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The Great Reset sounds like a conspiracy theory. Remember that humans are a species. They will always behave like humans, collectively. Individuals may occasionally be seen doing something rational but let’s not fool ourselves that humans, generally, will always act like humans unless their environment changes forcing a behavioural change. If I’ve got this wrong, I’d love to be corrected.

Lets face it, whatever package they present to you will have the same stuff inside. I dont care if they call it socialism, great reset, agenda 21, environmental accords, etc,etc
Its only going to go one way until the entire power structure has flipped upside down. Right now those at the top making the decisions have never been more powerful int he history of humanity. The idea that they are going to make “changes” that take anything from them to benefit you is moronic.
Whatever they present to you for the “good of mankind” is the same warmed over shit sandwich in a different color bag.


If I've got this wrong, I'd love to be corrected.
You've got this wrong. Here's the website. And a video from 2016 to get you rolling. WEF (the proponents of the Great Reset - the billionaires who meet at Davos every year) deleted this video from their twitter feed just yesterday. I got it from another source. While they talk about "sustainability", they just want to be the owners, and have us be the renters, for us to stay at home and not travel, so they can fly around on their jets using the remaining oil. Now that's human nature in action.

I think gravity is a conspiracy theory meant to hold us down on this planet and not let us disseminate our population throughout the universe.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

BTW, the first mention I heard of The Great Reset was by the very well connected Jim Sinclair approximately 10 years ago.  So this conspiracy theory is nothing new.  This conspiracy theory has also apparently been embraced by the WEF.

But it’s only a conspiracy theory.  There is nothing to be concerned about here.  Government always has your greater good in mind and will protect you (and your children) as history has shown us time and time again.  The fact checkers will soon prove it false and the MSM will reassure you and tell you that you can rest easy (as long as whatever you’re worried about isn’t coming from Trump).  They will also likely announce a new wonder vaccine that can innoculate your brain and the brain of others such that no conspiracy theories take root.  We will soon be safe from such pernicious dangers.      

Thomas Aquinas taught the same social and economic principles
Not at all. If you read the Summa carefully (e.g. not cherry-pick) you can see the logical progression of Aquinas’ reasoning, which supports private property. Hell, he even quotes Aristotle on the subject. Here’s a quote directly from the document you reference that contradicts your understanding of it all:
I say that…Secondly, as regards their use, and in this way, man has a natural dominion over external things, because, by his reason and will, he is able to use them for his own profit, as they were made on his account: for the imperfect is always for the sake of the perfect, as stated above (II-II:64:1). It is by this argument that the Philosopher proves (Polit. i, 3) that the possession of external things is natural to man.

But I confess you did give me my LOL of the day with this: I for one do not expect top level analysis from any Catholic. A few household-name Catholics off the top of my head I can spell…Fermat, Fermi, Descartes, Copernicus, Coulomb, Becquerel…and I got tired of typing…

“The Great Reset” are, it is quite apparent that this is nothing more than a “rebranding” of the “New World Order”
I am also suspicious of the “rebranded” sentiments outlined in the “Great Reset for Dummies” because they seem to correspond so closely to the 1905 piece called, “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” (relevant quotes below- see for yourself), which according to wikipedia is “a fabricated antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.” I realize that no one has explicitly said that this is a Jewish conspiracy, but the term “elites” is often a euphemism understood to mean as such. Which raises a question for me about who wants us to be misdirected in terms of our understanding of what is really going on. If the focus is on the “elites” (subtext Jewish conspiracy), then maybe we won’t notice what is actually happening…
The reason I bring this up is not to point fingers at anyone, only to examine a dynamic which is often difficult to pinpoint or articulate, which we all (myself included) would benefit from understanding better. The role of anti-Semitism, historically, has been to position the Jews between the ruling class and the working class to act as a “safety valve” or “cover” for the ruling class so that the legitimate rage of the workers never actually reaches the true source of the difficulty. Working people revolt. Jews are blamed. The system doesn’t change. And neither do the living conditions for working people. The dynamic has repeated throughout history and as long as we remain confused by it, it will continue to derail any efforts made for lasting change.
I am especially suspicious about why this rhetoric has been resurrected and is being recirculated now. To take a lesson from history, it’s worth noting that after the collapse of the currency in Weimar Germany, it was the “Protocols of the Elder’s of Zion” that was circulated widely. According to wikipedia, “the Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews.” And we all know the rest of that story. Something like 6 million Jews were killed. But the system never changed. Neither did the lives of working people. What will it mean if we fall for it again? This time, with a global collapse of the economy and creating a world worth inheriting on the line.
To be clear, I’m not saying that there are not ultra wealthy people doing nefarious things behind the scenes, but I am quite sure not all of them are Jews. And I’m not sure they are as coordinated as we would imagine them to be- Charles Hugh Smith talks about this. Charles Eisenstein also did a nice piece recently on the “Conspiracy Myth.” And my point is to simply watch out when it starts looking like the Jews are the problem. That’s the tip off something else is going on that the rest of TPTB do not want you to notice.
For those who haven’t read the “Protocols,” here are some relevant lines you might find interesting:

  • p13 Who are the Elders? This is a secret which has not been revealed. They are the Hidden Hand.
  • p23 ... we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll-parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world.
  • p32... we have set all forces in opposition to one another, breaking up their liberal tendencies towards independence...
  • order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the "goyim" (non-Jews) lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matters political...
  • p47 ... It is essential therefore for us at whatever cost to deprive them of their land. This object will be best attained by increasing the burdens upon landed property- in loading the lands with debts.
  • p62... When we have accomplished our coup d'etat we shall say then to the various peoples: "Everything has gone terribly badly, all have been worn out with suffering, we are destroying the causes of your torment- nationalities, frontiers, differences of coinages..."
  • p68... But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people's relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy, and even by the use of torture, by starvation, by the inoculation of diseases, by want, so that the "Goyim" (non-jews) see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and all else.
  • p72...for we shall keep promising to give back all their liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties.
  • p73 ... it's not worth to say about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties...
  • p118... State needs must be paid by those who will not feel the burden and have enough to take from...
  • p131... nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payments more or less near. These debts consist of moneys paid into the savings banks and reserve funds. If left for long at the disposition of a government, these funds evaporate in the payment of interest on foreign loans and are place by the deposit of equivalent amount of rents.
  • p134 One authority will be glorious because it will be all-powerful, will rule and guide, and not muddle along after leaders and orators shrieking themselves horse with senseless words... our authority will be the crown of order, and in that is included the whole happiness of man.
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Of course Aquinas would have to establish a basis for private property before creating exceptions to it, and I was aware that he found support for it in Aristotle. I’m also aware of Fermat, Fermi, Descartes, Copernicus, Coulomb, et al. from my studies in physics and philosophy—I have a degree in each. And while I meant for my statement of “I do not expect top level analysis from a Catholic” to be in the context of a theory that can explain current events, such as the pandemic and Great Reset, I think it still applies with less precision to these historical thinkers, though it’s rather unfair because most of them did not have the opportunity to know what we can today, and also the church worked closely with the state so that being on friendly terms with it was essential to getting things done.
I think part of your challenge is to see how I could possibly respond and confirm that I don’t know much. Perhaps so; I’m always learning. But I don’t expect to be able to challenge conventional narratives with yet another charge of conspiracy either. There isn’t enough shared foundation to work from. I’ve had to unlearn many things over the last twenty years, moving slowly in determining which ideas are trustworthy and which are not, and if tentative conclusions aren’t earned but merely given, they are without context, fragile and unreliable. I’m also disincentivized by seeing people I respect harassed or worse for saying what they know, and I don’t want to expose myself to that without good reason. I will tip my hand a little to say that my views are essentially Anabaptist, I have a rather literal view of the Bible, and that proper scientific inquiry supports it in amazing ways.
I thought my quote of Aquinas was fair, and appreciated when compared to the well-known command to not steal. I chose Aquinas because of his antiquity, but I could have also quoted Leo XIII’s influential “Rerum Novarum” (1891), which allied the church with the proletariat against capitalism and its underlying rights of privacy and personal property.

I’m not sure what you think I got wrong. Maybe it isn’t a conspiracy theory (though a website or a video doesn’t prove it one way or the other) but I don’t see how some people wanting humans to change their behaviour will actually make it happen. I don’t think any species has voluntarily altered its characteristic behaviour.

“The Backfire Effect is strong in you, Young Skywalker.”
I know. Evidence doesn’t work to convince people of anything.
To remind you:

The Great Reset sounds like a conspiracy theory. Remember that humans are a species. They will always behave like humans, collectively. Individuals may occasionally be seen doing something rational but let's not fool ourselves that humans, generally, will always act like humans unless their environment changes forcing a behavioural change.
We can agree, then. The Great Reset isn't a conspiracy theory. Its an actual plan, backed by a large number of really rich people. And it has been in place for a while now. Who do you think donates to elections? And gives rewards to politicians post "public service"? That would be - "really rich people." Who got Biden elected? "Really rich people." Why does Biden say "build back better" - the slogan of the Great Reset? "Really rich people." I'm not saying their plan is guaranteed to work. I'm saying they are putting a whole lot of wood behind this arrow. They are giving it their best shot. And they are really rich people. Even if it doesn't work, it will have a massive impact on you and me. And - I claim - that's because they are trying hard to convince us to stop using "their oil". Because - climate change - save the world - build back better - whatever. They get to fly around their private jets ("to climate change talks!") while we are locked down at home, with our small businesses and our wealth destroyed. If you say it doesn't work - I will point to the fact that Western Europe has locked down once again. And that airlines all over the world are going out of business. Tourist country economies are getting crushed. Oil consumption has cratered. If the goal is to stop us from consuming "their oil" - it appears to have worked fantastically well. Cui bono, do you think?
"Really rich people."

Well Folks, I have spent a small amount of time (90 hours) since “The Great Reset” was written about here last week. The knowledge that we have caused a 7% change for the positive in our environment with regards to clean air and our carbon foot print pleased me a great deal. It is what I want going forward with the benefit being a collective goal of the World to be more mindful of our environment.
I don’t see anything wrong with the idea of a rental society. My god, our land fills are filled with stuff that we put there after spend nice some’s of cash on and now throw away because we made a mistake, an expensive mistake. The resources used to build these items and then trashed is just a sin. Now, these items get rented at fairy tale prices then sent back to the rental company’s for someone else to use and the benefit is we will not waist the resources but once and I like that as I understand it.
Imagine, items that have been rented, sent back and re-rented has run its course but these items still have life to them. You then could furnish for free many of these items to a 3rd world country and be given the poor. Lets say we can now build at much cheaper costs a high rise building to house those who can’t afford a home. Then for free you furnish these homes with free furniture and now you have a family housed, and furnish for costs that are well managed and collectively we are taking care of these folks. Now, these folks have the time to imagine a better life and then get out there and start doing projects in their community to clean further their and by extension the worlds environment. This is something that makes me feel good and with the mind set having changes I believe is something collectively we can rally around. Why not!?
This would be very deflationary I would imagine.
Frankly, I found nothing that wouldn’t bolt on to my personal goals of being proactive in my behavior and to do my small part to be a negative carbon foot print individual. I simply want an environment that is healthier and more sustaining so that climate change does not spiral out of control.
The Atlantic Hurricane season has been my wake up call that something is very, very wrong. The fires on the West coast tells me we need to manage and make healthy our forest industry. We have so many extreme examples that we are really in serious trouble. Polar Ice caps melting is another ominous sign and the alkalinity levels in our oceans are just another example.
We really need a plan, with everyone becoming more concerned with their personal habits that must be changed to change our worlds environment and ecological impacts.
The WEF are at least seeing things for what it is. They are being proactive as it regards a better living standard, especially those that have nothing at all. Everyone deserves Food, Clothing, Water, a roof over their heads and warmth. Just with better food management, the stuff we throw away every day from our restaurants would go a long way to feeding those who live with hunger every day. and saving our environment. For this I have to give them a big two thumbs up for doing something.
Conspiracy? I don’t care so long as my little foot print is left for me to add my part to making this world better. In all of my life I haven’t been restricted or bothered by the Elites to do as I wish. I have not been bothered by the police or any other institution of power that has altered my movements or doing the things I have wanted so the WEF gets my support to begin their agenda. I am NOT a pessimist and I don’t take as my first stance a doom and gloom attitude. Especially when what they are doing and saying align so closely to my core beliefs.
As always, I reserve the right to change my mind but, for now, I have no negative thoughts that would cause me to dismiss the WEF as a World Order Organization that is set to enslave me and that’s my concern. If I’m allowed my freedoms, then I will be a supporter of this as it has no negatives that I can now see. It will have its fits and starts, with something this monumental there will be that.
Good luck to all of you, I wish you all well and that our future and environment will be much better tomorrow than what it is today. Peace

Prep 101,
Your comment about the blueprint of the Great Reset (below)
“This time, the blueprint of the Great Reset is to control all land, all water, all minerals, etc.They will start the assault on ordinary people with regulations, for example by cutting of your access to water, access to the road, or preventing you to build things on your land via permits. So JUST BEING RESILIENT IS NOT ENOUGH. You cannot hide.”
I think is more pertinent as an agenda of the New World Order. I say this because it is not just now beginning but rather is pretty well complete as an agenda item. All of those bullet points have been put in place and tightened up over the last 50 years.
The Great Reset IMHO involves removing local/national control over these activities and moving more into an unseen control system that can use AI to monitor land use and activity changes (5G and google earth) along with your thoughts and attitudes via your devices.
The complexity of the system will bring about its demise but I suspect it will not happen without some serious fallout.
Meanwhile, who cares about a satellite watching your garden grow! Yes it could be darker than that but living within the framework of fear will have worse consequences.
I agree with you about working within your community and to participate in the process. It is a worthwhile activity and builds lots of capital … and it can be very rewarding in times when you may think that all is about to be lost.
And as a ps to pokjbv … IMHO you are very far off the mark. I suggest you spend some time asking yourself what you actually believe in.

#build-back-better - A Scream!
Judging from what you have said thus far about the Great Reset, my feeling is that you have read / investigated very little about this very serious issue. After you have done a deep dive like I and many others here have done, you can come back and we will then debate. But just remember, while people are dicking around arguing and debating about the validity of the Great Reset, the billionaires are implementing their seriously scary shit. They count on the sheeple remaining ignorant, and foment divisiveness for those who dare to question.
You seem to consistently sport a proud contrarian persona, calling just about everything a conspiracy theory. It is tiresome. You forget that ‘conspiracy theorist’ is a derogatory term created by the elites to discredit those who question and probe - those who do not eat the daily pablum of their carefully crafted propaganda. I have moments, after readying your posts over the years, where, with all due respect, I think you are full of pablum!
Please do the deep dive to find out what this is all about and then I might give you the time of day. Until then, I’ll just skip over your unhelpful comments.

To you Jan nice post

Well said Jan… well said.

I had a strong suspicion I was/am not alone in my thinking…
Hugs back :wink:

Has COVID19 changed human behavior?  Is there any evidence that this virus was not a naturally occurring one?  Is there any evidence that its release was not completely accidental and/or it was not planned beforehand?  Is there any evidence that the release of this virus would benefit certain parties both monetarily and in terms of power and control?  Have you applied the test of cui bono?  Therein lie your answers.

Way to go!

“The I got mine and death to any that get near it mentality of preppers is going to be their death, because they represent a real threat to the society around them in their paranoia.”
I’m genuinely curious about this statement. Please explain it further. How are they a real threat to society?

“We’ll have to do a better job at welcoming and integrating refugees”
Here we go, Biden intending to flood the US with immigrants, especially those from 13 mostly Muslim/African countries.
“Western values will have been tested to the breaking point.”
Citizen, you will now accept an absolute compliance:

Preparing us to accept the coming mandatory vaccinations.

“which by my calculation will require a limiting of the population at least till our technology catches up”
I guess for those of use who don’t have a totalitarian mindset (I’m not trying to insult) passing laws to limit population would be diametrically opposed to most American’s views. BTW you are not wrong about limiting the population, but how to do it?
Bottom line is IMO, most people wouldn’t go along with this. China which is totalitarian tried it and it didn’t go as planned. People didn’t like it even so. How do you do this in what are called democratic based countries?
The solution is obvious. Do nothing and when population hits a tipping point, nature will cull the heard, or a war etc. The population will shrink, it has to. Is this a kinder way of dealing with the problem? No, IMO.