Pardons, Propaganda and Power Plays

to Mars (and beyond)

I understand that this is the driving vision behind Musk’s activities.

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I don’t believe Biden pardoned himself, did he? So, if the Trump DOJ charges him with the crimes uncovered by Comer’s oversight committee, wouldn’t anyone pardoned by Biden be compelled to testify on his activities since they have lost their 5th amendment protections?

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Yep. This group can still be prosecuted and imprisoned.

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A military parade in a visitor centre foyer? Even the local majorettes manage a more impressive show. This is meant to project power to the world? I don’t think it will cut it.

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Temperatures are in the teens and low 20s in DC today.
Wind chill brings it down to about 10 degrees F.

Nothing happening outdoors in DC today.

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Michelle O not there again. I contend once again, she is the asset holdout in case of a catastrophe. She must be more important than we think.

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I’m old enough to remember looking forward to Trump 1 prosecuting Hillary Clinton and releasing the secret JFK files. He did neither. :roll_eyes:

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In my warped brain, I imagine the following scenario: on the next to last day of his presidency, Trump resigns, Vance becomes President and issues a pardon dating back to 1980 for Trump and all his relatives. Then grab the popcorn and watch heads explode.

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He’s reliably unreliable. The border invasion alone was worth it.

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This is a true, dreadfully true. I didn’t burden myself contemplating the impact of such pardons until it happened–it was just too demoralizing (part of its point). I think we have to face brutally dismaying facts here. People who broke Nuremberg Codes will likely escape justice. Sure, maybe the Supreme Court will invalidate preemptive pardons–-or rather Biden’s brand of them (another post here reminds us that Nixon’s pardon was preemptive though we all knew for what acts). But I surmise that it’s highly unlikely that SCOTUS would invalidate past pardons. My girlfriend advises fortitude, like Trump’s, and optimism, and though she’s almost always right, I’m afraid in this case we’ve been debarred from restoring our Republic.

Well, I look forward to Chris’s upcoming work on this matter. His early 2020 work exposing Covid truths and high crimes red-pilled me and many others here, and I sure hope he discovers some way justice can happen for the mass murder and manifold injuries our own government perpetrated.

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Presidential immunity for duties performed as president.

Unless he is impeached.

I believe some Sec of State in the 19th century was impeached post-office.

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Ford pardoned Nixon before conviction.

That was never challenged.

Precedent set.

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Oh, @Jaap, I burst out laughing so hard my cat fled the room. Awesome!

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Practically snarfed my tea!

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I prefer the term “prophylactic pardon.”

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I made that same joke a couple of days ago with a slight variation. Glad to see we’re in accord. I added that I expected Biden to hand out a Medal of Freedom with each pardon.

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Hi @Rob:

I’m on #TeamGirlfriend on this one. Biden did not have to face accountability for his actions because he was considered mentally incompetent to prosecute. The WH did not argue against that position. From that moment on, I am not sure he had the legal right to pardon anyone, commit American money or sign off on anything. And, not incidentally, I want to know who WAS running the country when Biden was floundering about. That needs to be investigated, STAT, because whoever it was had never been elected. That is, it was a soft coup, illegal and unconstitutional. And every decision Biden made after that point needs to be withdrawn.

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This deserves to be a meme widely spread around!

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Unfortunately that wouldn’t be fair for the purposes a pardon is actually supposed to address. If you are convicted for a crime you did not commit and for whatever lame reasons courts won’t reconsider the case, or would take too long to do so, a pardon is appropriate. This has happened many times. The innocent person shouldn’t have to admit guilt to be cleared of the crime.

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Practically speaking they have to wait until their last days in office, otherwise they could be impeached. The slavish devotion of party hacks we have experienced the last 4 years couldn’t be counted on for crimes that did not involve the deep state.

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