Nordicjack, I am pretty sure Hlandini was referring to the things he or she has learned from listening to/reading Chris. In fact, Chris had a recent video that was titled: Good News: Up to 50% of Us May be Pre-Immune to Covid-19 where he discussed some of the statements you take issue with in Hlandini’s post.
Yes, that’s exactly where I got that information from, that good news episode. It’s one of his theories and it makes sense.
I have a strong science background: EMT training, 2 years Nursing school, worked at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, lots of biology, anatomy, physiology, patho-physiology, microbiology classes, all those labs. I loved it, it’s one of the reasons I never miss one of Chris’ reports and I’m comfortable with the vocabulary.
Nordicjack, as for your comment here: “Which is what we are really talking about - so again looking at bad science… other studies said very little about anything at all… Just really some of the worst compilation of science I have seen to try to prove the point why to get rid of your mask… Just crazy stuff .”
Not sure if you actually read the links I posted, but the 8 studies on facemasks are peer reviewed and they are the gold standard in the science department.
Another link provided an article regarding a “study” proclaiming facemasks reduce the spread of Covid19 that is being called out as dog shit science, just like the dog shit study the Lancet published and then had to retract that Chris told us about. There was a long list of qualified people signing onto that letter to the editor demanding the “facemasks prevent Covid” study gets retracted- just like the one Chris told us about in the Lancet.
Oh, and we just learned from Chris that the tests being administered are taken out beyond the 32-35 cycle thresh-hold, for no reason… other than maybe ramp up the Covid19 numbers? Project Veritas just did an inside investigation on what morticians in NY are saying: https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/
And where are your peer reviewed studies or other links that support your position ?
This is what forced, mandated face masks look like on the ground, with a little humor thrown in (:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whatsherface&t=hk&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8OchMBJ23j0
Sorry Chris, I think the number one thing we should be doing is boosting our immune systems, not wearing facemasks.
As a reminder, we went from a two week lock down to “flatten the curve” to lock down until further orders and now ya gotta wear a mask outside. I ain’t buyin’ it.
With all we have learned and all we know from the past, do you really think face masks are being mandated for our safety and welfare?
I think not.
I think its more for our conditioning. But hey, I’m a skeptic.
Perhaps this is a nit-picky thing, but I’d agree with Parkland Hladini here. We should prioritize immune over masks. And I’ll add, we should be strategic about where we wear these masks too, to avoid “mask fatigue.”
Consider: science tells us that we mostly (80%) get COVID at home. We don’t wear masks at home, yet it is our area of highest risk. Therefore, boosting our immune system must be the top priority, because that’s our only defense in our most dangerous environment. The critical bits appear to be vitamin D, followed (perhaps) by glutathione deficiency - the older you get, the more pronounced the deficiency is.
Also, if we have someone sick at home, we might consider wearing the mask at home. As I said, it is the area of highest risk (80%).
Then, mask-wearing can be mandated in the other areas of highest risk, such as transport (34%) - buses, planes, trains, subways, etc.
Wearing masks outside appears superfluous. Science tells us that this disease very rarely transmits outside (0.3%). Perhaps there is a placebo benefit for a fearful population.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1
Areas of transmission for this study were as follows: home (80%), transport (34%), restaurant (3.4%), entertainment (1.7%), shopping (1.7%), outdoors (0.3%).
In sum - long duration indoor gatherings with poor ventilation are the danger spots. With home being #1 by far.
[We can include “singing” events too; a number of anecdotes involve singing indoors; choir practice should probably be avoided or held outside]
Given “at home” is most dangerous, our own immune system is priority #1. It just has to be.
They can be both effective and be used for training purposes. Every good lie has at least 90% truth remember? It’s so important not to lose logic in the emotion; I’m talking to myself with that last bit as much as you.
… after reading that South Korean’s were wearing masks to protect them from the Virus there was a spin off effect: no more recorded cases of the flu, not one, zero!!! This is hard data that shows conclusively that mask wearing is so logical, responsible and the best defense against any Covid related illness that one really must be a knucklehead if not irresponsible not to wear a mask.
As a 65 year old gentlemen with pre conditions and NOT ever wanting to catch this Virus I can absolutely wear a mask the few times I find myself in situations where I might catch something then my n95 mask is a pleasure to wear. As for any discomfort, I agree, it’s less than optimal however, how does DEAD or physically harmed in a very bad way sound!? I’ll opt for a mask as it is the truly best answer to fighting this Virus. to dispute all the research out there and promote not wearing a mask is one of those arguments I do not want to even share in except for this brief comment. Just wear a mask to protect me then if not for yourself. You should feel better for the effort which will strengthen your own immune system because you are joyful for possibly saving someone else from this dreaded Virus, like me! Peace
@Hladini I have learned that maybe up to 50% of the population is immune to SarsCov2 based on long term T-Cell immunity. I have also learned that another good percentage of the population maybe somewhere between 25-35% have very mild symptoms when they get sick. That leaves somewhere between 15-25% of the population being susceptible to a serious case of Covid19 and a smaller % of this group will either die or end up with long term health problems from the virus.But this is without those 15-25% taking any chemical-based preventive measures, correct? If they even just had 25(OH)D levels above 35 ng/ml, they might not even experience a flu-like run of it.
According to the CDC, of all the deaths counted, and we know the deaths are inflated because we've been told the authorities are inflating the death rates, only 6% of the 172,000+/- deaths was due to Covid alone and the remainder of the Covid deaths had 2.6 co-morbidities.This is a very important revision/clarification indeed, however many people (mostly in the alternative/truth media) are interpreting it a bit wrong, in the desire to label the whole pandemic a hoax. As Mike Adams explains:
To begin with, nearly all deaths of older people — from ANY cause — have comorbidity factors. When people die from cancer, they often have heart disease. When they die from heart disease, they often have liver disease. When they die from influenza, they often have respiratory problems. This is not exactly bombshell news. As a thought experiment, if a bomb were to explode in a nursing home, almost everyone killed by the bomb would have also had underlying health conditions. But that doesn’t mean the bomb didn’t kill them. Yet indy media outlets might run the headline, “Only 10% of those killed in the bombing died from the bomb alone.” That’s the equivalent of what they’re reporting right now, and it’s grossly misleading. The loose argument of many media pundits today is that since people died with comorbidity factors, they weren’t really killed by COVID-19. That’s flatly false. The vast majority of people killed in a sudden event — such as COVID-19 — will die with other diseases already festering in their body. The reason for this is simple: People are very unhealthy and are both living and dying from multiple health conditions. That shouldn’t be surprising to realize, given how many people are undergoing medical treatments for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, liver disorders, obesity and other chronic degenerative conditions. It would be absurd, in fact, to think that only “perfectly healthy” people are dying from COVID-19. That makes no sense for several reasons, the first of which is that there are almost no “perfectly healthy” people living in America when considering those over the age of 30. The vast majority of the entire population is diseased right now, so whether they die from motorcycle accidents, drowning or COVID-19, the vast majority of deaths will obviously involve people who had underlying diseases and comorbidity factors.So it's not black-and-white, or that "only" 6% died from the coronavirus; but I do generally agree with the idea that with the treatments we now know to be effective, we could likely easily end the pandemic in a matter of weeks... if we weren't plagued by extreme corruption and, as Chris said, a near-absolute lack of integrity in all institutions/positions of power, including -- in fact especially -- alleged/presumed "health authorities", who are funded by the international vaccine-linked foundations, if they are not themselves vaccine companies (e.g. CDC and WHO).
I've learned that Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Selenium and of course Zinc are particularly beneficial immune boosters for the SarsCov2. I've learned that quercitin is a potent zinc ionophore along with green tea, which I drink almost on a daily basis. I've also stocked up on Elderberry tinctures and syrup.Add NAC for glutathione plentifulness, especially if you suspect you might be carry the bug. It's also important to consider the source of green tea, as the plant is pretty good at absorbing heavy metals the soil might be exposed to (you want organic or known low-contamination source, and non-China even if labeled organic). Same goes for EGCG extract (the actual zinc ionophore molecule).
I don't believe in force or coercion. What ever guidelines are recommended should remain recommendations, otherwise where does it stop? I have seen Australians beaten for not wearing their masks correctly. I have seen an Australian middle age woman tackled to the ground, sat on by a male officer with his hand on her throat because she was not wearing a face mask. My county wants it's residents to register if any of us plan on having more than 10 guests at our home - that bit of news this morning was rather chilling. It felt like a noose tightening.Yeah, it's astonishing. We have this thread for Australian covidian authoritarianism. And this one for NZ.
Where do I draw the line? Where do you draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Seems to me, based on all the evidence Chris has presented, this disease is not the bogey man it was portrayed as initially. I was very afraid and concerned in the beginning but with all the data, my fear meter as to Covid has gone silent.Same here (it never actually increased above 0 for me). And that's where we want to get to. Some just don't realize yet. The virus itself ceased being the biggest enemy/threat already months ago. Remember how the Honeybadger rampage actually looks like, even in Sweden: https://peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/581074/ersshe4gn45uxx3u65x33o9bzuqkg7u1.png And the fact that FEAR, i.e. a fearful mindset acquired primarily from watching the fear porn that is the fake TV "news", shuts down your immune system, making you far more vulnerable to the virus (and any other pathogen and even cancer). One of the best remedies is turning off the TV for a week or two (or permanently). In fact I have no studies to point to but I suspect that should actually be #1, haha.
@gkcjrrt Do you have any quantitative data and modeling (not from folks like Neil Ferguson) that would gives us a high confidence in some dramatic improvement of ultimate outcome of this pandemic with respect to lives saved and quality of life by everyone wearing masks? Please share. I have seen nothing but speculation and "it's reasonable to assume" type argument. Note that the confirmed cases are plummeting all over the country, even with ramped up testing, and have been since late July. When do we stop wearing masks according to your protocol? When there are no more cases detected? Epidemiologist have confirmed that SARS-COV2 is not containable, and will always be circulatingGood points, when do we stop wearing masks, when cases are zero? As if that's gonna happen given how PCR testing can be and already is being weaponized according to political agendas. The virus eradication strategy is already a failed one -- the herd immunity strategy pioneered by Sweden is the way to go as proven by the chart above. Sweden doesn't even RECOMMEND using masks, and yet see their epidemiological curve above. We can do Sweden with mask RECOMMENDATIONS, not MANDATES, for everyone but particularly the more vulnerable population.
@planfortomorrow ... after reading that South Korean's were wearing masks to protect them from the Virus there was a spin off effect: no more recorded cases of the flu, not one, zero!!! This is hard data that shows conclusively that mask wearing is so logical, responsible and the best defense against any Covid related illness that one really must be a knucklehead if not irresponsible not to wear a mask. As a 65 year old gentlemen with pre conditions and NOT ever wanting to catch this Virus I can absolutely wear a mask the few times I find myself in situations where I might catch something then my n95 mask is a pleasure to wear. As for any discomfort, I agree, it's less than optimal however, how does DEAD or physically harmed in a very bad way sound!? I'll opt for a mask as it is the truly best answer to fighting this Virus. to dispute all the research out there and promote not wearing a mask is one of those arguments I do not want to even share in except for this brief comment. Just wear a mask to protect me then if not for yourself. You should feel better for the effort which will strengthen your own immune system because you are joyful for possibly saving someone else from this dreaded Virus, like me! PeaceThis depends on how you are perceiving the virus and the threat it represents, and even moreso how you are perceiving the different prevention factors and treatments. IF you wear the mask always (at home too given that 80% of transmissions happen at home?) and don't have the appropriate treatments in your possession, then you're far worse off than you would be if you have the appropriate treatments available and only wear a mask where and when appropriate (as most of us here are doing but most people are not doing). The narrative that masks (and distancing and lockdowns, and remdesivir and vaccines) are the only relevant factors is the enslaving narrative the globalist crime gang want us to believe.
There is humour to be found almost anywhere; When I was reading every surgical journal I could find, for my fellowship preparations. I came across a serious paper (S G&O from the 30’s) on the evils of mask wiggling(!) with a long winded justifications for stamping it out. There are depths of earnestness yet to be reached!
On 3/11/20 testimony before Congress stated that influenza CFR was 0.1% making it look like Covid was 10 times as bad. Actually the IFR is 0.1%…There are always more infections than cases.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/
This is my first comment here at PP. First I have to thank Chris for this site and his two books, “Prosper” and “Crash Course.” It is so great to see so much information presented in a simple fact based format. Chris is so good about being transparent on his opinion vs facts with footnotes for references. I have been trying to live my life in a more sustainable way since 1985 (35yrs). Learning how to be self sufficient, making your own shelter, growing your own food and collecting your own energy and water are all things that take years to achieve good skills.
So here is my 2 cents about masks, from the perspective of a person that has worked in air filtration and air monitoring systems in many environments including class 3 bio-hazard labs.
P100 masks are the least acceptable type of mask for real airborne viral protections. A P100 is 150 times more effective at filtration than an N95. (99.97% vs 95%). The next level, typically only used around a known severe hazard is a “forced air HEPA mask” with bio hazard jump suit costing over $1000. The old style cloth medical masks (like used in the Spanish pandemic of 1918) seem to be outdated. The recent FDA approval for these old mask as PPE for nurses and doctors is just insane. I realize that these "unrated non-spec masks can still help the general public, but I feel the main benefit is to remind people about physical distancing. A hand over your mouth for air diversion can be almost as effective if people could remember. The absence of any consistent public policy is what causes doubt and conspiracy theories. I feel that it is already near impossible for the average person the understand basic infection prevention strategies in a pandemic. The exponential growth rates involved along with statistical analyses of group size, movement, distance, duration and types of activity are just not in peoples intuition. So all we have seems to be inconsistent rules that limit our freedom … not a good situation for the American culture of freedom at all costs to society.
The biggest issue is not intellect. “Conspiracy Theories” are popular because there’s an awful lot of conspiring going on. Three pertinent conspiracies;
- Hydroxychlorequine
- Ivermechtin
- Masks are ineffective and dangerous (now wear them or you’ll be fined)
I hear you Mots and agree.
–Most people in this world (about 94% according to what I have been studying) are incapable of true independent rational thought, wherein a logical conclusion is treated with the same veracity as an empirical observation. –
Incapable? Not sure. I do think (hope?) though that people can be taught to question everything and critically think things out for themselves. I have to say that no one taught me. It was something over time, I taught myself. But if the dots are connected and explained to consider everything, research for yourself, think through underlying hidden agendas and motives, step in other peoples shoes, look for grains of truth in what looks like fabrication…
This must be one of our hidden biases. Maybe the need for a leader. The need to think that someone is smarter than we are and knows the answer so we don’t feel helpless, alone and only can rely on ourselves. That fear probably keeps people from doing their own critical thinking. It is too scary and uncomfortable.
If most are incapable then that may be our true downfall.
Karen
The best bumper sticker I ever saw: Critical Thinking: Another National Deficit.
Found a treasure trove of gold standard peer reviewed studies on facemasks:
http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf
Karenf, I think more people are waking up and beginning the critical thinking process. I think it’s people’s BS meters that are signaling the shift. Once we get a whiff of BS, then our critical thinking skills start to kick in.
And then there’s all this more time on people’s hands… and people are naturally curious.
^ Yep, and there also seems to be a massive military intelligence operation going on in the form of coded messages inviting decoding and research, which is a way of activating the frontal lobe and critical thinking ability, while leveraging the sentiment/desire for (or unconscious longing for) some kind of a “leader”.
Where does Ision stand on the mandatory mask issue?
I live alone with pooch all day until my Lady comes home from the hospital. She takes a shower as soon as she walks into our place. No mask needed for me as I have a Heppa filter and individual room filters. I wear a mask into and out of the market. Then I wear a mask if I’m with someone who doesn’t. I DO NOT gather at any point without social distancing at any gathering. In fact I am probably with Barb 95% of the time and our close friends (2). I believe the load factor just makes sense and the wearing of masks to make perfect sense. Common sense. So this is what I do. I pay no attention to" the man " using the masks to control or enslave me. Wearing a mask is a choice, the right thing to do when situations call for it. I plan to wear it at all times except home during flu season, I don’t want to catch the flu anymore either and wearing a mask will help.
I also believe the immune system boost is the way to go and have done this as well. Still, the number one reason I wear a mask is that I ingest my own spew and not yours. No matter what the science articles say, it just makes sense to me so I do it…Peace
Hello Hladini,
From the PDF:
http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
“There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission.”
Most of the studies compared N95 vs surgical masks. All of the studies were for influenza, not coronaviruses, if that matters.
Thanks for the link.
Hammer
I lived in Japan for several years and I noticed it was quite common to see people wearing surgical/paper type masks, as they would put one on, if they thought they had a cold, or severe allergies, at play.
The only function of such a low level mask is simply to reduce the chance of an ill person shooting their expectorates down range. Such masks are not going to save one from an airborne virus, as it simply cannot filter the air to that degree.
Masks are basically like covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze, as polite people have always done for decades. Masks can be thought of as a gesture of concern to lessen (to whatever degree) of getting others sick, or sprayed. But, the type of masks people are now using will not protect one from any airborne virus, or prevent one from shedding virus, even IF they were properly used…which they are not.
Personally, I only put on a mask if an establishment requires it…or if doing so will soothe the fears of another, whom I do not wish to stress out.
But, I would never wear a mask at home, or alone, or in an isolated area, or in my car…unless a passenger needed to feel safe.
Basically, masks are for show and used as a tool of common struggle politics, much like collecting string and junk in WWII was.
If you wish to be safe from airborne virus, wear a Level 4 suit…and make no mistakes as you do.