So It's Back To First Principles (Part 1)

No problem. I’m keeping this hidden until we get more, but it’s ready to fill in with PSP personnel.

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I have been trying to identify the PSP officers myself. Got some of the names. Keep in mind, some of these officers were first observed coming out of the AGR building and are suspects in the shooting of Crooks. To you, and anyone else reading this, be careful.

I would be interested in seeing the evidence showing them first coming out of the AGR 6 building.

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In the DaveStewart724 video. Two PSP officers came out of the AGR building, not sure which door. One of them was identified straight away with his name on his shirt, Tanner. The other one, i tried to identify him and failed. Someone else on this forum beleives his name is Miller. Miller detained a man wearing a yellow jacket, who had a handgun. Who the guy in yellow is, don`t know. I have always been suspicious of him sitting at a picnic table near the watertower and wondering around.

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So, I asked to “see” evidence, not read a speculation, but honestly didn’t expect to see any. Stewart’s video does NOT capture a PSP trooper exiting Door 9, so perhaps your getting this story from somebody else.

Let me show you the real story. Trooper Miller (?) is the first outside LEO to arrive at AGR, but is soon followed by two Butler Township LEOs. The trooper immediately starts looking for Crooks on the roof, and while shots are still being fired he has his rifle pointed towards the roof.

To me, that proves absolutely nothing about the trooper being a bad actor, but rather it proves the opposite. Whether you are reading someone else’s misinformation, or speculating on your own, an honest evaluation of the evidence tells a totally different story about what actually happened.

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I don’t believe this is accurate:

Nicol’s testimony - which may be pure bunkum (as some of it surely is) - is that when the door was finally opened he rushed inside because “he had a man up there” and was even yelled at by the other officers who were rushing in to clear the building to get behind them as Nicol had no protective vest on.

He ignored that because he was so concerned about getting to his man before the sweep team. For some reason.

At any rate, my interpretation is that black shirt/baseball hat guy yanked the door open by force.

There’s no sign that Murcko opened the door that I have seen…

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I’ll grant you that. Thanks! I pulled information from an analysis I did before the Task Force released transcripts, and am still in the process of revising all of my analyses to reflect that information.

The point of the story being that PSP troopers were not inside the building prior to the door being opened, and Stewart’s video did not capture PSP’s exiting.

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To your point: We see 3 PSP at the door when it opens…none of whom are wearing a vest, and yet 2 enter behind Nicol.

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It does indeed look as if he forces it open! Here’s a clip of it zoomed and slowed:
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I will take another look at the video. I made the last two statements from memory and it isn`t anyone else information There were a lot of police officers representing different police forces around the AGR building. At one point, i was more busy there than in Oxford Street in London. All the officers have now been identified apart from one Can you help, The officer is black, is wearing a black uniform, and telling people to “Get the F@ck out of here” as he walked past Nicol.

I have taken another look at the video again. Sorry, my mistake. I thought the 2 PSP police officers Tanner and Miller came running out i think door 9 with the other Washington swat team.

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I don’t recall a black LEO. You’ll have to show me a screenshot and let me know what video it comes from. I’m in the middle of revising multiple analyses and don’t have the time to go searching for him. Thanks.

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These would be from the intersection at Whitestown and Meridian, so I doubt any of these could be Tedeski.

I don’t either, at least not as far as a local or state operator. And my impression was that it was Vensel yelling about “If you’re not law enforcement, GO!” and probably also the “GTFOo here”. Not positive, but it seems that way.

As far as the officer that brute forced the door open, he showed up last in the stack after all the rest, and he appears to have black straps on both wrists. I suspect him to be Sheriff Terry Walker, but have yet to confirm. The wrist straps and lack of tats eliminate McCall and Sawl from what I can tell, and the radio logs imply Terry is near the AGR.

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I read somewhere, (don’t remember if it was the House final report, Higgins’ addendum, or a transcript I’ve read) that at one point officers or secret service thought three guys were playing a kind of hide and seek, they were constantly having to drive them away from the AGR building. One was in a gray shirt (Crooks?) one in a red shirt (Stewart?) and one in a yellow shirt.

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You actually need to ask if this and God knows how many other forums are monitored?

My problem is, he looks through the treeline, and there are some cars. Not sure how many, but two of them seem moving. Perhaps just arrive. It was 1805. I should check Collins’ dashcam. I cannot remember there were other cars.

I used to play hide and seek a lot when i was a child. Higgins secret service and other officers expect us to beleive 3 adults were playing hide and seek? Yeah right. Looks like another cover up for something.