Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

[greg_n]

@phiphi-the-frenchie please look at the bodycam footage yourself.
1302_202407131800_BWC2122104-0RATF.mp4

There is no audio for this, but the shooting starts at 2:45. So, shot 9 is at 2:51 and shot 10 is at 3:01. We only see one SWAT officer in this footage, and he stays behind the white truck, not near the light pole as you indicate with your results.

And I will simply repeat what I said earlier about shot 10. You show it coming from a location right in the middle of a packed audience. There is no way that a SWAT officer was standing there!

However, thank you (and Brian) for pointing me to the interview transcript. I just read pages 144-150 of “CS-Team-Lead_Transcript_Redacted.pdf” and found it very interesting to hear the SS counter sniper talk about what happened on the barn roof that day.

[kincses-zsolt]

@greg_n

There is no audio for this, but the shooting starts at 2:45.

He started running at 2:28, but we already know his clock is 12 sec ahead.

Perhaps he received the “got gun” message over the radio.

The first shot rang out at 2:43, and he quickly moves behind the big vehicle.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

Greg
I know it’s strange to get such a location for shot 10 but I repeat how I have proceeded:
I have synchronised the audio sources as you have done by supposing that shot 1 is from the place where Crooks died. That’s the only hypothesis I do.
I have used only audio sources with no ambiguity on the boom times that I use in my simulation. I don’t have to compute tdiff as you did by supposing that the shot comes from south barn and by supposing the ammo was 300 win which has the effect to add a bias in your simulation.
And I got a perfect convergence in a strange place so the only explanation that I see is: the first shot doesn’t come from Crooks location!

Or the audio files are all corrupted in the same manner but it’s impossible …

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

And about shot 9, I place it at (586756,4523424) and VT (on this forum) places it at (586762, 4523427) so there is about 7 m between them, not such a big distance taken into account the limited accuracy of the simulation.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

Greg

Look at this video

At 1:03, it you look frame by frame you can see the head of a sniper running on the red carpet and just after you can hear the shot 10.
Is it possible that it was that guy who fired the shot 10?

I have used the audio of that video in my simulation.

[kincses-zsolt]

I went back to the school, for a couple of lectures.

The Spectrogram and the Gabor Transform

Well, the result should have been a quadratic function of the frequency. But there is something more. Problem: when the period of time is not exact multiple of others. It does hallucinate other ferequencies - as I formerly thought.

Spectrogram Examples [Python]

[daniel59]

@greg_n

Three independent citizen investigators, all looking at gunshot timing data, came to the conclusion that shots 1-8 were fired from the same location.

How would you refute the following scenario?:

Crooks fired the first 3 shots with subsonic training ammunition. These projectiles had a high air resistance and were so light that they landed in the area between the two fences.

Crooks’ rifle was manipulated so that a radio signal was sent in time when he pulled the trigger. This allowed a rifle located in the rear two-story building to be fired at the right time through a very small hole in the front using a preset device.

The reports of shots fired from the rear building could have been as low as 20dB on Dave Stewart’s video recording.

As far as I know, there are rifles whose muzzle blast would be 130dB loud without a suppressor.

The distance to Dave Stewart’s microphone reduces the sound by around 40dB.

A normal suppressor can reduce the sound by 30dB.

The gun would have been fired in a windowless and additionally soundproofed room. This might have reduced the sound by a further 10 dB.

If an additional 30dB reduction was possible due to the very large suppressor (custom made, stationary, 1 yard diameter, 1 yard length), you would get about 20dB when the sound reaches Dave Stewart’s microphone.

In this scenario, the report comes from Crook’s weapon and the projectile that creates the sonic boom comes from another weapon.

Can you somehow rule out this scenario?

[kincses-zsolt]

@kincses-zsolt

I still work on the spectrogram problem.

First assume we study the same frequency. There is only one pure sine.

Convolate it with sine and cosine. We must normalize the equations to 1 squared.

We can get the angle shift.

There are four possibilities, now comes that razor for simplest way.

And there is an assumption. We must get 1 when we convolve with shifted phase sine, and there should be around zero when we convolve with shifted phase cosine. As usually within math examples, one must check the result. It seems people forgot that since they left the high school.

@sonjax6
Now comes the logical inference. We should skip the “hallucinated” spectral line when these conditions not hold. So now I have to check this assumption.

[kincses-zsolt]

Unfortunately the phase shift makes sine component to be extremely close to 1.

I should figure out another possibility.

[sonjax6]

There was important information in the transcript of the CAT Advance Agent, and I haven’t seen ANYONE else note it yet.

CAT-Advance-Agent-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

This is the counter assault team advance agent’s transcript, pages 42-43. This guy flew in to Pittsburgh with Trump but doesn’t appear to be part of Trump’s detail. Offstage announce is the tent that opens onto the catwalk that leads to the stage.

But he was WITH the Butler ESU asst commander during Trump’s rally, and so was a communications liaison, I didn’t know there was one outside of the local emergency operator.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/CAT-Advance-Agent-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

Witness -
"So briefed [redacted] again, just to make sure they were clear on what was expected. We went to offstage announce. Once we were standing at offstage announce, we wasn’t there long. Hercules come over, or counter sniper. Our Secret Service counter sniper come over [channel] and said, “Something going on at the three o’clock. It looks like” – and this is not a quote because I don’t remember exactly what was said. But something going on at the three o’clock, and it looks like officers are dealing with a situation out there.
At that point, when I heard that on the radio, I looked over at my counterpart [Butler ESU assistant commander], and I asked him, “What’s going on at the three o’clock? Are you hearing anything on the radios?” And he was sitting there

listening for a few seconds, and then he come over – he came back to me and said, “Well, it sounds like there’s a QRF enroute there.” And then I said, “What’s going on? Is it a fight? Is it a protest?” And then that’s when the shot – we heard the shots, literally in seconds. And that’s when we responded. "

HSGAC Majority - “And then understanding that it’s hard to remember specific timing, after you heard over [channel] that something was going on a three o’clock, and you asked the local officer if he was hearing anything, roughly how much time had elapsed at that point?”

Witness - “Seconds.”

HSGAC Majority - "Seconds. And then between when you asked him and he – roughly how much time was he listening on the radio before he relayed to you –

Witness - “Seconds. I mean, it was quick. Like it all happened very quick.”

End quotes from transcript
You will all, of course, recognize that this timeline is BS. Officer Collins had run to the west side of the AGR building, then got boosted to the roof, confronted “Crooks” and dropped down with 38 seconds to go. He radioed to somebody within 10 seconds - so there should have been a good minute warning of “something happening at the 3 o’clock” and almost 30 seconds of a clear radio message of a guy on the roof with a rifle.

[sonjax6]

CAT-Advance-Agent-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

From page 133:

PSI Minority:
"And the document coming around now is a local law enforcement radio log from the July 13th rally. And if you want to turn to page 12 of that, that’s where we’re going to focus our attention. "
…
"And about a third of the way down the page, at the timestamp that reads 18:11:24, and it’s right next to an individual named [PII] There’s a message that says, “They said he has a long gun. QRF from Command, you need to deploy to the AGR building. BT has a male on the roof with a long gun. They have made contact with him.”
So at 18:11:24. Is that about the time that you would say you turned to the local who was with you and asked, “Hey, are you hearing anything over the radio?”

page 134:
witness: Yes. A QRF – to me this is what he said. He said, “It sounds like they’re deploying a QRF to the three o’clock.”

By the way, the offstage announce is the tent that Mr. Trump and company are in immediately before he starts walking onto the stage.

To recap, this agent said that (from p.42) one of the secret service counter snipers told him “something was going on at the three o’clock” (which HE only knew from seeing local cops running around with guns drawn). Our witness asked his local partner for more information, and the partner listened for a few seconds on his radio, then said there was a QRF (quick response force) enroute there. Our agent claims the shots occurred almost immediately after he asked for clarification.

So the detailed info about a man with a rifle with 9 seconds to go got garbled down to a note about a “QRF” being deployed, with no communication from the locals to the secret service.

[sonjax6]

I thought I’d put stuff out here where it won’t be lost among pages and pages and pages of posts. Here’s Thomas Matthew Crooks’ autopsy:

Note the injury listed to the “right interior carotid artery and right internal jugular vein”. I’m no doctor, but the jugular is notorious for pumping a lot of blood, and one would think even a nicked carotid would cause spurting blood, a lot of it, much more than the smallish amount we saw oozing out of Crook’s wounds.

Note that 68 inches is 5’ 8", somewhat short by US standards. 167 pounds is a good 20 pounds over the reference weight for a man who is 5’ 8", indicating that if the height and weight were accurate, the man would have been either overweight or quite well muscled. Crooks clearly had a skinny build.
It’s hard to tell from what few videos and photos we have access to, but he appears to be on the tallish side. In particular, his legs look long in the video where he’s walking along the vendor row the afternoon of July 13.

[cmartenson (Chris Martenson)]

@sonjax6

It’s hard to tell from what few videos and photos we have access to, but he appears to be on the tallish side. In particular, his legs look long in the video where he’s walking along the vendor row the afternoon of July 13.

I thought he was taller too, but his graduation video shows him as not that much taller than the woman handing out the diplomas, which I might assume puts him in the 5-8 range?

Hard to say for sure:

[brenstrom (Beth)]

I gotta say one last time…I haven’t read yet, why Maxwell Yearick was summarily eliminated as highly suspect. Maybe I missed it. I have never believed Crooks was the attempting assassin of DJT.

Where’s Maxwell? His family filed a missing persons report within a day of Trumps near-assignation. Did they find the young Yearick?

[redranamber]

This would be page 12 of the radio log, containing said 18:11:24 log:

Interestingly, this particular log entry for 18:11:24 is on the Sheriff channel. Collins, talking about the long gun on the roof, on PD Ops 3, and talk about the QRF is on PD Ops 4. These are three different conversations taking place, they are not all communicating with each other directly on the same channel. And this is mere seconds before shots fired.

[vegaspatriot]

What vehicle do you believe Maxwell drove to the rally? My answer to your question would be different based on that vehicle.

[brenstrom (Beth)]

I have no idea what vehicle (if any) he drove. I believe one profile pic of the alleged shooter laying on the roof IS Yearick. No forensic proof, just going by looking at the photos. Yearick has a background that is questionable.

There were reports of the white van on the grounds being registered to his father in AZ. It was impounded. found with explosives several reported. What happened to it? How did dad’s van get to Butler PA? Etc. So that’s one very viable & suspicious connection. I did not chase connections at the shooting ranges where Crooks and Yearick were said to train together. I won’t list other connections…

I am simply curious how talk and info about him went to zero very rapidly, I think that was due to main stream narrative. And really sharp researchers on this thread also went quiet about it as well. There must be a good reason.

[vegaspatriot]

I’ll start with the beginning then. The Matthew Yearick connection started the day after. Roger Stone had a source that told him that’s who the shooter was.

More coming…

[cmartenson (Chris Martenson)]

@vegaspatriot

I’ll start with the beginning then. The Matthew Yearick connection started the day after. Roger Stone had a source that told him that’s who the shooter was.

I wonder how tall Yearick is/was?

[vegaspatriot]

@brenstrom

According to Steel Magnolia, Yearick was connected with the white van on around July 21st. I’m not sure yet who first connected the van to Yearick, but it had to do with the license plates.

https://x.com/SteelMagsTwit/status/1867348255895695553

This is the van and how it was pointed out to the police. (“My aunt went up to get the police at the end of her street as this van was parked out front of her house.”)

https://x.com/sjb2524/status/1816634010589642971

This is when the van arrived (9:10 pm) and was towed away (~Midnight).

https://x.com/sjb2524/status/1825644309321851193

More to come…