"It's About Control": An Interview with David Icke

Hidden in plain sight!

Space Ghost (2004–05 DC Comic miniseries)[edit]

Zorak and his race, the Dokarians from the planet Dokar, appeared as antagonists in the 2004/2005 Space Ghost comic miniseries published by DC Comics. In this series, Zorak and the Dokarian army called the Zorathians were designed with a heavy emphasis on the insect aspect of their appearance. They attack the colony world Meridian — homeworld of Space Ghost's sidekicks, Jan and Jace —, intent on devouring and enslaving the population. It is also revealed that the Dokarians have a Hive-mind, and that Zorak himself is not a single member of the race, but can be embodied by any Dokarian, should his current body be destroyed. The current Zorak's appearance is distinguished by a white exoskeleton torso, as well as possessing four arms; one set with mantis pincers and the other with human hands. They speak in an alien dialect, though the dialogue boxes translate this into English. Only Zorak ever develops the ability to speak English. The Zorathian culture is built around murder and conquest, which forms the basis of the philosophy they refer to as "The Way".
"They" are so devious, attempting to discredit the Truth by publishing it in Comic Books and Cartoons! OTOH, we are seemingly down a reality tunnel where folks like David Icke or Menncius Moldbug are capable of running some operative predictive heuristics, while the well coiffed pundits are thumpingly wrong, over and over. It's the crisis of epistemology rearing another shaggy head, yet again. Which, ironically, is one line of critique against Icke, he seems so certain, which was par for the course in the 1990's Fortean Times.
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That’s ok, I’ve banned CNN, so we’re even. I have natural immunity, antibodies nice and high 9 months post infection.

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Words have meanings. I disgrace myself by quoting Wikipedia

Psychopathy, sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy, is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.[1][2][3] Different conceptions of psychopathy have been used throughout history that are only partly overlapping and may sometimes be contradictory.[4]
In discussions with a psychopath I discovered that the subject felt no remorse nor feelings, and was puzzled by the rest of society's hatred of him. So why is the genepool not cleansed of these people if they are maladaptive? Because they are not maladaptive. They are vital to the survival of the group as a whole. They make excellent butchers and can do tasks that the rest of us find repugnant. If there existed a button to eliminate all psychopaths, I advise against pressing it. "Psychopath" does not mean "Bad Guy." Nuance is required. We are all in the spectrum. I can put an earthworm on a hook, but I would be unable to stick a needle into a babies arm.
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I was born as a white man in Africa and was called “N’Kosan” (Little god) when I was a child. I had power in abundance.
It is the dream of the powerless to have power; as it it is the dream of the penniless to have wealth.
The truth is that you inherit all the problems of the world if you have power. This wisdom leads me to reject the Power motive and the Greed motive out of hand. (Why would you do that to yourself?)
That leads me to the Altruistic motive. Whoever is doing this operation Believes that they are doing a Good thing. (We are free to vociferously disagree.)
Pyramidal (planned) societies can be more efficient; but the flip-side of efficiency is fragility. Ref: “Anti-fragile” by Nassim Talib. The sheer chaos of Human affairs may save us yet.
Somebody tell the Insects that we don’t need any “rescuing”.

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David Icke can be an engaging speaker and spins interesting tales but Chris has brought us careful analysis of covid (what works against it, what doesn’t, etc, all backed up by data). The former is fluffy and basically ‘unactionable’; the latter is useful. It’s fine to talk with anyone, but Chris has a track record of being right and ahead of what the 3 letter health agencies eventually acknowledge as true. In contrast, to my way of understanding him, David Icke might be better understood as a performance artist singing about dreams of freedom.
My central epistemological bone to pick with David Icke is “if you know the outcome, you’ll know the journey” or some such. This strikes me as dangerously close to, I know what I know, and I’ll interpret events to support what I already know. In our modern, high technology, centralized states, power is increasingly centralized. This is to be lamented and peacefully resisted as much as possible. But bureaucrats and billionaires increasingly taking away our freedom seems not to require conspiracies, or tyrannical alien bugs, or anything else to explain it. A mixture of naive do gooding and some greedy self-serving suffices as most of the explanation to my way of thinking.

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David Ike my favorite conspiracy theorist. He’s a bit crazy but I’ve always enjoyed listening to his perspective. And while I don’t agree with everything I have such respect for Chris that you gave him a platform. Crazy times such as this we need a little crazy to make us sane.
And frankly hearing David Icke was like a breath of fresh air. So much Of what he saying is ringing true.
I keep waking up and thinking no way this is possible but I’m seeing things happen before my very eyes that I never thought were possible.
thank you!!!

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“In discussions with a psychopath I discovered that the subject felt no remorse nor feelings, and was puzzled by the rest of society’s hatred of him.”
I feel no remorse for not getting the vax and I am puzzled by the rest of society’s apparent hatred of me. Should I be worried?

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I can only attest to that. A very close friend, a psychiatrist used to “treat” psychopaths. He stopped doing it. These were the only patients that really, really scared him, even the ones without criminal tendencies, and especially the highly intelligent. They crawl under your skin in a really frightening and scary way, and even worse, most people do not have a clue what they are dealing with. Interestingly, research found that people that “listen” to their own “gut feeling” are capable to “sense” when they are dealing with a psychopath. This made some researchers call the “intraspecies predators”.
I would suggest, spend 15 minutes to check out Eric Barker. His main advise in “ how to deal with psychopaths: Run. The end.
https://www.bakadesuyo.com/2016/10/how-to-deal-with-psychopaths/
Also wondered about (Tech) CEO’s, and “journalists”? Check out this article in Huffpost. It will explain a lot about MSM.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2084246
I’ve met a few in positions in power in my life. It is really interesting to see how they manipulate their environment. I usually tend to run, I do not want them near me. You will never ever be able to change them…
 
 

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A lot of them are riot police and counter terrorism units. They are tactical units attached to the police force but I don’t know in what way. I doubt they are mercenaries. I don’t think our governments would pay that sort of money.

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Check out this video about threats to crypto. To me this, and the SEC stance, is proof that TPTB want to get rid of crypto. God forbid that we, the populace are truly free, and that we do not kiss the ground on which our Ordained Rulers Walked.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZyTDJPnp14&t=0s
 

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Has anyone else viewed this press conference? It is fully traslated. Comments welcomed.

CAUSE OF DEATH AFTER COVID-19 VACCINATION UNDECLARED COMPONENTS OF THE COVID-19 VACCINES

https://odysee.com/@en:a5/PK_Tot-durch-Impfung_english:a
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Sending to German scientist friend for evaluation.
Isn’t this what should happen for all Cv deaths, especially now- autopsies to figure out what happens? In a 2012 study trying to make a SARS 1 vaccine, all the vaccinated animals had specific lung infiltrates not seen in the other infected animals. It indicated ADE and immune hyper response.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

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Watch me drop Dr. David Jacobs Alien infiltration model in a hot second if I find contrary evidence. The Psychopathic humans model is gaining strength but it hasn’t displaced Bugs yet.

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https://youtu.be/_QqnXHyD3rI
Get to 18:19 as she talks about what is happening and what our role is. She discusses fall of gov, personal sovereignty and how to prepare. Interesting, empowering consideration is discussed. I feel more hopeful.

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https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html?m=1
long but certainly a must read.

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The psychopath convo has me thinking of The People of the Lie.
Theres an idea that this whole program was planned to go off nearly a decade ago, complete with a entirely different PR slogan “Dawning of a New Day” (original had better cadence). Jordan Maxwell, sort of an Icke contemporary, pointed out the symbology, back as it was happening.
The symbology was used in the Obama campaign and in the 2009 V reboot. The V reboot has plots involving health centers and tainted vaccines designed to track humans. What else does V have? Lizard aliens posing as humans. How convenient: the bathwater comes pre-spiked.
Entertainment execs can plausibly state that the vehicle, er fantastic art form, was a tongue-in-cheek “warning” for the Bam-Bam years. Right, and all your favorite TV shows think BLM plots fit their brands perfectly. I can still remember Independence Day being refused federal assistance during production, because they refused to edit the Area 51 references.
For Robey: What about Marzinsky? You think the entities that possess humans come from Mantids? If they can just possess a human body, then why the breeding? Why the hubrids?
Doesn’t sound like flesh and blood ETs to me. Sound more like entities that flit between here and there. When we smoke DMT, we experience hyperspace as being “more real” than this reality. Ironically, Captain Hudson interviewed some of the fractal mescalitos before his mutiny. They said the same thing about our reality.

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I’m still working on it.
Here is a guess with the evidence of a physicist, Dr. Tom Campbell, My Big TOE YouTube and book. My Big TOE was one of Those Books that have influenced me greatly.
Deep Breath, Here Goes. Reality is procedurally generated by our observations. (Our?) Consciousness is All.
Consider the Game “No Man’s Sky”. It is as big as the Cosmos is. How can that be? Because the game is procedurally generated. (You see all those twinkling lights up in the sky? They are twinkling lights up in the sky.) They will resolve themselves into stars and planets as we “Travel towards them” and procedurally create them with our observations.
Where was I? Oh yes, telling you how clever I am. That is not true. I have just enough brainpower to follow the bouncing ball, sometimes.
Our egos create the illusion that we are separate individuals. We are, in Dr. Tom Campbell’s model, “Individuated Units of consciousness”. Those Demons that torment my daughter? They are elements of consciousness. Mantids? The same.
To arrogantly sum up a three volume tome of work; consciousness is Real, Reality is Not.
Whatever; be that as it may, we are put here to Play the Game, so let’s have at it. Rest assured, if you are making progress, you are immortal.
Enjoy Life, one of the gifts of the Wr-alda.

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@One Jab To Rule Them All... The virus-denial/anti-mask stance is potentially dangerous, & gives the authorities more excuses to impose further mandates... Yes, masks might not be appropriate for all situations - but it is highly likely that we are still dealing with a lab agent that can mess up your body & brain - even if it wasn't the instant 'civilization killer' we were led to believe, or even if jabs turn out to be more lethal...
Well the "authorities" clearly don't need any excuses to impose their agenda. But Icke shows his weak understanding of biochemistry and virology in this interview as well. I was surprised at how fast he jumped on the "viruses don't exist" bandwagon. Other than that he's pretty good, a pioneering ponerologist.
@whoknew79 Can you send me some links of videos or posts written by David that reference lizard people? I didn't know that he said things like that.
@mememonkey Also curious, apparently DMT and Ayahusaca reportedly produce transformative out of body experiences, that include very common repeatable 'experiences' to include talking lizard guides..
Yep, let me tell you what happened, as @DaveDD already alluded to. Icke had an ayahuasca (i.e. DMT) trip in 1990, blowing away everything he ever believed was real (ontoseismic shock) and leaving him with a shattered epistemology. His ego didn't have the context to understand what happened to him (note that this was before the Web), so he started believing he was (a reincarnation of) Jesus (Chris showed a clip of this at the beginning of the video) and was vastly ridiculed by the British MSM (as he was previously a known footballer and commentator). As he dug deeper he realized he's not Jesus, he's much bigger than that, he's "all that is, was, and ever will be" (indeed as @cbeach said, "the Godhead in a physical body"), while healing his fear of what other people might think of him. This opened his mind enough to research everything he could find and travel around the world interviewing different people claiming to have had extraordinary experiences, as he had had the most extraordinary experience possible this side of the veil (by going beyond the veil without dying). Given that you can encounter and communicate with a seemingly unlimited number of different types of hyperdimensional beings by merely increasing levels of a dream-inducing neuromodulator produced in the center of your brain, all ideas of negative aliens possibly influencing human affairs are already minor ideas in comparison. That's where we should start this discussion. Forget what other researchers, humans with advanced/well-developed "extra"-sensorial abilities, the ancients (from Gnostics to Zulus), etc, are saying -- focus first on what YOU can actually SEE and perceive for yourself. As Terence McKenna put it over 20 years ago:
"Science can't survive in that environment for half a minute. The entire construct of Western reason disappears into that dimension like hurling an ice cube into a blast furnace. It just can't survive that encounter. If flying saucers were to land on the south lawn of the White House tomorrow, it wouldn't change the fact that DMT is the weirdest thing in the universe."
"We are told "no", we're unimportant, we're peripheral. "Get a degree, get a job, get this, get that." And then you're a player, but you don't want to play in the game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
"A balkanization of epistemology is taking place. There is no longer a commonality of understanding. For some people quantum physics provides the answers. Their next door neighbor may look to the channeling of archangels with equal fervor. It is accompanied by a related phenomenon which is technology, or the historical momentum of things, is creating such a bewildering social milieu that the monkey mind cannot find a simple story, a simple creation myth or redemption myth to lay over the crazy contradictory patchwork of profane techno-consumerist post-McLuhanist electronic pre-apocalyptic existence."
"Life lived in the absence of the psychedelic experience that primordial shamanism is based on is life trivialized, life denied, life enslaved to the ego."
And indeed it's also worth re-quoting this one that @Steven Kelso posted:
"We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us."
Maybe it's just psychopathic humans in "control" and it's that simple. Maybe they're influenced/controlled by Archons who implant thoughts into their minds, or maybe it's just egregores who aren't an AI. Maybe they're organic portals i.e. soulless humans (we know that about 5% of humans are somehow not affected by DMT), perhaps Draco-controlled. Maybe 4th density reptilian species plug into lower chakras of human vessels. Maybe as @Arthur Robey says the Zeta Reticuli mantoids are at the top of the pyramid. But that ET layer or lack thereof isn't nearly as important as the fact that you can experience hyperspace, i.e. a "reality" within yourself of some kind that feels astonishingly hyperreal and of which you will forget perhaps 99.99% when you come back but still what you get out of it is usually an invaluable sense of the magnitude of what you really are. WE are the ETs! Or at least EDs.
@BigBlue Well, by that logic, why doesn't Chris bring on one of those Flat Earthers he frequently derides? Honestly, their theory is more believable than many of Icke's...
No it's not, see above for why. You can go out of body and see Gaia-Sophia's spherical beauty for yourself. There are also a number of of fairly determinant experiments you can do, some of which some flat earthers have done only to fail to prove it's flat and instead prove it's round.
@BigBlue Seems that a respectful debate with a licensed professional who holds a different perspective than Chris (pro-vaccine, anti-IVM) on the key focus of this site would be far more valuable right now. Curious why that hasn't happened yet.
That's what the TV is for. There is no legitimate "anti-IVM" argument. Those are arguments for the continued commission of crimes against humanity.
@Steve I often have wondered why crypto has been left to develop without interference. Given this idea the internet was permitted to freely develop with an intent to ultimately control(bait and switch), then why not apply the same concept to crypto?
Interference has already been happening for years, and it's increasing, but the whole point, the central raison d'etre of crypto is that there is no central point of failure, so you can't really shut it down, at least not easily.
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@Steven Kelso For Robey: What about Marzinsky? You think the entities that possess humans come from Mantids? If they can just possess a human body, then why the breeding? Why the hubrids? Doesn’t sound like flesh and blood ETs to me. Sound more like entities that flit between here and there. When we smoke DMT, we experience hyperspace as being “more real” than this reality. Ironically, Captain Hudson interviewed some of the fractal mescalitos before his mutiny. They said the same thing about our reality.
If (the fascinating source of channeled metaphysical information that is) Bashar is to be believed, the Mantids that many people report encounters with are a "higher-order organizational structure" the Greys, who are humans from a parallel distant-future transhumanistic post-apocalyptic version of Earth, have partnered with in order to be able to continue their civilization in some form. Bashar says he is a member of the Sassani, who are the 3rd hybrid race created by mixing the Greys' DNA with ours and that of other still-viable DNA from other pre-transhumanist parallel Earth versions.
@Arthur Robey Here is a guess with the evidence of a physicist, Dr. Tom Campbell, My Big TOE YouTube and book. My Big TOE was one of Those Books that have influenced me greatly. Deep Breath, Here Goes. Reality is procedurally generated by our observations. (Our?) Consciousness is All. ... Our egos create the illusion that we are separate individuals. We are, in Dr. Tom Campbell's model, "Individuated Units of consciousness". They Demons that torment my daughter? They are elements of consciousness. Mantids? The same. To arrogantly sum up a three volume tome of work; consciousness is Real, Reality is Not. Whatever; be that as it may, we are put here to Play the Game, so let's have at it. Rest assured, if you are making progress, you are immortal.
Or put another way, consciousness = reality = information = experience, which is the only thing that is real. The "outside world" is a construction that only truly exists inside your consciousness. AFAIK, Tom Campbell has what I would consider to be the 2nd most advanced model of consciousness that any human has ever come up with, his Big TOE being the first real ("Big") theory of everything to include consciousness in its explanatory aims, as opposed to "Small" TOEs that only attempt to unify the fields (and fail as neither General Relativity or any quantum gravity theory is compatible with electroweak and strong quantum field theory equations). See this thorough comparison of Tom Campbell's model and Bashar's model to see how they complement each other but one may be offering a higher-dimensional perspective that we'd have a hard time reaching experimentally (as the scientific method is a very limited tool).
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The video by Oracle Girl was something i needed to hear. She touched me. Her view of the future resonates. 

 

Xoxo ?

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