Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

I used the formula that @vt1 derived and made this Matlab function:
calc_Vb.pdf (226.3 KB)

I plugged in the locations for the wall_vent & podium and gave it the crack-boom times derived from analyzing the podium audio. The function then told me the bullet velocities needed to generate the measured crack-boom times.

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Sorry! I meant “validate” your work!

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you can edit your posts to correct it, he…

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No problem! I actually got a good chuckle out of your initial message! :slightly_smiling_face:

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@greg_n can you export the locations of audio sources and the locations of fire predicted and the times of each shoot on each audio sources?

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That’s a very good catch. I noticed when I watched the dashcam video that those shots sounded alike, and also noticed that that’s only video I’ve seen/heard where the two groups sound alike, but didn’t really think much beyond it. Do us all a favor, post this on a different thread here every day or so, and on other websites. Get the word out. I missed seeing this initially, even though I’ve been trying to track every new development.

This is strong evidence of doctoring, and not coincidentally this is only video provided by the Butler township police department that has sound during the period that shots are happening.

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I wish I could like this 1,000 times.

So, for all those who were decrying the possibility of a conspired assassination attempt, meaning it was so bad that it couldn’t have been a group effort: look at how bad they are at coverups.

Pitiful. Also, when listening to it organically I thought the dash cam sounded…odd.

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Let’s hope Rep. Higgins is just being conservative when he states that 8 shells were left on the roof and says Crooks fired all 8 shots

At this point if he were to suggest there were two shooter’s he’d be subjected to withering scorn and attacks, and might not survive re-election.

All members of the house are up for re-election. Of the senators that have been leading the charge, Josh Hawley is up for up for re-election, so he may need to be a little more cautious. Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley have more freedom to speak their minds.

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great work.
Still curious.
Could you possibly rerun the whole thing for 2nd floor open window as shooter.

Yes google map show elevation above sea level.

If you draw a path, u shud be getting an elevation profile window on right click as well.
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How does the shooter candidate location analysis change if assume two professional shooters, and that Crooks didn’t actually shoot at all?

I try to assess everything as if I’m on a jury and have to reach a conclusion based solely on the evidence presented (even if it may have been manipulated like the TMZ video). The only evidence presented that there’s a 2nd shooter is the echo data and the “experts” can’t even agree on it. If at trial there’d be equal experts for both sides confirming/disputing it. I don’t think it stands up.

The few other YouTubers that I follow favor the single-shooter scenario. Even many here believe this such as @greg_n who’s presented his research, and there may be something to Crooks changing position on the roof that made the first three shots sound different. I wish that could be researched better because we know he moved back. Also, I follow professional sniper Nick Irving and when he first listened to the audio, he said all eight shots were from the same gun.

I like your back-traced vent hypothesis, and that’s the area that jumps out to me, but many dispute it. Plus, we have limited evidence (only back-tracing) that shots were fired from there and I can’t form a conviction solely from this.

The only thing that keeps me from being 90/10 in favor of a single shooter is my gut feeling and distrust of the powers that be. It’s hard for me to fathom they’d go through all of this and trust Crooks to make the shot, but that’s where the current evidence leads me.

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Well, we can’t even figure out where to put a second shooter, much less a third.

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do you know Elisabeth Bik?

she is a full time fraud detective focusing on scientific papers.
most of the frauds she has discovered did not even require sophisticated tools or analyses of whatever data…

looking at power consumption traces, sound spectrum trails and even chemical and biochemical samples or “measurements”.

many times, the fabrications can be seen with the naked eye due to the copy/paste of the lazy fraudster that does not even bother obfuscating anything…

this is an interview with her.

the channel owner is a (by now) disillusioned behavioural scientist who started focusing on this topic as soon as his brain had arrived and he had come to the conclusion that certain “scientists” were very productive (some with scientific peer reviewed papers every 3-4 days for over a year, including weekends!) and some of the results were too good to be true…

he does not only focus on the soft sciences. also the harder scientific fields of physics and chemistry from all the ivy league institutions are guilty…

have a look at his channel: https://www.youtube.com/@PeteJudo1/videos

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if you look at the distance between the roof top and the location where his head is positioned, that implies that he must have been leaning high up (possibly even kneeling) to even see over the top of the roof…

in my tool, I can easily shift the shooting positions from which a ballistic trajectory starts… I will start from 5 ft more to the left until 5 ft more to the right of where he was shot dead…

Thank you for your honest feedback.

I have 4 arguments that are for the 2 shooters theory and frankly non for Crooks 8 shot theory.

  1. no echoes on shot 1-3 / 4 - 8 have echoes

  2. back traced bullet leads to building 6 wall and not to Crooks on the roof (three independent studies confirm this now)

  3. There is no video or picture evidence that shows Crooks firing the first shot. Where is the smoking gun?

  4. All videos that have been officially released seem heavily manipulated by covering up the vents with grey paint on building 6, especially 10 seconds before the first shot is heard. Is one of those vents open during shooting?

I think only time will tell, maybe a video shows up that debunks the above or a video shows up that confirms the above. I think we should all continue to search for the truth, what really happened on that day.

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Gary Melton is also a sniper, and he also believes the shots were fired from the same rifle.

a small addition regarding snake oil science: do you know Scott Adams?
every day he has a live podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@RealCoffeewithScottAdams).
in many of these, he assesses the garbageness of scientific studies that are celebrated in the news…

Scott Adams has come to the conclusion that

  • EVERY scientific paper that comes in the news is sheer nonsense and far from reliable
  • every presentation or documentary is unreliable as it made to convince the listener/reader/viewer/audience of the bias of the author or scenario writers

this is exactly why I do not keep things hidden and make my stuff available for public scrutiny by those who want and have eyes to see and ears to hear…

wrt the ones who ignore the stuff: that’s up to them…

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Well if you’re going to use weird visual issues as a guide, then 100% it’s the third window. Look at what happens to it after the shooting in the Stewert video.

There does not appear to be manipulation at the vents.

And that is why, ever since I saw the Stewert video, I have theorized the first 3 shots came from it. Plus, it aligns with Crooks, even more so than the vent.

All they needed was a temporary removable pane. That was it. Remove the pane, take the shots, put the pane back. It takes seconds. Nobody would be looking for that. Replace the pane with a permanent one that night. It’s literally so easy.

Stewert would be a video plant. He’s there to provide a video that can be manipulated before release and to make sure nobody is in front of AGR BUT him at the go time.

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note that this back tracing is based on 2 points in 3D space, and the exact position of neither of these points can be established:

  • based on his medical records, there are 3 official lengths for Trump
  • what is the offset between the top of his head and his ear?
  • what is the height of the podium?
  • where is the evidence for your value of the ground floor level, and do not refer to your youtube “manual” and the elevation profiles, because I showed you that even a flat road has a very bumpy elevation profile! show me the hard evidence which you use to base your ground floor levels on
  • two weeks ago, you claimed that the 2nd point on which you based your back tracing on was the exact corner of the right bleacher. that point has moved over various ft since, and still you come to the same vent…
  • the smallest offset in any of the two points you base your back tracing on should result in a totally different location, as these two points are very close, and building 6 is relatively far, but still you get at the same vent
  • you use fixed values for your heights and horizontal offsets

and you refuse to show the 3 independent studies that you claim confirm that your 3d back tracing model has any value…

so, as long as you do not provide evidence for the abovementioned points, the alleged outcomes of your alleged model are opinion and not reliable results from any tool whatsoever…

Hi Bumblebeeez,

I must agree with you that window 3 is very strange. When the horse goes by and up to 10 seconds before shooting you see Window 3 with a rope and the reflecting read barn.

Exactly 1 second before shooting you see that the rope is gone, and the reflection is completely different. Is this the temporary panel you are referring to?

I think this theory has been put into the red zone by Chris, because simply the window is too low, you would have the fence in the way and many people. Also, the back traced bullet does not show the origine that low….
But I must agree with you, something is really strange with window 3.

You don’t think vent 3 seems to be manipulated? I added the real picture that we should be seeing…

The top portion of that window is not too low.

I think:

“Panic” cop and Stewert clear the fenceline one last time. “Get out of the way” “Make yourself small, bro”

Shots are fired. Stewert cam conveniently behind tree.

The lights that appear to be inside after (not the SUV) would be a signal: window pane reset, rifle on its way back up to the nest, we’re clearing out, good to go.

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