Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

I’m not going to get into a debate on this, I’m busy on other projects, and have already shared my detailed analysis of the AAR and the inaccuracies in it, including the 18:06-18:11 timeline entry, which rightfully should be 18:03-18:11, as my analysis explains. In short, both the Door 13 and 9 events occurred, and if you understand the inaccuracies in the AAR you can see how the 18:03-18:11 (corrected) includes the time for the Door 13 event, the description of going downstairs in building 1 from the Door 9 event, and the 1 marked and 1 unmarked car that applies to both events but given the notation on the timeline map is referencing the Door 13 event. That is all explained in my analysis.

I almost missed this. What evidence do you have for the time these vehicles arrived?

Look at the time stamp in the pic
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Look at the timestamp in this screenshot. They are, after all, just screenshots.

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Arriving at 19:04:38…

I didn’t say that. It’s a screenshot taken at that time.

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And here’s a pre-shooting screenshot. You’ll be hard pressed to find anything sooner since this is one the only 3 bodycams or dashcams that started before the shooting, and the only one that can see over the rise in the parking lot. But those two vehicles were present before the shots were fired at the very least.

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Sure.

Good point.

Difficult. Dayve opens his big mouth exactly at this moment.

Those cars are so far away they appear to be just parked at that place the Elantra was found.

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Dashcam audio. Good idea. I haven’t listened to it. On the dashcam video, the exchanges from the previous post happen between 18:13:50 and 18:14:15, but Greg moves away from Dayve’s camera towards door 9, so there could be more up until, say, 18:15:00.

Looks can be deceiving. I’ve provided 3 other screenshots recently showing those 2 cars in that location. The final one at 6:10 shows a white vehicle on the right and black on the left. Their size is larger than the cars behind them, thus closer, one of which is the red car seen parked across the street east of where the gray Hyundai was parked. It’s a valid inference that those are the same two vehicles seen about a hour later in other videos, even though it’s difficult to see them clearly.

I concur. There was some fine (combined) work done here and I believe there’s enough evidence to conclude. At least enough for my piece of mind. Great job everyone.

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But we all agree that there was no going downstairs in the 1-storey building 1 (building 1 in AAR = AGR6)?

Could it be that the two guys I pointed out at the very beginning in my Protocol of the last 3.5 minutes (the 2 guys who missed Crooks when he was at the first interconnection/AGR2) are somehow connected to at least one of these cars?

Quite a while ago I posted this (just an excerpt):

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Very well laid out and explained :clap:
Thanks for sharing your conclusion with us :+1:

I’m not sure if you looked into this, but have you got an exact time for the first shot being fired?

I go along, had the same assumption.

Please allow me to preface my answer with this, and I hate to keep pointing this out because I always catch flak for doing so by those who refuse to analyze the evidence [not implying you], that entry is very inaccurate and misleading. You have to look at that entry along with other related evidence to fully understand and unpack its inaccuracies and interpret it correctly.

Nicol at the time wasn’t sure what building number he was in, guessing it was building 1. The report writer likely just transferred that over to the report without giving it an ounce of analysis to determine if it was accurate.

So, in answer to your question, I believe Nicol went downstairs of the building he was in, which in his mind he thought was building 1, but was actually building 2 on the AAR timeline maps.

Before the naysayers claim that is ridiculous, put yourself in Nicol’s shoes. He goes out of his county to another to support a Trump rally, attends a morning meeting where he was provided an operational plan (seen taped to walls) that does not have building numbers in it (they were in the after-report), but building numbers were likely presented, and then goes to man his post inside a building he was very likely entering for the very first time.

I hope that answers your question. :wink:

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I recall your posting that and kept it in the back of my mind, and am holding onto your protocol maps, for when I get to part 3 of my timeline (sighting) analysis of the time Crooks was on the AGR ground before climbing on the roof, what I call “The Cat & Mouse Game.” Part 3 of that analysis, which I call “Catch Me If You Can,” covers 6:02 to 6:05. My third timeline analysis will cover the time on the roof up to the point of his being shot, his last sighting.

All that to say I have not been looking closely at that time period yet, as I am busy doing other things. So I’ll defer to your understanding of it for now. You have a far better handle on it than I do. :grinning:

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Thanks @sorey.

I have exact times for each shot for each microphone recording. Those timestamps are generally from the beginning of the recording. Those who deal regularly with video files may be able to answer whether there is metadata embedded in the files that allows translation from video time to clock time.

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There should be five volunteers who will make synchronized audio at stationary position. (And inform the police about the recording.)

I’m fine with this interpretation. But then it makes it weirder that Lenz (and the NYT) are claiming that the local snipers chose their own positions. Why are they doing that?

The local snipers decided for themselves the optimal places from which to watch the crowd inside the fenced-in security zone, Mr. Lenz said.

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Here you mistook the I (i) as a 1 in my opinion.
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The AAR is false in this point, plain and simple and obviously wasn’t properly reviewed before released.
But I fully agree that in reality Nicol went downstairs in building 2, where he was assigned/located in the 2nd floor.

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