One may think that one would plan for such contingencies?
How does one quickly adjust for a failed missed shot?
(See earlier post about bullet flight paths)
Reset, keep same elevation and make a slight wind correction? But the target may have moved….
Often times people duck when bullets start flying…
Reset, put in a slight wind correction, and then adjust lower (towards center mass of target)?
A result of adjusting lower means instead of bullets just wizzing over people’s heads, bullets will be flying in between people and physically though people…
I guess to some people it is worth the price, the term for it called collateral damage.
How does one plan for one shot, one kill?
I am reminded that if a magician does not want to be caught performing a trick, then the magician may need to create a distraction.
A suggestion for the cad drawing.
Using “Trumps mic” as the center, draw a circle where Crooks is, then using that same center, draw a circle 12.75ft closer to “Trumps mic.”
Then see where the possible locations are.
One such possible location may be the back of the room, in the building, directly below Crooks, the room with the window next to the downspout.
When practically lined up between that window and President Trump, (see the angle of the roof) that is the room that produced the screenshot with the black holes visible in the lower part of the window.
Here is the screenshot again.
I’d submit those are imperfections in the glass, light reflections, and nothing more.
Why?
No open window or broken glass was reported or observed by a single spectator or LEO and there were dozens standing there, immediately before, during and after, all windows on near constant video record(s). Two LEOS literally walked up to each window a minute after the shooting, inspected the windows, and looked inside them. There is also a flashlight (presumably) shining out from the inside after the shooting, most probable answer is cops searching dark rooms.
Literally no time/ability for someone to open a window, set up 3 shots, go unnoticed, close window, scurry off. Zero time for that. And since there was no broken glass anywhere, it essentially rules out that theory.
But let’s go further.
Those windows are perhaps 6’ tall, so those holes are perhaps 2-3’ apart. Bullet’s fired with a 2’ spread would be a hundred feet apart at 150 yards. That is not the evidence of a carefully aiming professional sniper.
Obstacles in the way. That building sits in a depression, several feet down. Between the lower part of that window and the Trump diaz was a 6 to 8’ tall chain link fence, meandering people (witnesses, obstacles), and bleachers filled with people, and other random clutter. Even Crooks apparently hit and killed someone in the bleachers between him and Trump and Crooks was probably 10’ higher elevation than the windows.
In summary, I don’t see any reasonable 1st floor angle a professional would opt for, too many obstacles, nobody witnesses any open or broken windows.
If time synchronisation is not achieved by shifting Cm to CT, then the first method should test if the following expression is true for any candidate mic m:
CT-Cm - f(pm, pL1, pL2, Vs) < e
with
CT sonic crack at Trumps mic
Cm sonic crack at a field mic
pm coordinates of the field mic
pL1,2 coordinates of the loudspeakers
Vs theoretical value of the speed of sound that day
e some reasonable error estimate
and
f(pm, pL1, pL2, Vs) = min(abs(edist3D(pm,pL1)), abs(edist3D(pm,pL2))) / Vs
edist3D is meant as a call to a function returning the euclidian distance in 3D space. My guess is that the center of the speaker box is roughly 25 m above ground, which is significant in this context.
Continuing with your notation
RT gun report at Trumps mic
Rm gun report at a field mic
and your approach
compare RT-CT to Rm-Cm and use this to validate an audio file + location
I just don’t fully understand it, at least today. In any case, all depends on the statistics of the first test. Does the field mic data set confirm the hypothesis that dist3d(CT, Cm) is proportional to CT-Cm? Then all Cm are in reality equal to CT and the sonic crack produced by the supposedly used AR-15 would be really quiet at some distance.
Yet it might also be insightful to raise the question why there is only a sharp crackling sound heard from the LEO and/or SS shooter(s).
It appears that the audio analysis supports two separate shooter towards President Trump.
One shooter was obvious, because he ended up dead on a rooftop.
The other shooter appears to be in the category of sniper by definition, because they were pretty accurate (actually hitting President Trump), and they appear to be hiding. Some snipers get creative with their hiding.
Snipers can work alone, and snipers (usually military or government trained) can work as two man teams (one on the scope and one on the gun).
Here is a link to a post I did in “Audio & Video …”
I made an interactive graphic on Desmos where you can see the locus of points where a second shooter might be, provided you have a second microphone of fixed and known location; just by measuring the time gaps between, say shots 3 and 4 (or shots 8 and 9) on recordings from different microphones. And provided one sound source location is known.
Should be able to identify location of shots 10, 9, and if 123 vs 45678 are different locations. If you have more than 3 recordings (from different places), should be able to triangulate and get a fairly accurate spot.
my initial assessment was the one on the left is photocopied, i don’t think they changed his face i think they removed something. the curvature of the ear appears to be wrong, after about 15 minutes i lost entrist since the bullets are infinitely more traceable. Hope that helps
Saw your video today. It was a good video. I had the same idea, a shooter under the roof, but don’t know what the interior is like. If it’s an open ceiling then… The reason I thought this was from DJStew’s video. Look at the first 3 shots then the next 5.
First 3 shots have a faint echo. It starts with a sonic boom then about 0.03 seconds later there’s the muzzle blast. It’s faint and hard to spot. About 0.213 seconds after that, there’s an echo but it’s faint. What’s significant is the volume along with the spectrogram.
For an echo, you expect lower frequencies to come through better than higher frequencies. The higher the frequency the more quickly it’s absorbed. I can think of but one reason for this: The sound passed through a small opening. When sound passes through a small opening, higher frequencies pass right through. Lower frequencies will diffract more, which means they spread out. That leaves less energy to reach DJStew.
The echo is about 0.21 seconds, which is about 70m. The width of building 6 is about 25m. So the echo of the muzzle blast would bounce off the far wall, reach the shooter (50m) then about 20m down to DJStew. So that’s the only reflective surface that lines up.
The next 5 shots have no echo. When the video first came out, it really stood out to me. I guess now there’s two strong data points that support a shooter in the attic hypothosis.
Edit: Brain fart. Ignore the 20m distance down to DJStew. Both sounds traveled that distance. 50m or 70m is within the error range.
It’s been a long time since I looked into sonic cracks. IIRC, every time a super sonic bullet passes a fixed object there is a crack. IE, if a bullet passes a tree in it’s line of filght, there is a sonic crack at that location.
From the moment I saw the flashes in the window of the Stewart video, I thought it was likely a LEO checking the room after shots were fired. Very logical explanation. It just dawned on me that he might have done so due to hearing a shot from that vicinity, such as one from the ceiling crawl space. Just one more possible data point to support that theory if that’s what the flashes were.
He said he took the Dave Stewart video, slowed it down to 1/10 speed and put through an audio processor. He finds something like 10 or more subsonic, suppressed rounds fired before the audible Shot #1 as we have been calling it was ever fired. He believes these came from multiple locations including a first floor window of Building 6, a sniper in a tree, probably another in another tree, and one on the water tower. The first shots were fired at both CS teams on the cow barns. He believes a shot from the South cow barn (silenced) took out Crooks: a few frames show a bullet on 2 consecutive frames speeding in the direction of Crooks. He believes Crooks was dead before Shot #1 was fired.
The theory is that the shooter in the first floor window realizing that Crooks was dead, switched to an AR 15 and took shots 1,2,3. He says the crack-boom of .22 seconds correlates with the front edge of building 6 rather than the center of the roof. By the way, .22 seconds vs .212 seconds is a difference of 16 feet, suggesting 45678 may have come from one of the trees.
After Trump stood back up, more subsonic suppressed rounds were being fired.
He says a shot from the secret counter sniper location killed the sniper that was on the water tower - this was a 488 yard shot.
He also posits that the person firing multiple subsonic suppressed rounds from a 1st floor window, then an AR15 for shots 1,2,3 and then possibly more subsonic rounds may have cut his hand on broken glass while picking his brass, put his weapons away, went to the bathroom to clean up his bloody hand and then made up a story about climbing up to the metal roof and having the shooter point his gun at him. In other words, the shot that hit Trump’s ear was fired by someone wearing some kind of uniform. There was someone in the AGR building wearing Secret Service insignia.
This explains the CS teams on the cow barns flinching and reacting, there is also some footage showing the North barn team counter sniper changing his position to the right by 20 or 30 degrees apparently targeting the trees.
Crooks may have believed the snipers would be all taken out before he started shooting.
As to why the subsonic rounds all missed: he suggest the rounds would be 4 times the weight of an AR 15 round and going only 900 ft/sec so more susceptible to wind. He also thinks some of the injuries to civilians may have been from the various snipers on water tower or trees.
There is also a short video on youtube with multiple screens synced up:
John Cullen again. If you go to 5:13 in that video, you’ll see something happening with a curtain moving in a first floor window of building 6 (2nd from the right).
The Senator Ron Johnson timeline (five different sources) and Senator Chuck Grassley’s records - in particular the BC ESU post-action report - give a ton of information.
One theme that glows is how local ESU/LEO were diligently, repeatedly sending specific info out to SS “command” and “SS sniper team leader”, who were the only passthrough to SS snipers; however, how SS command and SS sniper team leader delayed the transmission of info to snipers, distracted snipers by EMAILING info rather than radioing it, and diluted info by referring to suspect in “perimeter” of AGR rather than specifically the photo of Crooks or the fact that Crooks was on the roof for 3+ minutes.
Hi Chris,
where can I find the most accurate positioning of recordings and the cleanest videos?
This new video from Piper, has anyone downloaded it in a location where I can access it?
(for some reason those youtube browser plugins don’t work for me)
Ernst.
It’s a great idea to gather all the highest-quality versions of evidence in one place. It would help people collaborate, and it will help us avoid inadvertently degrading them as we transfer them around, or losing them as YouTube censors them or whatever. I can help set this up if Chris wants it, or this forum software may provide a way to do it.
That is exactly what I just thought up. We need a data-czar. (but not the kind that completely and utterly f**s up any given task)
Also that should include a spreadsheet with known locations. X,Y coordinates. Let’s say Don’s mic is at 0,0 then we can measure from there (in m! no imperial units allowed )
Something like that.
No, that will take care of itself. We need one location to draw from and if something happens to that location everyone of us will have copies. We just need a single collection/distribution point.
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