Ed Dowd: It Has Begun — Housing, Credit and FCF Have Cracked ... Stocks Are Next

Originally published at: https://peakprosperity.com/ed-dowd-it-has-begun-housing-credit-and-fcf-have-cracked-stocks-are-next/

In this podcast, I sit down with Ed Dowd, the former BlackRock portfolio manager, to discuss the AI bubble and how the stock market is entirely being propped up by just 7 companies, most of whom are engaged in what is being termed “circular financing.”

That practice hearkens back to the dot.com bubble when companies engaged in what was termed ‘vendor financing.’ In other words, you pay your customers to buy your products. In this era, ‘circular financing’ is vastly more complicated in is workings, but the essence is exactly the same when the maneuvers are boiled away.

Ed explained that the math just isn’t mathing. OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, needs something like $900 billion of annual subscription revenue at 25% margins just for a 10% ROI.

Nope, not going to happen.

And certainly not before their first waves of chips wear out and have to be replaced at enormous cost.

So, what happens when this bubble bursts? Ed believes that a serious market crash is in the cards. Of course, this means stocks will drop in price, but the main action is going to be in the credit markets.

Treasuries will continue to advance in price (fall in yield), making them an attractive option to ride out the storm, while other forms of lesser credit will implode, as is already happening across the subprime lender space (TriColor, PrimaLend, First Brands).

When will this happen? According to Ed, it already is. He tracks the Free Cash Flows (FCF) as the more important arbiter of company health and by that metric, all of the Big 7 companies are experiencing declining FCF, while Oracle’s debt is getting more and more expensive to insure against a default.

And, oh by the way, stocks are at historically expensive levels, a condition that has historically resulted in very poor returns over the following years:

Ed’s view is Deflation first (in housing & credit destruction), which will force the Fed back to QE again, leading to a second inflation wave (energy + money printing).

At the same time, Ed views Trump and Bessent’s messaging on the economy as tone-deaf (“Greatest economy ever!”) while the real economy implodes. Ed thinks that a “Hoover scenario” is highly probable, where Trump is remembered for overseeing one of the greatest economic collapses in US history.

Given all this, what should a prudent investor do? Tune in to hear Ed’s outlooks…

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About that mag 7 situation… as S&P500 is so highly leveraged by them and 401ks are using that index, can those 7 companies essentially blackmail Trump and administration to “too big to fail” bailouts? That’s not good option to print 5Tn or more just to put it directly to corporate bank accounts… to likely continue doing same insane leveraged shenanigans…

Do any of those companies numbers look that they would suffer or face default or get bust by this insane leveraging of debt?

Elon Musk talked years back during covid that stock price is important and company must defend it as debts and loans and whatnot are tied to it often so banks demand more or blackmail selling stocks and other less optimal means if stock values go down a lot. If this tie wasnt there stocks could go up n down and only stock holder would suffer but in worst case company can be forced bust by crashing their stock playing financial games in market(investor,trading companies).

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What will happen to all those fake hot AI chicks on social media platforms if there’s not even a virtual sugar daddy?

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If only there had been some signs that the infinite revenue models were not grounded in reality…

Well, no matter. Party on Garth!

https://x.com/wallstengine/status/1987661253565895010

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As the famous saying indicates: “Things will continue, until they can’t”.

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The new shale oil model. And then there’s DeepSeek which has disrupted the AI business model.

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Excellent discussion between you and Ed Dowd, Chris! You guys seemed to have a good rapport, and to share a depth of knowledge and understanding of various topics of interest to us here. It made for an interesting conversation. I also appreciated that Ed felt comfortable sharing some little insights into his China report.

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looks like its spreading

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What happened in 2008?

If we are lucky, we will get quantitative easing to relieve the effects of the debt bubble (essentially a debt jubilee). If we are luckier still, the US dollar, behind a wall of tariffs, will become cheap - and thus, manufacturing here will cost a lot less.

If we are truly on a roll, banks will be hammered to pieces to stop all financial asset based lending. None. Or nearly none. No more financial paper product lending, etc. Hold a gun to their heads. Hell, shoot them if you have to. No more asset bubble lending. They get the quantitative easing but they have to agree to die rich and happy. No more grabbling for world control.

To restate (my best case scenario):

  • quantitative easing for the big banks; severely restricted lending for asset bubble lending and lending for financial products, consolidation, etc.
  • high tariffs to protect domestic industry; devalued dollar to make mining, processing, manufacturing cost competitive

In my dream of dreams, suburbia and mass motoring and consumerism will left in the dust as traditional town and city building and lifestyles, and economic production and new development, takes off again.

How does new work happen organically?

Jane Jacobs identifies several key processes in “The Economy of Cities” that lead to the creation of “new work” - the innovation that drives economic growth. Her general rules include:

  1. Division of existing work : New specialized roles emerge from splitting up broader tasks into more focused occupations.

  2. Diversification through new uses for existing products/services : Finding novel applications for current outputs creates entirely new economic activities.

  3. Technology transfer : Applying solutions from one industry to solve problems in another field.

  4. Export replacement : Cities replace imported goods with locally produced versions, often with improvements.

  5. Accumulation of small improvements : Incremental innovations gradually lead to significant new capabilities.

  6. Capturing spillover demand : Recognizing and serving unmet needs that emerge from existing economic activities.

  7. Combining technologies : Merging different technical processes to create new productive methods.

Jacobs argued these processes thrive in dense, diverse urban environments where ideas and resources constantly interact - the opposite of centralized planning or specialized single-industry towns.

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I agree single industry towns are not resistant.
Rural also has similar activity, people just are used to driving car to town hub.
Question about repairability: isnt that there included in some of those pieces? Raw materials and products becoming more valuable… but this adds jobs and service, that people dont have to go to shop or faraway place to get new product. Also repair often allows small improvements added with that knowledge from users and repairstaff combined. Much faster refinement than waiting new models from factory.

Eg old pimp my car trend. Various accessories needed for that, then 3rd party shops do those. Adding stereos or latest 4K tv system to old car is that (3).

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I hope to see that time come. Be ideal if it were voluntary, but most likely won’t happen until the masses can’t afford it. Which may be less than a decade away.

How disrupting would that be?

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Unbelievable…

https://x.com/Cernovich/status/1988428708697567542

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Makes you think he has some deals going on with skills/labor sourcing. One of his skills is the use of these quick asides in conversations.

Edit: Trump is so quick in ways like this he is ahead of everyone for a moment.

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Another disappointing and out of touch comment from President Trump.

I’ve been in technology for over 30 years. There has definitely been a demographics change from primarily US born engineers to H1B engineers. From my observation there seems to be multiple reasons for this.

  1. Our education system sucks at inspiring and teaching math and science.

  2. The H1B employees do flood the market having the effect of lower wages and longer hours. IMO this disincentives prospective native born students from going into engineering.

For #1 we need revamp the entire education system. I dont think the current local, state and federal gvts are capable. So, parents need to pull their kids out of the system.

For #2 if companies really think they need an H1B employee, they should have to provide 2 scholarships to native born students in that field.

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Raising the yellow “show me the receipts” card!

At +/- 21 mins in, Ed correlates the disintegration of FirstBrand aftermarket car parts to immigrants. (I can’t tell whether he’s saying “legal” or “illegal”, but shouldn’t matter).

How is parts for car repair an immigrant thing, and not a personal poverty thing, an enshittification thing, an electronic-everything thing, or a market-capture-through-IP gatekeeping thing?

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This was one of the best interviews I’ve heard in quite a while. Big fan of Ed Dowd and always glad when he and Chris get into such detailed conversations. I have to go back to listen again, but there was a throw-away line from Ed about how fixed costs for households have gotten to the point that there’s nothing left afterwards.

Well, we have one kid who’s a freshman in college at Temple in Philly, and a second kid who’s graduating high school this year. Both will attend what passes for reasonably priced institutions. So we’re trying very hard to pay for two kids in college simultaneously.

And although I’m a horrible selfish boomer, we’re trying to pay their tuition, room and board, and books so they don’t get out of school in debt and unable to start their adult lives. We have savings, but college is so expensive we’re not even close to paying for all this out of what’s put aside. So we’re trying to live like broke young people, mostly on my income and use as close to 100% as possible of my husband’s much more considerable income to pay for college.

I’ve been eyeball deep in spreadsheets trying to math the math. It’s shocking when you sit down and figure out every single non-negotiable payment. Property taxes, car insurance, home insurance, health insurance, sewer/water/trash collection, electric, wood for heat, on and on it goes.

We can be conservative in our usage but even if we carefully ration our electricity usage, the fees, taxes, and other bits go up so using 10% fewer kw/h doesn’t mean the bill goes down 10%. We already drive paid-for, plain-vanilla vehicles.

This is turning into an interesting experiment in frugality. It adds to my compassion for the working poor, those poor bastards who earn just enough to not be “poor” and suck off the government tit, but not enough to support themselves in a manner where one unexpected emergency doesn’t sends them into a debt spiral.

All this is to say that even though we’re not in the top 10% income bracket, we’re towards the top of the 90%. If this is our situation, how can the “consumer” who is closer to the median and probably has debt which we don’t, go back to stimulating the economy?

In other words, who’s going to keep buying all the shit now that less money is being gifted to the invading hoards?

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Id say H1B abuse in tech is so huge it has changed demographics in california in certain cities. It happens even here in nordics if know what to look (it is often spesific eg indian companies working in IT). Im baffled with US but I know we here cannot sustain this development with very high unemployment in all fields regardless of what public talks is(due to those exact same 2 reasons).

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If anyone is interested on the topic of AI surveillance data centers and corruption at Nvidia and the part that the US Gov’t played in this, you might want to check out this video. A quick backdrop, Gamers Nexus started an investigation and posted a video on its channel which was taken down by YT for violation. It turns out it was Bloomberg’s attorneys behind the takedown. Everything said was factual including the AI blackmarket for Nvidia tech. Gamers Nexus has over 2.5 million subscribers.

The host of the show, Steve Burke was paid a visit by the US Secret Service. He says he will continue to follow the AI corruption trail by Nvidia and its CEO, Jensen Huang. It’s a 17 min video that is worth a look.

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I have to agree with Trump here.

If TSMC opens a new chip fab plant in Phoenix, it’ll need a large number of chip designers and electrical engineers.

But that group has a very low unemployment rate. So staffing up TSMC would mean no new net jobs to the economy for that group.

Importing talent makes sense in this case.

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Maybe in one specific case…temporarily…but these anecdotes from Mark Mitchell’s followers turned my thinking around:

https://x.com/honestpollster/status/1988582577587015738

https://x.com/honestpollster/status/1988482686122435001

https://x.com/honestpollster/status/1988482088891289696

https://x.com/honestpollster/status/1988477122998931644

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