It’s a shame what’s happened in Israel. Years ago, in talking with an Episcopalian, turned Anglican bishop, he was troubled by what’s happened in Israel. He said the people who lived there together got along pretty well and it wasn’t until international interference that animosities were built. He said Muslim, Coptic Christian and Jewish people all lived together fairly peacefully. And why shouldn’t they, having a common root through Abraham.
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I am 180 degrees away from your views on this.
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Israel is making lifetime and even generational enemies out of all of its neighbors who are breeding faster. This is a strategic, guaranteed-to-lose blunder. What’s the plan? Outfight everyone forever? It’s such a colossal error it’s hard to fathom.
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Bibi injected and boosted the entirety of the Israeli population with the death jab probably killing 10’s of thousands and maiming 100’s of thousands.
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10/7 was totally allowed to happen by Israeli intelligence and border security.
How you spin that into some sort of monolithic care and concern for ‘its own people’ is rather beyond me.
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Agreed, it feels like the US is about 30 years behind the Middle East with some international force creating chaos and building the narrative that the land was stolen. How long before half of LA looks like Gaza? Inhabited by a bunch of helpless victims that need handouts to survive and prevent them from rioting and destroying everything.
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Yes, and that’s the locals, with their degrees in Comparative Native American Literature, big belly rolls and thighs that rub together when they walk. Their various illnesses and ailments (some real, some made up, all self or pharma inflicted), their entitlements and egos and their obsession with looking after their mental health (read - not doing anything they don’t want to do).
The collapse of the west will be multifaceted and is unfixable for various reasons.
Yeah, saw some of the same signage at gatherings yesterday. Some say it means “kill” he who should not be named. Others say it just means get rid of him, get him out of office. We all know some people may mean the former, but Merriam-Webster says it’s a slang term that means “to throw out”, “to get rid of” or “to refuse service to”. I think that’s the way most people mean it in this case.
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You’re justifying the suffering of the people of Gaza because they “made poor choices in leadership”. What is the difference between you and those that said the same about the victims of 911?
Yeah, i’m not sure how anyone could spin this as a positive for Israel. Bibi is creating and setting up the series finale of The Walking Dead for Israel. If it’s not the CV19 Vax with the sicknesses and deaths that does them in, then it could be Big Brother experiencing what Scott Bessent told the public, that US debt is unsustainable, i.e. crash and collapse.
As long as Big Brother is around, then Israel can fight off the angry hordes. When Big Brother can’t come to the rescue then it will be Israel’s worst nightmare created by Bibi. And it is a scenario mentioned by others like geopolitical professors, Jeffrey Sachs and John Mersheimer as well as Scott Ritter and Lt Col Douglas McGregor.
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I know this isn’t your pic, but…
On the other hand, some people who are “close to death” (a little presumptuous there, aren’t we “2afangirl”?! 
) at least got off their ass and stood up for what they believe in. They may be pretty clueless on some level, but exercising their right to free speech is key.
FWIW, I also saw a lot of Trump supporters at the same gatherings yesterday. Everyone was just standing in their own truth and waving their own flag, no problems. Some of the loud honking was also for them.
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Donald Trump the peace president 
I couldnt find words why this anti israel criticism bugs me. This words it right, big similar problems right next to our cities. I see Chris and others seem to miss this view. Allan tried to bring this viewpoint into discussion.
Otherwise we are no better than what mainstream media feeds put on our plate.
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Well, if they were hoping for riots in Philadelphia to rival L. A. they were sorely disappointed. It was a bust, riot-wise. The Phillies’ World Series parade and the Eagles’ Super Bowl parade were much worse, and those people were happy and celebrating.
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Israel is out of control by asking DJT to eliminate Iran’s Supreme Leader. Unfortunately we have too many warmongers in the US Gov’t who say and do what Israel wants.
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@chrismartenson: So this feels like a socialist slash communist movement. It’s obviously, you know, freedom from religion. So it’s got, it’s got a little atheist socialist communist kind of a vibe.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment of socialist/communist, but I often remind my husband that while it’s easy to generalize, we should be careful about stereotyping.
During Covid, you shared a NY pastor telling her congregation that it was their Christian duty to get the CV shots (and make sure everyone around them did as well), and more recently, a minister (Episcopalian? Apologies if I’m mis-remembering) who was calling for violence against our current federal administration (or was it Musk?). Not very Christian of them. While some people choose to answer to a higher power, others uphold their own moral code (the remnant!), helped by like-minded folks no matter their religious persuasions. We don’t want our country to become even more divisive by using the stereotypical “blame game” when we’re on the same team: integrity!
On a brighter note, Happy (American) Father’s Day, Chris, and to all the dads out there!
Chris, can you please take a moment to explain something to me?
Anyone can see that No Kings was pushing an anti-Trump narrative. That was (at least on paper) the main point of the protests on June 14. Anyone can also see that they are funded by some big players, some of whom have connections to large organizations. I agree that this raises a LOT of questions related to money and power.
My question is about what possible agenda they might have about seeking disruption to achieve what you are calling “other, larger aims”. Can you give me an example of some possible other, larger aims?
I’m also particularly interested in the question of paid protesters at a larger protest like this. Are these the individuals who might actually cause the disruption on behalf of (for lack of a better way of saying it) No Kings?
I’m asking because - while I can certainly imagine that there could possibly be disruption - I’m trying to understand what the underlying motive might be in the long run, a motive other than trying to get Trump out of office that is. I guess I don’t understand how it serves the cause of the No Kings movement to (in a hidden agenda way, of course) encourage violence or unrest. Wouldn’t that just be more reason for crack-downs on people and things of this nature?
I’m not naive, but I’m not sure that I’m understanding how No Kings is actually working to this end (or what end they may be working towards) here. Are all the protesters merely pawns in this game?
I sincerely want to understand this, so any talking points that you - or anyone else here who wants to chime in - can offer or point me to so I can discuss this with my neighbors would be greatly appreciated.
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- Paralyze Trump’s agenda with distractions so he doesn’t do anything effective to diminish the power and cash flows of Big Pharma, MIC, corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, MSM, Big Ag, etc.
- Build the narratives and voter enthusiasm to get the Democrats back in power in ‘28.
- Keep as many illegal migrants in the US (especially the ones they can count on to perform violence upon command/innuendo) to vote for Democrats, do their bidding on the streets, and answer Census questions to maintain the 10-20 Congressional seats they would lose without them.
- Failing the above, cripple and destroy enough of the US so they can Build Back Better (more tyrannical, more communist, more gun-controlled, more drugs (legal/illegal), less Christian, less Constitutional, less free).
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Thanks, this was helpful.
The challenge here is that all of these points are actually seen as ‘good’ and ‘positive’ by the majority of those who protested. It’s kind of a catch-22. I’ve tried to at least engage in meaningful conversation with some of my neighbors who attended on Saturday…just so we can at least pick some of these pieces apart…but I’m seeing there’s no real starting point.
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Yes.
But could we also say it might have been an alarming display of mental illness?
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I get what you’re saying and how you mean this, but (IMHO), this isn’t the whole story, sketchy.
Some people (including some really good friends of mine) honestly believe that they are doing the right thing. Because I know some of these people personally and have been asking them directly what they are thinking and how they are seeing things, I think I understand - at least on a very basic (yet I’ll grant you, also somewhat naive) level, they honestly believe that they are standing up for what they believe in (aka, ‘democracy’, at least their definition of it).
To me, this is not any different than someone standing on a corner waving a giant Trump flag all day long, or maybe what was going on in the minds of select J6-ers. Each person believes what they believe to be ‘the truth’, and is acting accordingly.
Unless you (read: throwing this out there to anyone, not just directed at you) are actually engaging (or at least striving to engage in) honest, civil, meaningful conversation with others who do not see things as you do, there can never be any genuine understanding. Personally, I am not interested in the ‘he said she said us vs. them’ mentality. It gets us nowhere.
I do believe in the basic premise that Trump is acting like he’s a king at times. While I did not support, nor participate in, the No Kings protest last Saturday, I do not support a lot of what Trump is doing right now (really don’t care for the man), and believe that this administration is leading us in the general direction of authoritarianism on various levels and in ways that are not always visible. I am more interested in finding a counter balance to all of this than expressing ‘hooray for our side’…which is what I feel protesting is (especially now with big backers running the show), regardless of the ‘side’ one is on at any given moment.
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My thoughts exactly! Now, we have a threat of a king? Really?
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at this point ~5 years in… they are likely too far gone…
brainwashed/ in a cult etc…" its more a religion to them now…any data you present will be countered or ignored… I have friends who had friends and family pass away at an alarming rate who still wont hear one negative piece of data about the jab… My buddies wife was one of those… until she had pretty severe side effects… Now she and her family have had enough jabs…BUT… she thinks that everyone else should go and get up to date on the boosters… to keep protecting her family. It doesn’t matter if its jabs, BLM, Ukraine, transgender, Trump derangement syndrome, Elon etc… same illogic applies.
Just to put in context… pick a random religion…and walk into their church and try to convince them their religion is wrong and yours is right or if you are an atheist that is there is no god… how many receipts and data do you think you would need to bring to be successful? or is it more likely eventually you would be thrown out in anger?.. its kind of of the same thing in their minds… thats the best way to think of it…
and all of this chaos is to collapse all countries to bring about Agenda 2030… a one world government… from the UN and WEF. they have a plan and website where you can read all about it…and over the last 5 years…we can see sooo much coming true
and despite the utopia rainbow and unicorns… the real end state is a a small # of Elite Kings who rule the entire earth… and a reduced number of slaves living at survival level… all this chaos is to put the control mechanism in place to achieve that globally…Covid was the kick off …The Great Reset… you can even read a book about it published by Klaus himself
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