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Funnily we find the videographer here is another Shaffer, Mike in this case. And this interaction is quite interesting to witness, it starts out kinda rough but really turns around!
From these videos, I catch Kuss’s badge # as 40, and Shaffner’s is 37.
It seems badge number relates to extension number here, 540, 537. I don’t know that this hold true across all listed extensions, but it is interesting! And considering Kuss’s callsign is 1340, I wonder, should we suppose badge number relates to callsign across local comms?
Other videos I’ve found on this channel have appearances by Blasko, and I believe Niederlander and Zarnick at the very least so far.
Ffs, firstly what is a shot 0? I’m guessing you mean here some ‘imperceptible’ shot before the ‘perceivable’ ones. I’ll return the question, what proof do you have convincing you of this? And then if they were East of Herc2, and they hit the rail, what was their intended target? Were they aiming at the rail? If they had the ultimate first shot, somehow unperceived by anyone, with no pressure from cops surrounding them or anyone even suspecting them, how did they not hit their intended target? I just don’t see it…
The Herc 2 sniper interviewed was the one on the right laying down. He heard the bullets to his west, and he also incorrectly thought his partner was hit because he thought he heard the impact of soft tissue. His partner was the one that heard it to the east, and I think he was mistaken (if that is what he said). The one interviewed didn’t say he heard one suppressed shot from the trees, he seemed to think all the shots were suppressed.
He also mentioned the massive speakers at his ear level. These were reproducing the cracks as the bullets passed the podium mic and I am sure would have thrown off his (and many people’s) perception.
I would not rely on this testimony.
Not sure about this idea that ToughOldBird would have been hit from AGR. I am not sure exactly where the railing was hit and haven’t properly mapped out the angle myself. The round was supersonic and made a puff just before we heard it. Other evidence points to AGR, and for me this isn’t strong enough to contradict it yet.
Not sure when Copenhaver’s left tricep was hit. It could be the second volley, even though he moves his arm at the start. I’d love to find out for sure. I haven’t fully looked into which bullet hit who exactly, but I agree Corey was hit by bullet 6 for a couple of reasons.
I didn’t see the Schaffer video. That would make for a better department photo since he at least has a shoulder patch on. Like many day of images, we’ll likely catch him in a profile view anyways, if we ever do sight him. Thanks, @redranamber and Birdy1776!
This was my impression as well, as if he thought they all sounded suppressed. And the speaker angle here is a nice touch as well, they would have played a huge part in everyone’s perception of things across the field!
If you listen carefully, the report from the muzzle of both the AR-15 and the Ruger 10/22 can be heard 150 yards away, even with the silencers mounted. Another, more subtle point illustrated by the video, is the order in which the sounds reach an observer, according to his position. We hear the supersonic crack of the bullet passing before the report from the muzzle of the AR-15. The sound of the bullet impacting the jugs is lost under the much louder “crack” of the miniature sonic boom heard as the shockwave created by the bullet reaches the observer.
RedRanAmber,
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the shot certainly was perceptible by ToughOldBird, who had shrapnel burns on the back of his right arm.
The proof is
a) the body of ToughOldBird, through which a bullet would have to be shot, to hit the rail top, from AGR(any building)
b) the fact that it was on & off the rail before ‘shots were heard’. This one will be infamous for thousands of years.
One of the targets has ‘confessed’ to hearing ‘endless’ suppressed, muffled shots. Have you forgotten his testimony already? I’ll replay pages 56 & 57 of his transcribed interview.
Chris Nolan, the ‘round’ was subsonic.
Hercules2 with red bracelet on left wrist hasn’t been interviewed.
What evidence points to AGR? Would that be the tree between AGR6 shooter location and Hercules2 on the North barn?
And consider the word ‘endless’. The entire stage shooting sequence, 8 famous shots, consumed 6 seconds. Do you think 6 seconds is endless?
Copenhaver was hit with Supersonic Shots 1 and 3.
Yeah I think he thought they were all suppressed because they didn’t sound as he would expect from so close. Maybe the speakers amplifying the crack drowned out the muzzle even more than usual and that’s what made him think that? A bit over my head. I’ll probably check the video. I have to credit Ken Linke for first mentioning the cracks coming from the speakers throwing people off.
Given none of the shots seem to be suppressed it’s safe to say to testimony is somewhat unreliable.
Audio sync issue is another possibility, great point. Lots of problems with looking at a video and building a case from it.
And I’m sure it was. Is ToughOldBird here Dutch or Copenhaver? And what alluded to shrapnel burns? Did I miss something?
A) I don’t happen to have one of those laying around, might you?
B) Video footage of several sources, even official police bodycam and dashcam footage, is proven to be off sync in either audio, time, or date, by some amount. May or may not attribute to this imo.
He didn’t hear endless shots; he described the shots he heard as if they ‘seemed endless’. And then take into account the phrasing of the question:
He wasn’t able to count. This being in the time span of 18:11:32 and 18:11:37 (and granted this may be off even, as I am going by timestamp on the dashcam without time adjustments), but still about 5 seconds, 8 shots. Is this not understandable hyperbole??
We’ll have to agree to disagree on the speed of the first bullet (and which bullet it is too I guess). I’ve seen no indication of a subsonic bullet. People point to the puff coming before the shot but we’ve just mentioned 2 explanations for that with a supersonic bullet above.
I know Herc 2 with the red bracelet on the left wrist has not been interviewed. But his Herc 2 prone partner has, and he is the one that mentioned that his red bracelet partner was the one that told him that he heard shots to the east, as I wrote above.
Visual evidence of shots from the Agr building, plus sound analysis all points to AGR. Crooks, Corey, Trump, David, James are pretty much in a straight line.
It might have seemed endless. And endless is obviously not a precise term. 6 hours is not endless either. And he says right there in what you posted that the bullets were generally coming from AGR (or beyond).
How can you be sure what bullets hit Copenhaver?
Still waiting for that apology @vegaspatriot. Wouldn’t it be nice to put this behind us and get along?
RedRanAmber, ToughOldBird is NOT Copenhaver, nor Dutch.
I thought you understood, but obviously not. The bullet was behind his back! And his chest was facing…DUE NORTH(compass bearing of 0 or 360), so his body blocked a shot from AGR6.
Regarding out-of-sync audio/video, you could try that to obscure the truth, but it wouldn’t work in a courtroom, because zinc/lead dust/shrapnel is rolling southwest(not South) off of the rail top BEFORE Copenhaver’s arm
reflexively moves, synchronous with Supersonic Shot 1(& as Trump says ‘uhh!’)
Chris Nolan, I can’t be sure, but Copenhaver could give the best answer. For me, the NBC closeup showed his arm moving with Supersonic1, and his midsection folding with Supersonic3.
HSGACounsel’s job was to steer the questions back to AGR, because they have to prove a lone gunman, when we know that multiple enemy gunmen were involved.
In a real courtroom, HSGAC(majority) wouldn’t get away with repeating ‘endless’ rather than questioning that word. After repeating, ‘endless’, Counsel changes the subject to ‘direction’, trying to get attention back to the only location allowed: AGR.
Hercules2 is calling 6 seconds ‘endless’?
Why was he diving and ducking for at least 36 seconds before the stage shots? Because he was
‘under fire’ then. That was known when they got off the roof, for the motorcade to the hospital.
Also, you forgot the tree, that was between Hercules2 and the AGR shooter location.
‘endless’ problems for you.
The Guy i was referring to is on Twitter, goes by the name “William”. I think he is a government agency plant keeps spreading disinformation or he is new to this investigation.
It would be good to hear it from Copenhaver. Those are good points, and it might be those shots, but he also looks like he could be getting hit during the second volley. NBC showing that section doesn’t necessarily prove it was the initial shots, even though it does give that impression. Many news reports also show Herc 2 when they mention SS shooting Crooks, giving the impression that they shot him when they didn’t.
I think you are reading too much into the word endless. He didn’t have a stopwatch. He probably wasn’t expecting one shot, let alone 8. I don’t think you would rely on this if there was anything conclusive for your argument elsewhere.
He wasn’t under fire for 36 seconds. They were looking - through the trees maybe - to see what the commotion was over there.
What problem does that tree cause for me being in between Herc 2 and the AGR shooter?
I’ll give you a like for your last sentence. Funny
Exactly. There are quite a few cases like this where the questioner backs off when the details get really fishy. I’ve only read the testimony of the Hercules 2 and Hercules 1 counter snipers, plus the overall reports so far, but those guys and Nicol have not been grilled nearly as closely as they should have been, and nobody has explained why all those cops decided to look in the windows of the AGR building after they knew about Crooks on the rooftop.
Don’t worry about the other people on this forum too much. I’d say there’s a 75% chance any particular one of these guys is an intelligence agency shill. They clearly have their minds made up that there was just one shooter, and they are stuffing all the evidence into that conclusion as hard as it needs to be stuffed.
But unlike JFK, Trump lived and is coming into office. The charade should end soon.
Maybe some testimony was taken seriously.
When right side CS asked how far was it from left, and the left side CS answered it had been from right. Some logical inference could be something happened between them.
