Chris Nolan:
Off topic, but this further convinces me that David Dutch was shot with Supersonic Shot 2:
https://x.com/i/status/1863047183919935921
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SonjaX6, do you think the agency is using artificial intelligence. Many, or most, of the posters don’t seem human.
I think you are right about Dutch being hit by shot 2. Me and others are also coming to that conclusion
This straight line leads to the rear two-story building.
There is no evidence of Trump’s ear injury.
Trump has not published a photo of the fresh wound.
The previous audio analyses have only localized the muzzle blasts.
Not sure how accurate the line is but it’s pretty close to Crooks, no?
I’ve seen the blood and some kind of scar on the ear, what evidence is there to the contrary?
What faults do you have with the audio analysis out there putting the shots as coming from Crooks, and do you have any analysis pointing anywhere else?
Projectiles from there could have flown far enough past him.
I only saw a red liquid.
How do you know it was blood?
How do you know how this scar came about?
I am not claiming that the audio analyses are wrong.
I’m just pointing out that, strictly speaking, they only localized the muzzle blasts.
No one has yet been able to disprove the following scenario:
Crooks fired the first 3 shots with subsonic training ammunition. These projectiles had a high air resistance and were so light that they landed in the area between the two fences.
Crooks’ rifle was manipulated so that a radio signal was sent in time when he pulled the trigger. This allowed a rifle located in the rear two-story building to be fired at the right time through a very small hole in the front using a preset device.
The reports of shots fired from the rear building could have been as low as 20dB on Dave Stewart’s video recording.
As far as I know, there are rifles whose muzzle blast would be 130dB loud without a suppressor.
The distance to Dave Stewart’s microphone reduces the sound by around 40dB.
A normal suppressor can reduce the sound by 30dB.
The gun would have been fired in a windowless and additionally soundproofed room. This might have reduced the sound by a further 10 dB.
If an additional 30dB reduction was possible due to the very large suppressor (custom made, stationary, 1 yard diameter, 1 yard length), you would get about 20dB when the sound reaches Dave Stewart’s microphone.
In this scenario, the report comes from Crook’s weapon and the projectile that creates the sonic boom comes from another weapon.
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I found something interresting.
18:17:40 0:10 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel All units hold the parameter. All units hold the parameter. They are making entry into the building. Control if you get ahold of everybody you can PSP, Township, City let them know entering the building, we need to hold the parameter.
18:17:58 0:05 OP2 Butler (64002) Control (also is 1421) Tac command from control, they’re stating they’re entering the AGR building
18:18:01 0:06 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel We have been told somebody was looking out a window. I do not know who was inside. Hold the parameter
18:18:49 0:06 10- 4400 P-4 Zelienople Boro (60794) Setnar Alpha14 is on the first floor, north side of the building, main entrance
18:23:56 0:08 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel I’m being told that the shooter may be affiliated with AGR, so if there are any vehicles in the area might want to run some plates when we get to it
18:23:56 0:08 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel I’m being told the shooter may be affiliated with AGR. So i don’t know if we have any vehicles in the area. Anyone want to runs some plate? but we’ll get to it. [Multi-channel Transmission]
18:32:58 0:07 10-5600 P-1 Prospect Boro (60701) Greg Nichol Let them know we have, uh, second floor of the AGR occupied with 2 friendlies.
18:38:05 0:08 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel Control 1305 or for anybody on the air. Can I get a small team together we’re going to breach this other building and clear it. The other AGR building on the west side.
18:38:57 0:11 10-1305 Butler Twp (60285) Vensel Looks like there is a smalelr office building. We recieved information the shooter may be the owner of AGR (?) breach this and clear.
“I’m being told the shooter may be affiliated with AGR.”
“We recieved information the shooter may be the owner of AGR”
When he means via Black Rock, that’s possible path. AGR CEO (or someone) gathered information for BR and they passed the information to TMC. Conceivable.
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This guy runs behind the pine trees. Later he comes out, around the big ladder arrives.
EDIT: typo fixed.
Collins was at east side. West side can be seen on Vensel’s bodycam.
Yeah they could have. I think it’s more likely they came from him.
I guess I don’t know for sure it’s blood or how the scar came about, but it seems most likely this is the result of a bullet grazing his ear.
It’s true they aren’t definitive. I guess I can’t disprove your scenario, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record I can only say again that I think shots from the building 1 roof are more likely from the evidence I’ve seen. To my ear and with my layman’s understanding the shots on Dave’s video seem consistent with that.
It is interesting. There’s also this about it on the Wittlinger cam:
Det. Wittinger [18:52:55]: Did you hear Tommy say it was the owner of AGR?
Kuss [18:52:57]: He thinks. He shouldn’t be broadcasting shit like that right now.
Det. Wittinger [18:53:00]: He shouldn’t be on the radio at all.
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You know that the time difference (tdiff) between the “shock wave” (SW) and the “muzzle blast” (MB) for a supersonic gunshot is dependent on the distance between the shooter and the perpendicular projection of the microphone position on the bullet trajectory and also on the speed of the bullet relative to that of the sound.
If we look at the audio recordings and in particular that of Trump’s microphone we see that tdiff is maximum for shot 1 and lower for the other 7 shots. This has generally been attributed to variations in bullet speed between the different shots. This may be one reason but there is another: if there is a lateral shift in the trajectory compared to that of the first shot there will be a decrease in tdiff if this new trajectory moves away from the microphone and an increase if it gets closer to it.
I used 5 recordings of which 4 showed a decrease in tdiff and 1 an increase. If I assume that the variation in ball speed between the different shots is minimal, the position of the microphones indicates that shots 2 to 8 pass to the east of Trump’s microphone. The importance of the variation in tdiff is proportional to the deviation in the trajectory. By simulation I calculated the theoretical lateral deviation corresponding to the variation in tdiff for the 7 shots and the 5 recordings and for each shot I averaged the deviations over the 5 recordings.
The results are as follows in lateral deviation in meters towards the east at the podium level.
Shot 2: 2.2 m
Shot 3: 3.9 m
Shot 4: 4.1 m
Shot 5: 3.5 m
Shot 6: 4.5 m
Shot 7: 5 m
Shot 8: 1.4 m
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I might have to read that a few times and give it some thought, but that seems to be incredible and important work.
Ok so I tried to get ChatGPT to dumb it down a bit for me. What do you think of its explanation?
This is likely too complicated for me to replicate, but this could be very useful to this case. Is there anyway for a layman to verify your results?
I’d have to find all of the muzzle blasts and shock waves for each shot, measure the time difference between them and compare the results from each shot. I should expect your shots with the biggest distances to have the smallest time difference, right?
But how do I work out the exact distance from shot 1 once I have the time differences for each of the next 7 shots? Is there a formula or something?
And what of the bullet speed factor? How do we know how much impact that has? I don’t know much about guns. Is it safe to assume the speed difference between bullets is minimal and not really a factor?
Does it sound like I am wrapping my head around this? I think I am, but I’m not sure.
I am quite confident that shot 6 is the one that hit Corey. If this is true, I should expect a bullet path 4.5m east of Trump’s ear to line up with where Corey was, right?
The sonic booms of the projectiles can only be heard on the recording of the stage microphone and on Dave Stewart’s recording.
The sonic boom of the 6th shot cannot be heard on the stage recording because the projectile hit Comperatore and therefore did not fly past the microphone.
You must also publish your raw data and the calculation method for your results.
I think that your results must be wrong, because they are based on 5 recordings, although the sonic booms can only be heard on 2 recordings and you have found a result for shot 6, although its sonic boom cannot be heard at all on the stage recording.
Then the distance between the impacts (Dutch and Copenhaver) of shot 2 and 3 should have been greater than 1.7m.
Does this match the video recordings at all or does this show the inaccuracy of your method?
No. He said he had been told that. It is another question wether he beleives or not.
Who did tell him, that should be the first question.
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Right.
Yes it should, and also why that person would say that.
And the owner is this guy right? The CEO?
https://www.crunchbase.com/person/henry-dimmick-41c2
And that’s him on the left apparently?
How did it (AI) know the shift was eastward?
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@phiphi-the-frenchie “told” it that. I just pasted his comment and asked chatGPT to simplify it