The Totalitarians won’t Stop Until one of us is Destroyed

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I was just thinking about crystallizing it like that. The environment has become too complex, too many expectations, and everyone has immediate access to “all the information in the world.” They have created an environment that leads to the backlash of “please take my freedom away!”

I have to think about helicopter parents, who essentially are playing out on their children what has been done to us all. My sis in law has both of her children, one in college, on a very short leash, constantly tracking them on GPS.

My son at the age of 18 had the entire state of California to play in at his will, with zero supervision. He blew up condoms with young Hollywood stars, saw roommates having sex on the couch, explored every rooftop of USC, went to bars while his friends did LSD and went to the S&M club meetings (you heard that right) just to get free ice cream. He lived with sexual deviants and abusive people. He learned his edges, made good choices, drove his drunk friends home, and I am proud of him. Did I mention sliding down hills in Peru?

He also came out of there voting Democrat, but he is wisening up now.

My father was a real man, almost got killed in WWII, his back was deformed with scars and he saw his friends get blown up on suicide missions (yes, that is a little-known story about the Sea Bees dismantling electronics in the South Seas). His grandson deserves to follow in his footsteps, a man who can take care of himself and others, and isn’t shocked by anything. Someone who can stare the enemy in the face and knock his lights out.

The apocalypse ain’t for little weenies with no life experience.

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…and that’s the stuff my son told me about, we have an unusually close relationship. The S&M club was allowed to exist under a thin veil of another name and seduced students with the free ice cream. My son found the thing distasteful, fortunately, and said the members were creepy. Not an environment for every young person. “Oh baby baby it’s a wild world.”

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As we dive deeper into our technocratic totalitarian mass psychosis, I find I prefer autonomous vehicle AI (and some robotics eg robots in the garden) for its demonstrable need to go beyond the totalising narrowing rationality hallucinations of AI LLMs applied to synthetic worlds of language and psychops in order to humbly deal with real world complexities of operating directly in life and nature. Even better when applied to create beauty, serve optimising conditions for life and under governance of humans operating from heart in rich relations to each other and the environment where there is obvious synergy between human sensibilities and right brain creativity and the mechanical left brain precision AI models of surfaces and earth. So i make my coin in oz mining but aspire to ecological landscaping, having recently completed my permaculture design course and built first precision clay dam, swales, keylines and earthship home.

So last week when my steve irwin type croc hunter friend who is married to female chief in dayak headhunters, announced he had found threatened new species of pygmy elephants in deepest borneo jungles and asked for help building dayak managed refuge and eco park to protect a herd, I put license to operate proposal on table with miners to expand gold mine rehab project already turned into rhino refuge into showcase for autonomous earthworks in creating eco tourist site of incredible beauty within striking distance of construction for new national capital.

Miners delight at project but had withdrawn having finished existing phase of mine rehab so i may need another site. Kalimatran regional government coming to oz in december and local raja who sponsors royal reserve if anyone in oz interested. Is this really license to operate community work, showcase of autonomous earth intelligence in capital construction under guise of eco tourism or really a reeducation camp for mechanical totalitarians? Send em out to the loving jungle care of our head hunters, the marvel of pygmy elephants and humility of garden robots to reengage with the mystery of life beyond. Think the latter drives me (autonomously - with a bit of earth intelligence).

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Sorry for being long-winded, but this has been a very emotional meditation for me. When my father’s Sicilian immigrant parents came here, they did not know what they would be asked to do. 2 sons sent to war, both almost killed and traumatized. Their great-grandson would also be sent to war, but one of a different kind.

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Good and vibrant discussion, thanks. Look into any coffee shop, subway train, even restaurant table, and we see the atomized individuals on their devices, bonding with some platform while sealing themselves off from their neighbors and family. The Controllers control with top-down propaganda and nudgings, which atomized isolated individuals can’t run by others to challenge or debunk or mock. Afraid to ask or voice their doubts, they don’t, and double down on the rah rah rah.

The power of public gatherings of truth-seeking people seeking is that they can see that they are not alone. The power of family and church or groups of friends or workmates is they have the wisdom of their small crowd with which to smell out the bullshit together. Consequently, totalitarians always seek to destroy those human bonds to replace them with the abstract uniform bonds of the mass formation.

Re the willing suicide of people in the grips of MF, the historic poster boy for that is Nazi propaganda minister J. Goebbels, who, with the war lost and Hitler dead, killed himself, his wife, and his many children because he could not bear to think of his little kids alive in a world without the Furhur.

The Tower of Babel was the original globalist uniglot power-grab: one people, one language, hubristically storming the heights of heaven … Harari before Harari … a wary God confused their voices and the tower project stopped … so too now, we need to stop the totalitarians from seizing control of the internet and purging out all truth and dissidence and replacing it with brain-numbing and creativity-destroying univox and unithink. Pride before the fall – presuming that we have it all figured out, when of course we don’t.

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terrific discussion, terrific summary. Butterfly effect thesis encouraging. presumably works within all complex dynamical systems, with the caveat being that our social systems have been substantially degraded from how they should function naturally by the atomization and reliance on mass media, including social media and the reduced contact/awareness of nature and ‘the real world.’

“Butterfly” amplification presumably functions via complex positive feedback effects, what if these have been greatly squelched? Same applies in the moral/spiritual spheres - what if not enough people are still able to resonate?

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Extraordinarily, refreshingly, good, Chris! From time to time, here, I’ve hinted at my experiences and beliefs, but it can be a fine – and potentially dangerous – line between being aware of something beyond the “rational” and losing rationality!

I like your “theory” that (paraphrasing from memory) “we are at the end of a multi-thousand year” control cycle. That echoes of the Eastern “Kali Yuga” framework, although you may not have meant anything so mythical.

I would be interested in you speaking more about your “theory”. I have been thinking similar thoughts for a while – like 10 years – perhaps partially from hanging around here. For me, it is essential that humanity breaks out of what I often call the “Time Machine” Eloi/Morlock dichotomy, and finds another way than “government” as we know it.

Also, it is hopeful to recognize that there are actually millions of “time travelers” beyond the one in the book. Time to do something different and test the edges. I’m very happy about the Trump respite, but I seriously doubt WW4 is over after just this one voting battle. Put differently, some of us were a bit fooled by the 2015 election, and allowed ourselves to entertain the idea that maybe we could go back to the “normal”. Have you ever written anything trying to more precisely identify the human and institutional lynch-pins in this whole frazzle?

On the positive side, I appreciate you and Desmet making clear how it can be relatively “easy” to re-jigger reality with individual intention and action. I didn’t fall into the full Covid narrative, but it definitely shook my comfort zone. I’d almost forgotten how it used to be when I would really concentrate my focus, holding nothing back, and “weird” coincidences would happen rather routinely. Maybe I need to unplug a little more and try harder to get back to first principles?

As this mash-up of two films reminds us, we’ve had repeated warnings about trusting in

Kansas

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Many people often query why the Elites need to obtain our “Consent”?

Apparently, the Zhuang minority people of Binyang County, Guangxi Province, China believe (at least as late as the Cultural Revolution) that you can’t consume another person’s vital energy by eating his liver unless you get his consent first while he’s still alive. Does this make any sense?

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Rationality must always be tied to the truth which reality dictates. We fight against a faith which has abandoned the worship of truth for the worship of rationality, confusing the latter for the former. Untethered, they row ever harder into absurdity, thinking their paradise lies just over the next horizon.

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It’s good to see Chris and Mattias coming to the concept of Lucifer, who’s the guy running things in the background (the bad things and people, that is), and who has been for millennia.
His plan has always been to turn us into mindless slaves, and this conversation between Chris and Mattias has shown that he’s still in play, and hasn’t changed his objectives.

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Excellent discussion. Really in tune with what’s going on. I might have more to say tomorrow, but still on the road. Mattias’s observation about the issues with rationality seem especially important and quite central.

Will finally have a pause in my travels tomorrow for a week or so! Should give me the time to write up some things I’ve been thinking about since the summit that overlap with this discussion.

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Please post the website of the CIA provoked wars.

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Thank you Chris for sharing this conversation with us.

I saw Matthias when he was making the rounds after he published The Psychology of Totalitarianism. I’ve always been fascinated by the subjects of Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism/Communism, and the psychology of crowds. Throw in a recent conversion of faith and Desmet has my attention.

In his previous interview he seemed almost reluctant to cross the metaphysical Rubicon, but in this interview he hits you square between the eyes with it. It shows that he has been in some deep thought on the spiritual side of things. Maybe I’m living in an echo chamber, but it seems like many people are coming to similar conclusions. Kind of an “all roads lead to Rome” situation. I find it improbable that so many people are awakening and making this journey, seemingly all at once.

We’re living in interesting times!

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Something else was successful and forgotten around the same time as the mind control experiments: Weather manipulation.

Mass formation isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. Like bacteria forming a biofilm is a step toward an organism, mass formation is a step toward a swarm.

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Great conversation and catalyst for thinking about how to spend the small but precious “free time”. Fighting a root cause, ugly structure like AIPAC or trying to build something local and real. Is first responsibility to the system and our future or is it to self actualization and building something local.

What is a rationale response in an irrational period of time?

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Hey George. My default answer to your question I apply to many aspects of my life: Living as a human is a balancing act. I fired off some emails to my Fed representatives last night regarding missiles to Ukraine. Waste of time? Maybe, but it felt like I fulfilled an obligation as a citizen. I also did some housework and yardwork yesterday which was needed and felt good to complete. Balance. I do trust we’ll all do OK…

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I’m currently halfway the workshop series with Professor Desmet, time for a first report.

During my life I have been exposed to hundreds of thousands worth of dollars on training, both engineering and managerial. I have never been in sessions like the ones with Mattias Desmet. Chatham House Rules apply so I cannot say who said what nor disclose other participants.

The common ground that drew many to the workshop is twofold… the push from the experience during the Covid Pandemic is one. Just the words “Covid” or “lockdown” or “vaccine” will trigger vehement discussions. The pull seems to be the search for truth and a way to achieve truth.

The interview with Chris contains a lot of elements the workshop elaborates further on. Mattias is working on a new book and chapters of the draft book are used as background text and reading material.

The amount of subject knowledge in Mattias’ head is astounding, as is his ability to pull out facts, references and anecdotes from his practice as a therapist and connect them to his theory in real time. It is work in progress and during the workshop experiences and insights from the participants are eagerly absorbed and applied.

There are no big slide decks, no course book and there seems to be no structure. Desmet sits on his chair and talks quietly, or stands up and orates intensely. Yet during the first two days the structure slowly shows. There is a careful build up, both in theory and in the very simple but in no way easy exercises.

We are halfway through the theory and the big picture emerges. The effects on my daily life become visible, I truly view conversations differently.

Lastly, just like here at PP, there is a big sense of community facilitated and stimulated by Professor Desmet. Attendees meet outside of the course days to practice and reflect on exercises. Someone said that it was so refreshing to be able to interact with like-minded people, that the confrontation with the banality of the masses outside was almost unbearable. It’s like being the Remnants in a different form.

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That’s something I’m really noticing these days. I feel like 1 out of 10 people seem to be aware that things are f*cked but none of them want to start shit with the other 9 who “want their cage” as someone recently put it.

I happened to read Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut a few months ago and this is a book written by a WW2 vet who is supposed to come back to America and fit into corporate culture after seeing the real world.

That book makes me think its always been like this and we are just noticing it now because of some large scale events that we were all forced to watch together.

Can you imagine being a “normie”? 3 years ago you are buying a Tesla because you want to be seen as a progressive person who is not part of the problem. Now your Tesla is being rolled into the river because you are taken as a fascist nutjob MAGA supporter.

As hard as events are on us it must be truly disturbing to go through life doing as your told only to have the rug pulled on you over and over.

There must be some comfort they get from staying part of the bait-ball but man… dont they wonder at all?

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That’s one heck of a first post. :clap::clap::clap:

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