So It's Back To First Principles (Part 1)

The question is, are they American 500 nuclear warheads stationed around Europe. Sweden now want nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the Russians. Are they going to be American too.

Well well well, assuming everyone is telling the truth on this Twitter feed, it looks we have a witness who saw Maxwell Yearick at the Butler farm show rally on july 13th. If true, explains all the fake videos of Crooks, Yearick on the roof, and why the pictures of Crooks been doctored

Even if Crooks and Yearick both were killed in the attempt, other shooters were involved North and Northeast of AGR6.
Also, 3 gunshots, among others, and sounding far north of AGR, were fired at
18:13:40
18:13:45
and
18:13:51, when Trump’s car was driving slowly south.
Shooters, besides Crooks and Yearick, are not mentioned.

How do you know that they didn’t use a professional shooter?
(and I don’t mean Crooks, or Yearick). All of you, apparently, keep pointing to a spot on the roof, but I keep seeing Copenhaver’s phone aiming to Trump’s ear, and then…too far west of the dead body spot.
A heating/ventilation contractor on X pointed to openings in the south, lower ends of those 4 ventilation ducts which, I read, were not for ventilation, but were for equipment coating glass with tin oxide.
And the duct openings seem to be higher than the fence top ~15 meters south of them.

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This was already discussed here in the forum months ago.

You missed the boat and are now wandering around.

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I have my own boat, and I don’t wander.
Was your forum’s conclusion shown on TV, as was NBC’s Tom Llamas stating that ‘both men were hit with shots aimed at The President.’?

I’m usually the last person to praise TV, but NBC may have a bigger audience than your forum board.

If Copenhaver’s arm to Trump’s ear aligns to a reasonable AGR6 roof location, then I’ll stop looking at other locations on the building.

I would say our forum has not come to a conclusion, and is still considering available evidence. Claiming a conclusion shown on tv to be a correct conclusion, you have a myriad of contrasting information or claims made on tv to then work through.

How is that relevant to factuality or evidential integrity?

I still don’t see evidence to support Trump’s ear shot being the same shot that grazed Copenhaver’s arm.

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I was replying to a poster who claimed that this board’s ‘conclusion’, based on discussions buried in thousands of posts, is factual evidence, and obviously NBC’s audience will have reached other conclusions.

You never will, but seeing, supplemented by hearing, helped me:
Copenhaver’s arm flipped up as Trump finished his final speech words:
“UhOh!”

Did you hear “UhOh!”?
If not, I’m sorry to learn of your hearing impairment.

More: I was replying to a poster claiming that “the decision of the judges***”(his apostles/desciples/proselytes) is final, so no more evidence needs consideration.
And I was just advising that he may need to convince a bigger audience.

***and the tabulated results of the decision have been sealed, in a mayonnaise jar, on the front porch of Funk&Wagnalls

I do not understand why everyone are talking that Copenhaver got shot. There’s enough of videos that show that there was NO BLOOD on him at any moment of that day. No blood when he got shot. No blood when he got carried away. And remember that he waited for MINUTES before anyone got there to help him. Same with Dutch. No blood.

So my question is. Why are you debating that they got shot?

No one, except me, is talking about Copenhaver being shot.

I’m not debating whether Copenhaver and Dutch were shot…I’m claiming that, as fact.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-men-wounded-gunman-opened-fire-trump-rally-say-secret-service-failed-rcna173357

So for you, a situation where there are two bullets shot per person without any blood, is a totally normal situation? No alarms ringing anywhere?

“Dutch was shot in the chest and liver and was initially in a medically induced coma after the shooting,”

“Copenhaver was shot in the triceps and abdomen”

There was no instance of ‘2 bullets per person’
There was 1/2 bullet per person for the 1st shot(1/2 for Trump, and 1/2 for Copenhaver
There was 1 bullet per person(Dutch) for the 2nd shot
There was 1 bullet per person(Copenhaver) for the 3nd shot
And of course there was blood.
Were you there in the back row of the Southwest bleachers, or were you at the podium?

Okay. Where was the blood? As I stated. There are enough of videos that show that there was no blood on them on that day.

Well I just provided you sources that states that there were two bullets per person. Kinda odd that you state that “no there were no situation like that”.

This video shows Copenhaver. You can clearly see that he reacts to them when the burst starts, so your analysis that one of the first three bullets hits him, is wrong. The video also shows that his left sleeve does not go away as he stated later on an interview. There’s also no blood coming from his triceps (left one).

And remember that the first shot fired, does not hit anyone on the bleachers, but it hits the rail.

I remember the first reports were not so accurate - he stumbled etc.
Even what high rank officials said were almost fake news.

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I saw videos showing plenty of blood, especially Dutch’s blood. Copenhaver’s abdomen still contains the bullet.

If they claim ‘2 bullets per person’ are they dividing 8 total shots by 4 total victims?
If so their accounting disregards the fact that shots 4,5, 7, and 8 didn’t hit anyone.

The only section where there was visible “blood” was the bleacher where Corey got shot. Maybe you are referring to that blood?

The video I just provided clearly shows Copenhaver’s reaction only to the burst. And yet still you are saying to me that those bullets didn’t hit anyone?

Yes, the first headlines were ‘Trump falls at rally’, while neglecting to tell us that Joe had Parkinson’s dementia for the past 10 years.

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No, I didn’t see much blood from Corey’s head injury. The most blood I saw was in David Dutch’s colorful flag shirt.

Well then I am sorry but I will choose to believe my own eyes, not a statement that someone in the internet says without any proof :slight_smile:

Here’s the part where Dutch and Copenhaver are taking away:

Also that eyewitness states on that clip that de did not see any blood and that he only saw Dutch and Copenhaver taken away.

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