would not trust TMZ (if that’s the TMZ i am thinking of)
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Only two cents?
you cant get change back.
(wink)
The simulations and models here where I work, are only as good as the input.
The problem is the hidden variables, those nasty things like temperatures, dirt, surges, humidity and outdoors, wind.
(some undetermined- and volume)
So at work, I roll my eyes at the young engineers come and wave computer simulations under my nose and say, “I have proof”.
Any of the afore mention variables can alter the results. We can’t ignore them. but it does get us close.
Most scientific dudes (PhD) don’t like their ideas or theories questioned. Its good to hear you contain and move on.
and have many worded explanations like mine to say something that could be said in fewer.
sorry, but I do like your posts.
K
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I don’t believe anyone is investigating this and the zombie public has moved on from it to watch Kardashian reruns. We need to find out what’s behind that vent. If there’s a 2000-pound boiler up against it, we can stop wasting brain energy, but if it’s accessible that would be another check in the “still viable” column.
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I checked the LIDAR data too and it really does not make much of a difference.
each system has a certain bias and offset.
as long as you stick to one system to compare relative heights and keep the offset in mind with respect to a reference point, different systems can be combined in parallel.
if you look at the excel sheet I posted earlier today, you will see that I do not compare the three models with each other, but only look at the internal differences, and these should be very accurate within the system itself:
- as long as you compare GPS coordinates (lat, lon, alt) with other GPS (lat, lon, alt), you will be fine
- the same goes for the google earth data that I use in my model
- and the same goes for the values roger uses
but none of the (lat, lon, alt) values of any of these 3 things can be compared directly:
- the distances measured in the GPS-based system can be compared to distances in the google earth based data and even in the system used by roger
- the same with heights and angles
it took me over 1.5 weeks to get from roger the decimal values in feet, so now it is possible to compare apples with oranges, and what do we learn from this comparison?
in roger’s model, the shooter from the roof shot downwards, which automatically invalidates all speculation that there might have been a vent shooter, as the vents are BELOW the roof where the roof shooter may have shot from…
I have been using gps and galileo devices for car-2-car communication and car-2-infrastructure projects something like 20 years ago, and they turned out to be reasonably usable, except in areas where there is lots of iron (e.g., train stations) and close to buildings, as these devices triangulate their position based on enough stations in view.
I could easily fake my location by putting the receiver near a wall opposite an open window, and that would result in a triangulated location that was about 200 yards outside the building…
it was also easy to counterfeit gps data (not gallileo data) by recording it and playing it back inside a car, which is, e.g., handy if you want to avoid gps-fence based toll collection 
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thanks for the appreciation.
yes, it is a two sided sword…
the problem with this forum is that many people here have a very diverse background and the subject matter that is discussed is very fragile.
it is mostly semantics that undermine the good understanding because someone assumes they know what something means where they do not sufficiently, so I prefer to not be misunderstood and go for the more elaborate version…
and often that may end up in a longer message than originally anticipated, but so be it…
with models it is garbage in, garbage out and people do not realize that the outcome of a model does not apply to any generalisation whatsoever of its outcomes…
I prefer total transparency and that is why I provided to you all the kml file I have generated (i.e., I automated its generation 
) so that everybody who wants to have a look at it can have a look at it…
that is very different to the approach that you may have observed is expected in this forum: if you do not ask for a particular reference with the appropriate reference number, you will never get anything that can be validated…
meanwhile, I know why the actual sources and references are kept hidden: a snake oil selling judas goat has taken an authoritative position…
one ring to rule them all…
in several of my posts I have made it very clear that it simply does not make sense to use two pseudorandomly chosen points in 3D space (e.g., Trump’s ear and “the” impact point at the railing to deduce any conclusive analytic outcome, but confirming that would simply undermine every previously hallucinated outcome from that model, and in order to avoid that that comes to light, I get gas lit
we will see how this situation evolves…
Can you explain why? The first thing I noticed a while ago that TMZ-videos didn’t play at this site (that changed). The second was that they censored one particular important video. Therefore I was also less inclined to trust their then newly obtained “new angle” video on the southern bleacher. Obtained by whom …
I approach the audio in a less technical sense, although I do appreciate and believe that a highly technical breakdown of the timing and characteristics of the sound waves proves what the human ear can relatively easily identify.
I recall watching the immediate aftermath, moments before the event unfolded, and identifying 4 different guns. While it was very confusing in the aftermath, I had initially assumed 1 shooter and 3 different law enforcement taking him down. With more information, it’s now clear to me there were 2 different law enforcement shots, but clearly there are 2 different sets of shots by two different weapons in 2 different locations (and by default 2 assassins).
It is correct to dismiss the cruiser dashcam for anything more than the number of shots, because cars are heavily insulated and muffle sound. Anyone can watch police dashcam videos of shootings and the guns will all sound the same due to this insulation.
I’m in the camp that the deep state put this in motion with an MLK Ultra type asset (they have them all over the country on standby), provided training and instructions, and paved the way for Crooks to access the roof. There’s no other plausible explanation that lines up with the SS/Police having the worst security day in 62 years, and a simultaneously lucky break that a random assassin who has trained for a year just happens to infiltrate all security and wander around for hours and get on a roof with an AR15 within shouting distance of Trump. Incompetence is insufficient to explain the LEO failures, including a video where a man points to Crooks on the roof to an officer who simply turns and walks away totally uninterested. And the bewildering inability for a dozen officers to locate and stop Crooks, and the bewildering lack of counter snipers on that rooftop and for those in the 2 story position, their inexplicable abandonment of counter sniper posts during the exact 5 minutes Crooks needed to get on the roof and in position. It’s all beyond gross criminal negligence (that got a person killed, many injured) to the point of aiding the assassin.
And, now we’re down that path of putting this in motion and aiding him, then it is hard to conclude that the deep state would place all their chips on Crooks’ success. No, it only then makes sense that they would emplace a professional assassin in close trajectory proximity with Crooks with the same weapon, to ensure the job was done right and so that when Crooks was killed he’d be the fallguy patsy.
I see no other reasonable, plausible explanation. Very little of what we know of Crooks and his equipment and unfettered access and training every week for a year (IED van, rangefinder, drone, etc.) adds up.
There are two most probable locations to my mind, and where I would have staged a professional, and I’m about 50/50 on these positions now. We do need more evidence.
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Rooftop of the 2 story AGR building about 300 feet behind Crooks, that offers the same basic elevation and trajectory and only I think 3 meters taller. It was easily accessible, provided excellent observation and escape, had a façade on the parking lot side to provide for concealment, and a person in a white Tyvex suit with a white rifle could have hidden there for hours, observed the security, crown, Trump taking stage, and Crooks getting into position. Then fired 3 well aimed shots, and escaped in the confusion while Crooks fired his shots and was ended.
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A concealed position in AGR#6 attic area using the ventilation caps as a shooting lane. This is most supported by unaccounted for time and inexplicable disappearance of Nicols and his partner, with the former being gone some 6+ minutes and appearing 2 minutes after the shooting at the front door to AGR6. Makes one suspect he was guarding the access while his partner was getting into position, shooting, and exfiltrating.
I feel it necessary to state I’m an experienced gun owner for over 2 decades, including lots of AR15s and training and shooting experience, and qualified sharpshooter and expert on the M4 (AR15) in the Army and have multiple combat deployments. I’ve shot and am familiar with almost every modern firearm, how it sounds and operates.
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I understand. the exact height of T ear, and the handrail, while yes, you can Trig that out. But we can’t know those two factors. Guessing won’t do. even a broken watch is right two times a day.
one ring to rule them all…
Yes, JRR Tolkien understood humanity. He saw it.
-K
Hey @greg_n now that we know where the 9th shoot came from. You can calibrate the location of the other souces at that time. this will give better accuracy for the other shoots.
Bodycam: Butler SWAT Hit Trump Shooter Before Secret Service Snipers (youtube.com)
Here is my best estimation of his position:
586760.09 m E; 4523424.99 m N; 1338ft+5ft
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Thanks again Tim,
I agree with you about the two most likely explanations. The shooter on the two-story roof has trouble with snick-boom I think. There are some people working on that. That position would I think be possible for the other audio sources, with TMZ being the most troublesome.
The one in the attic can be aligned with all sources and the snick-boom crowd. I think that is my favorite in terms of likelihood.
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These are the two hypotheses I’m going with, too. The only reason I’m considering the taller building behind Crooks is because of the energy @howdoiknowthisinfo is putting into it. I don’t believe the shot came from there, however. You’d have to be a lunatic to think you could get away with it. I’d rather make a 400-yard shot from a more concealed location. The smallness and openness of the AGR property can’t be appreciated from the footage we’re seeing on the internet. Crooks was like “Where’s Waldo” popping up on everyone’s camera. That’s because the area is so small, open, and surrounded by people. The only ones who didn’t see him were Law Enforcement. It would be the same with additional rooftop shooters.
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this is an excellent point!
every anomaly and every remarkable observation in each of the audio recordings that is analysed must be given the necessary care and attention because these anomalies are the ones that support or undermine one or the other hypothesis!
in the sound analysis that Mike Bell discussed on his youtube channel he pointed out that both RealDjStew and the witnesses near the trees heard their first shots TOO EARLY when compared to the other recordings…
I believe that this observation supports my hypothesis that the first 3 shots were fired from the highest roof at the AGR parking…
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I go for the higher roof because of the simple principle that the simplest suggestion is more likely than the complex ones… the more assumptions are necessary, the lower its likelihood, and the highest roof is the first place many would come up with spontaneously…
my motivation is also fuelled by the effort people take to boycott and ridicule this effort…
I referred to the term misdirection many times, and that is for good reason: there is a snake oil promoting judas goat that stimulates everybody to focus on the vent hypothesis, and this option depends on the highest number of assumptions, and thus has the lowest likelihood of being relevant…
(I just noticed that my reply fits 1 screen let’s call that progress too )
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Not if they wanted to get away with it. I’d be like, “Oh, hell no!” If it has to be this property, I’m inside. If I have to be outside and I can pick the property…it ain’t this one.
This place is like a wormhole…I sit down for a minute and lose hours of my day. 
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tell me about it…
when I joined 2 weeks ago, I thought this was an open minded forum that would welcome my well documented view and consider it seriously…
only that simple observation that there is so much opposition for any other view than that that is pushed towards the vents is an indication that my view is more plausible than people are made to believe…
really remarkable…
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yes, but you look at it totally differently than myself…
it looks like you assume the attack was made possible because there were a couple of mishaps that happened and that, like with the aligned cheese hole principle of the airline disaster analysis, all the mishaps aligned by coincidence such that the attack was possible.
from my point of view, it was very well orchestrated and everything people assume went wrong was organized like that on purpose:
- the layout of the rally venue is exceptionally suited for a two shooter setup: the one on the lower roof pays the prize for what the one on the higher roof did;
- the misdirection ensured that everybody looked at the lower roof, which made it possible for the real shooter to get off the higher roof unnoticed…
- the secret service officers were not really up to snuff
- there were no eyes in the sky for a reason: if there had been drones or even CCTV, they would have noticed both shooters immediately, and it would not have happened…
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Do you have a route of how a person could have gotten on to or off of the higher roof?
yes, it is very easily accessed from roofs around that one…
have a look at Spa Guy’s drone footage in which he shows the path towards the lowest roof, and as it happens, this path passes by the high roof I have been mentioning since the start…
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I’m sorry, I’ve watched Spa Guy’s video again and I don’t see an easy access to the high roof from the west or south side (at least a six-foot difference to the next lower roof). But perhaps there are other access points to the high roof.