The question I have that would clinch it for me, is did the vehicle come from the direction of Post 5? Based on her testimony I get the impression that was her post, or at least that’s what I recall.
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I imagine so, here’s an approximation of the location:
Or possibly a little further along the fenceline. These are by no means accurate, just meant to approximate the location of the sighting. Though it would seem she came from Post 5.
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Figures, a 50/50 chance is wrong 90% of the time. 
She was Post 4. I knew it was one of the posts I used to start the numbering.
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Ah! And I was just starting to read through page 25! Her testimony has been quite interesting so far, nice catch on this event in there!!
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Possibly? Haven’t come across an image yet so no means of comparing to anyone on site, but the name and rank seem to fit.
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Happy New Year, all! 
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Happy New Year!
We’ll have to pick up the Sgt. Zigo ID next year. I also need to see what more I can find to work out the post numbers better.
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@kincses-zsolt I really couldn’t help myself when I noticed this! 
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Wait a second, please. I haven’t seen the supplement yet. His drawings. It is just a strong inference.
He stated he has known only one door that he used. And we saw him at door 9, in and out.
I think he realized there are other doors as well. So this is like the ambiguity why I didn’t want to compress more the story. I feel they try to keep in as uncertain as they can.
Or he just suffers from C-3PO sindrome and cannot tell stories. 
Journalists and editors might change the story for one reason or another.
(Decades ago I helped headquarter staff to make a book. People of many were unable to handle computers that time, and there was not just M$ Word, but a bunch of different text editors. They had no capacity to print and re-type all the articles. So I helped them a little. Now comes the temporary bias: several authors explained their visit to EU countries. Then an indivitual wrote he had been in several states. I did not realize he refered to U.S., but I also asked the other editors and they agreed it might be no states but countries.)
Another usual issue is the chain of report, many times it is rumorous. They add something to the story and remove some more. It is important to get the information from first hand. (For example, if someone would ask my manager what I do and what methods I use, he had no clue. Despite he would tell you a detailed story with 100% confidence. (We say: burglar story. So a fiction of burglar which was not there but would explain a lot.))
oh, I wish happy new year!
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Hi, sorry i have taken so long to reply back to you. I have been unable to log into my computer for 2 or 3 days. Never had this problem before. Local shop fixed it for me, a lot of money to permenantly bypass this problem. I have heard of videos being taken down on certain platforms starting to wonder if the powers that be are trying other ways.
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To your attention:
No information she had been shot or not.
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Quite confusing discussion.
(I cannot resist to mention, my team speaks like “we put that sh_t into that f* thing”.)
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Greg in the maze:
(Vensel was right about the window, it was Greg who looked out of.)
A: So at that point I went back into the building.
Q: Right.
A: And I stayed on the first floor.
Q: Yep. In the same spot?
A: Hmm?
Q: In the same spot?
(Not the 2nd floor. By the way, there was no 0th year. B.C. 1 and then A.D. 1.)
A: So I went back into the building, and then I’m not sure which route I took. I just was trying to make my way over to –
Q: To the area that you had seen him running to?
A: To the area that I had seen him from on the first floor.
So this is all – like I said, this was all machines.
It was like a maze to me.So I had taken off. I ran back into the building and I made my way over. I believe it was basically down the hallway like this (indicating).
Q: Right. You’re trying to find – you don’t know the inside of this building?
A: Not at all.
I actually walked with the binoculars.
So I made my way over to the side of the building where I had last seen him.
And I’m now looking out the windows. I’m like looking around, and I started to work my way towards this side, you know, towards the event side of the building.
And I’m looking, looking, looking. Well, when I got to this side of the building over here (indicating), I was looking out the windows, and that’s when I noticed – because I’m on the floor at this point –
That’s when I started to notice – I could hear the president talking at this point.
And I’m looking out the windows, and I notice people looking at the building.
(Please remember, some rally goers told Vensel: someone was looking out of the window.)
Q: Right. “People” meaning people who are in the crowd?
A: People that were outside of the AGR building.
They’re like looking.
And I’m looking out the window at them, and like they’re looking towards the building at me, and I’m like, “What is going on here?”
So I moved down. Like I said, I’m moving down the building basically from window to window.
I’m looking, and I go down a little bit further and I look again, and now they’re all, like, staring at the building and he would be behind them.
Q: “He” being who?
A: Trump.
Talking. And I’m like –
So in my head, what I thought at this point is I’m like those guys found him out there and they’re dealing with him and everybody –
Q: Is watching the arrest?
A: Is watching them deal with him.
(Assumptions again, best case assumptions. (Those people found him earlier than cops.))
Q: Right. Right.
A: Well, and then I heard boom. Boom, boom, boom. That’s when I heard the gunfire.
And people started to run.
Q: I’m going to have to fill in a few things, but I want to clarify just a couple of points that you just made just for me.
So on 2 you’ve marked with like a circle and an X. That is approximately where you were when you heard the gunshots; is that right?
A: Yes.
Q: So you said you were unfamiliar with this building. You never got a tour of this building; right?
A: No.
(Unprofessional question. The answer should be: “correct” of “affirmative”.)
Q: Had you had a tour of this building or had familiarity with where it would have been, was there an exit on that northwestern corner of that second building in the AGR complex where you were stationed?
A: Yes.
Q: So if you had, would you then have exited that way upon looking for Crooks?
A: No. Probably not.
Q: And is that because you thought the building, he had circled around?
A: Yes.
Q: If you were to exit the building, knowing he couldn’t connect through that way, would you have followed him in that path?
A: I don’t know that I would have.
If I had known the building was connected and he just ran around there and didn’t go nowhere, I probably would have stayed on the second floor.
Q: Okay. And you would have just directed people to that point?
A: Yes.
Q: You have the P with patrol on 2.
Do you know what law enforcement agency those images were?
A: No.
(Tedeski was in the unmarked car. Some seargeant was in the other car, Maybe both car had two cops in, However, possibly the patrol was in pair, but the trafic control left one of them at the intersection. Not clear yet.)
Q: Okay.
A: I mean, I was pretty sure it was Butler Township.
But at the time I didn’t know who it was.Q: On 2, could you write the word “bicycle” approximately where you saw the bicycle?
A: (Indicating).
Q: Perfect, okay.
Give me the time one more time approximately when you see Crooks at the table with his backpack.
A: It was 6:06, 6:07.Q: I am showing you a radio log that we’ve been provided on my computer.
A: Well, that will give you a better time.
Q: It says 18:02:52 – or 18:02:43 – and it says, “. All right. Subject is in between the AGR building with his backpack. Just went around towards Sheetz.”
Is that possible that it was at 6:02?
A: Yeah. I mean, I don’t know – yeah.
Q: Possible?
A: No. That was – yeah, the 4 CR-2 was me because we were identified by county and our county number is 4, and then I was CR-2.
Q: Okay. So the timelines earlier, when you thought it was about 1806, it’s 18:02:43, shifting a few minutes earlier? Is that about right?
A: Yes.
Q: And you said he sees you looking at him, or no?
A: No. Not that I know of.
Q: So what prompts him, in your mind – I know you’re speculating – what prompts him, in your mind, to then run and circle around that building?
A: I have no idea. Just like it’s time to go. I don’t know.
Q: Something happened. But he’s sitting down. You’re looking at him?
A: He wasn’t sitting. He was kind of standing beside the table, and then he just like grabbed the backpack and boom.
: Had Trump started speaking, or was he announced at that point?
A: I don’t know. I wasn’t paying much attention to that.
Like I said, the only reason I even remember him talking when I was on the first floor is just because I thought it was odd and I remembered hearing his voice.
And them people all looking at the building. I’m like, well, why is he out there and they’re looking in here?
No, I wasn’t sure if they even announced he’s about to arrive.
Yeah, I’m not – I don’t remember.
(We can check that. 18:02:33)
Q: Okay. So you’re watching him. He takes off. Goes around. Anything you note about the backpack?
A: No. I just knew he grabbed a bag.
Q: I assume you would have told us this. There wasn’t anything poking out of it like a –
A: Not that I recall.Q: Do you know? Have you been in those press boxes?
A: No.
Q: Do you know or are you able to say with any degree of certainty if someone in that press box would have had a view over the AGR roof?
A: I have no idea.
Q: Do you know who was stationed there on that day?
A: I believe Washington County was over there.
Q: I want to ask you about your Commander or Deputy Commander . He was with the counterassault team?
A: Yes.
Q: He wasn’t in the command trailer?
A: No.Q: Okay. I want to talk about Butler ESU. You had said earlier they basically gave you – you show up at AGR. They give you your assignment; right?
A: Yes.
Q: They tell you where to be. They tell you you’re going to be in the building?
A: Yes.
Q: Did they say anything about the roof?
A: No.
Q: No discussion whatsoever?
A: Not with us.
Q: And you guys are just like, “Fair enough. That’s where we are.”
In your mind – like you had been prepped to go on the roof, right, if necessary?
A: Yes.
Q: Yeah. Any sense of why you were told to be inside by Butler ESU as opposed to outside?
A: No. That’s where they said that they’d identified positions that they wanted to cover and observation of the areas of responsibility that they wanted to be covered.
This is where they wanted us to be, and it was their game. We were there to help.
So to change something in the middle of it is not always the best, especially from a sniper standpoint, because if they say we have snipers in this window and that window and I decide to go on the other side of the building in that window, you know, it’s not a good thing for me.
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Eagle Eye, please. Greg was looking out of several windows - and some rally goers saw him looking out, and reported to Vensel.
There were minimal number of people at the south side. When I understand correctly, Nicol started looking out of the window at west side and he moved toward east. (And that’s not easy, there are cabinets, small rooms, he had to open the doors. But maybe we can see, if not his face, some light flashes when he opened the door.)
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On other social media platforms there saying the shot that hit trumps ear came from behind him. The 2 shots were not fired by an A15 rifle, instead some type of handgun. I used specialist software to slow the video right down and captured the 2 shots going past and did not hit Trumps ear on either side. The audio shot that hit his ear is too fast and i am struggling to capture this, and don`t think i will. bullitt. Doug Mills of the NY Times is suspicious.
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Thanks for posting this transcript. It’s somewhat believable that Nicol is telling the truth, and that he is innocent of everything but incompetence.
My substack name is SkepticalActuary for a reason, though. These people had a LOOOONG time to coordinate their stories, and they knew that they could use incompetence and lack of communication as excuses as often as they wanted.
We know that the Hercules 2 team was taking fire from supersonic rounds that were suppressed to the extent that the counter sniper did not hear the report from the rifle.
We saw the bleacher back railing get hit before the shot that hit Trump’s ear, and it hit in a spot that would have had to have gone through
the rallygoer with the “Tough Old Bird” shirt if it had come from the AGR building. The shots that hit Mr. Copenhaver and Mr. Dutch seem to have a trajectory that comes from beyond the Hercules 2 team.
There are still things that are suspicious as hell about window 3 in the AGR 6 building, but the Trump ear bullet doesn’t seem to have impacted anything that’s been identified, so there’s no particular reason to think shots came from there.
There is a reason to think audible shots 1-3 came from within a building - the audible signatures are different, they sound muffled, and there is not the echo that we hear with shots 4-8. The two story building Nicol and Murcko were in would have to be a big possibility, after all there were windows open there, and rifles were set up, pointing toward the stage.
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I’m intrigued. Could you link the source?
Given the fact Trump’s ear was hit and not his skull, the shot would have be coming from the direction of the AGR buildings, fairly close on a line with Crooks, or else from the exact opposite direction, more or less from the direction of the right hand bleachers.
I don’t know a whole lot about how accurate handguns can be from a distance. With a tiny bit of research I see that at a range of about 50 yards a marksman with an excellent .45 pistol can stay within a few inches of the center of the bullseye.
On the other end of pistol accuracy there is the $75 revolver Hinckley used to shoot Ronald Reagan. It would probably be possible to accurately aim directly at the heart of someone from 25 feet and completely miss with that gun.
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A couple things I’d like to note here, that 18:18:01 call by Vensel is made on the Police 2 channel, not PDOps3 or PDO4, and it comes after the first group makes entry to the building. So any faces seen in windows could very well be not only Greg but also any of the other responding members at that point. And it’s about five minutes after that call that police 2 and pdo3 get patched, streamlining comms. When it comes to passing relevant important information to different individuals, the groupings and different channels utilized does seemingly make it difficult to quickly pass important accurate details. I mean really, we’re working across I think 6 or so channels at least:
Police 2
Pdo3
Pdo4
Sheriff
Psp
And 3 for USSS, so yeah 6 is the low end estimate assuming the 3 SS channels were completely interoperable.
And then there’s other channels for fire and EMS, it becomes quite a complicated spider web of communication.
Oh and wasn’t WRSWAT using a channel for their own ops too? I wonder if it’s one of the channels already used, like pdo4, with a different squelch code.
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Murcko was leaning out of first window (from left I guess). That window could not be opened, but later he forced it to open.
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Q: You were brought over with the Butler ESU folks, and that was probably around 11:15?
A: It was earlier than that.
Q: A little bit earlier than that?
A: Probably 10:30.
Q: I guess then it seems like you would have potentially had time to do a site survey of where you are being posted.
Do you feel like you would have had time to kind of look at the complex before setting up?
Is that like standard procedure?
A: Well, we were told they wanted us in place by 10:30, I think it was. 10:30, 10:45. I think, honestly, 10:30 for some reason.
Q: Would you typically go, if you’re being placed in a sniper capacity in a specific location, would you typically tour the site beforehand or kind of get your bearings around the area?
A: I mean, typically I would have been – I mean, if it was a project that I was running, I would have had them up there a day or two prior to just tour the whole site, not just that building.
Q: You mentioned typically as a sniper/counter-sniper, as someone basically focused beyond your immediate vicinity, you would not be in a building or location that is not secured by another group of folks; is that right?
A: Yeah.
Q: Any relative concern about that being inside versus on a roof, or similar, different levels of danger?
A: I would assume the same, whether we were on the roof or inside. I mean, I would assume that somebody would have been on the ground in a general area, at least.
Q: And that is because – just to make it very clear, can you say why you would have assumed that?
A: Because that’s typically what is done. You know, you have some type of security for your personnel there set up.
Q: And you’re saying that, based on your experience of decades in law enforcement, that it is common community knowledge that a sniper should have some sort of surrounding protection?
A: Absolutely.
A: A combine.
Q: How did that affect your sight lines?
A: So I did not have sight of the stage because of the combine. I couldn’t see – I couldn’t see the stage. I couldn’t see the stage or the middle grandstand.Q: Do you ever get up on the roof where Crooks was eventually located?
A: No.
Q: So fair to say that from Crooks’ perspective, obviously a different angle, but whatever was in front of the combine within the crowd would have been blocked?
The combine – so you said the combine blocked your view of the stage.
A: Yes.
Q: Had that combine been in front of the stage from Crooks’ perspective, he would also have not been able to see the stage?
A: No, he wouldn’t have been able to see the stage.
Q: Okay, got it. Yeah, sorry. A bad question asks for a negative answer.
A: I mean, he moved far enough down the building that he was behind the combine.
Q: Right. Horizontally, he no longer was worried about that?
A: Yeah. Absolutely.Q: You first see Mr. Crooks around 1700. That’s just when he’s kind of ambling about?
A: Yeah. Maybe a little bit after that, but, yeah.
Q: Give or take. Then you leave. Come back. [Murcko] says, “Oh. I also saw this guy”; is that right?
A: Yes.
Q: And you guys are like, “That’s kind of funky.” And then you’re looking around, and around 1715, you look down and see him immediately?
A: Yes.
Q: On the wall?
A: Yeah. He’s sitting – yeah.
Q: That’s when that picture is?
A: Yeah.
Q: He remains there for about 20 minutes until you see him take out a range finder; is that right?
A: No. I didn’t remain there because he had got up at one point and walked around the building, and that’s why I had got up and was going looking for him, and that’s when I seen the bike.
The bike was on the opposite side.
(Wait a second. Woods reported a car in the parking lot and the kid at east picnic table. (Later he said that was Crooks.) Then a bike at western side. How to reconcile that? The bike was not inside/around that strange car at south-east picnic table. Anyway, we should figure out that who’s car was it.)
Q: Did he ever touch the bike?
A: No.
Q: Did he ever touch the backpack near the bike?
A: Not that I know of.
Q: Did he have a different backpack?
A: So specifically the backpack that was at the bike was not the one that he picked up because after the whole shooting and everything, I went back and looked at that bike and everything was still there.
Q: Still there. Do you know where his backpack was at another point?
Like prior to, when you see him with a range finder, does he have a backpack on?
A: No. I don’t where that backpack –
Q: You don’t know where it came from.
Q: We talked about time, and I had the benefit of looking at an Excel spreadsheet.
At around 1743 – does that sound right? – when you radio over OPS 4, “Hey, there’s this guy lurking around”?
A: Yes.
Q: At 1745, you said someone from command said, “Oh, someone’s going to deal with it”; is that right?
A: Yeah.Q: Did you ever see PSP or sheriffs at any point, to your recollection, before the shots?
A: No. I mean, there was a PSP and some sheriff’s cars that were positioned in this open field.
Q: And I want to ask you about that. Did you ever see them interact with the crowd around AGR?
A: Not that I remember.Q: Redirecting your attention kind of to 1730 to the 1745 timeline, still approximately about hundreds of people, a hundred people?
Do you want to throw out an estimate? Hundreds?
A: Yeah.
So I think most of them were trying to get under trees.
But I mean, the majority of the people that I could see were in this area here (indicating) and then there were some throughout the fence line.
Q: It’s just everyone kind of watching the rally?
A: Pretty much, yeah.
I mean, I thought the perimeter was kind of small, you know, for that type of event. I mean, we were able to see them, even though that wasn’t
typically our assignment. You know, then with all them people around, it was another reason that, you know, I thought there were uniforms in that area.
Q: I presume you didn’t see anyone with a weapon during that time?
A: No.
Q: Either holstered or carried?
A: No.
Q: Okay. And they wouldn’t have screened through there; right?
A: No.
Q: And I want to ask you about this radio. So you’re on OPS 4. Do you know how to switch on that channel to other channels?
A: Not really.
Q: So no one familiarized you with that equipment?
A: No. They put it on Channel 4 and handed it to me and said, “Here.”
Q: You weren’t told that, “Hey, if you need to go to OPS 3 to reach patrol, this is how you do it”?
A: No.Q: Had you known that, is that something you would have done, or would you have kept it on OPS 4?
A: I don’t know because, I mean, I’m sure I could have figured out how to change the channel. I was focused on him. So any communications I had, I was going over the tactical channel.
Q: When you lose Crooks, did you communicate with at any time between then and the shooting?
A: No.
Q: You have the radio with you when you leave?
A: Yeah.
Q: Did you hear anyone say anything on OPS 4 about someone on the roof or doing anything from the time period of, let’s say, 1802 to the shots fired at 1811?
A: The only time I think I remember hearing anything about somebody being on the roof was after the shots were fired on OPS 4, but I’m not positive on that because like I said, I was running around the building down there.
(TODO: check timeline, radio log)
Q: Yeah. From the vantage point – were responsible for the roof of the AGR complex
A: I mean, where he was sitting you couldn’t – even if my gun barrel was hanging out the window of the room that I was in, I still wouldn’t have been able to see him down where he was at. I mean, you just couldn’t see that far down.
Q: If someone had alerted you – and I don’t want you to speak for – but let’s say you’re up in there and someone says, “There’s someone on the roof.” At that point you have the ability to put your head and rifle out the roof and look for someone; is that right?
A: I could have found a way, yeah. I mean, the windows, they were – so those windows were narrow and they opened right to left or left to right, but they didn’t open up and down. They had screens on them.
But I mean, if somebody would have said, “There’s somebody on the roof with a gun,” I would have busted the window out.
A: And if I would have known or heard that there was somebody on the roof when I was up there, I mean, there’s a window I could have climbed out of.
Q: So in the minutes prior to the shooting, had someone radioed in over OPS 4, “There’s someone on the roof,” you would have had the ability to find a window suitable enough to get a viewpoint over the roof?
A: I don’t know if I would have because I was down on the floor.
Q: What do you do next?
A: Once I hear the shots were fired, I head back to that because like I said, at some point, I believe, after the shots were fired, I heard on the radio, “Shooter on the roof of the AGR building,” or something to that effect," because at that point I was like, “Shit. I’m in the AGR building.”
And then I made my way back to that first, the door where I had stepped out and entered from.
Q: The southeastern one?
A: Yes.
When I got there, that’s when – I mean, he had already been – he had been taken out at that point.
I came out the door, and when I came out the door, you know, the door shut behind me. So I was locked out.
(A-ha. So he was locked out after the shooting. So we got distorted story first.)
Q: You don’t have your rifle at this point?
A: No, I do not.
Q: Do you have a sidearm?
A: Yes.
So I came out the door. The door shut behind me, and then I encountered – there were a couple troopers, Pennsylvania State Police, that were in plain clothes, but – I mean, they had TAC vests on and stuff, but they were in plain clothes.
I knew them guys from dealing with them. They were a lot of our drugs guys, and I just knew them from dealing with them and that.
And then they came around the building and they were like, “Hey, where’s the evidence?”
“On the roof. You know, he’s right up here.” And I just basically sat there or stood out there until – I don’t know who or how they got – I don’t know if somebody had a keycard and opened the door.But then once they got the door opened, they kept saying, “We gotta clear this building. We gotta clear this building.”
At that point I was like, “Hold on. I got a guy on the second floor.” And they’re like, “Eh, we gotta clear the building.”
As soon as they got the door opened, I went back into the building to the second floor. They were kind of yelling at me because I didn’t have a vest on.
Q: The dude’s concerned for your safety?
A: Yes.
Q: Because you don’t know how many people are there? You know –
A: Well, they didn’t know anything about the building.
Because they were uniformed guys that had nothing to do with anything. They didn’t know anything about the building.
But I was like, “I got a guy on the second floor. I’m going. You’re not going to just go up there and whatever.”
So when I got back up onto the second floor, as I was going up to the second floor, I was yelling.
I’m like, “! ! Coming up! Coming up!” And he was like, “Okay.”
I said, “Where are you at?”
He said, “I’m in the first room on the floor.”
So when I got up there, he had told me, “I’m in the first room. I’m in the first room.”So I got up there, and then when I seen him, he was like kind of leaning out the window covering down on Crooks, who was already neutralized at this point.
So what I found out from was that after he heard the shots and somebody said that, you know, the shooter was on the AGR, he had pulled his rifle from the position that he was in, and he went down into that first room and basically – he didn’t break the window out, but he forced it open because that was one of the windows that they couldn’t get open originally. So we just left it closed.
He basically had forced that window open and then leaned out and covered down on him until somebody got up on the roof.Q: Do you have a sense of why he left where his rifle was initially positioned, going to get his rifle, then repositioned in the other window to go there? Was there a difference in view, or are you unsure?
A: Yeah. A lot. A big difference in view.
I mean, the further down the building you go, the harder it is to see down that far of the building.
So if he would have stayed where he was and tried to hold down on him, he literally would have probably had to hang his body out the window, as opposed to just kind of leaning out the window from the first window.
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Thank you for reminding me.
Someone said: there is only one thing that more dangerous than nuclear weapons, and that is Hollywood.
Well, when you watch a movie, within first two minutes you get who is your guy, which side is yours. They know well how to do it.
From my perspective, and it is the starting point of gaming theory by John von Neumann. “You know that I know that you know etc.” So from this perspective:
- Nicol gave them to find something, so they were able to correct the estimated time when the suspect accessed the roof.
- And they also let us find subtle issues.
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