say anything else in the facebook post, description or so?

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perfect now :partying_face:

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