So It's Back To First Principles (Part 2)

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@roger-knight

Shot 3 is assigned accordingly

If Shot3 hit and killed Corey Comperatore, how could Corey continue to hold and record with his phone for seconds, after Trump was down?

[roger-knight]

You can clearly see Copenhaver literally collapse when he is hit. I might not have the exact sequence correct—we should align the moment of collapse with the sound of the shot—but it definitely appears that Copenhaver is struck during shots 4 through 8.

[roger-knight]

Great question — give me a little time to put together a clear and well-supported response.

[sonjax6]

@phiphi-the-frenchie

You highlight part of my message but you don’t answer the main question!

Sorry. I thought you were joking and answered in that spirit. The FBI is ostensibly investigating the assassination attempt at Butler, PA, and the bullet hole in the telehandler line would certainly be an important piece of evidence.

But to someone who’s patience is wearing thin, it looks like they haven’t really performed an investigation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-global-hunt-for-butler-gunman-s-motive-fbi-finds-a-loner-and-a-cipher/ar-AA1IsZtZ

“The case remains classified as open, but a current senior FBI official said no new leads are being actively mined.”

The FBI has historically used “active investigation” to deny requests for information.

[daniel59]

@kincses-zsolt

I watched it at slow motion.

I watched it frame by frame.

The two move their arms almost at the same moment as Copenhaver, namely when the first shot is heard.

I suspect that all three touched the railing with their right hands and that the impact of the bullet on the railing as a tactile stimulus led to a shorter reaction time.

@roger-knight

It’s important to note that these shots completely miss Trump.

Shot 6 hit Comperatore

@roger-knight

But we must remember that by the time shots 4–8 occurred, Trump was already covered by a pile of Secret Service agents. As no one was injured in that group, it’s reasonable to assume Crooks deliberately aimed higher, over the pile, which would explain how Copenhaver was hit twice.

You once said that Crooks couldn’t hit Trump lying on the floor because Bleacher was in the way.
Has anything changed in that regard?

If you come to the same conclusion as Wilcox, who had LiDAR data collected on site himself, your 3D model must be very close to reality.

@roger-knight

The only discrepancy with Wilcox’s account is his claim that ** Corey Comparatore** was shot instead of Copenhaver. However, it’s likely that Wilcox does not have access to the HD banner impact image.

But the stage microphone did not pick up the sonic boom from shot 6. How do the bullet holes in the banner change that?

[roger-knight]

@flamecensor

If Shot3 hit and killed Corey Comperatore, how could Corey continue to hold and record with his phone for seconds, after Trump was down?

Instead of sharing the entire evaluation all at once—which makes it difficult to follow due to the amount of information—may I suggest that we go through it step by step together?

[roger-knight]

@daniel59

Shot 6 hit Comperatore

Okay, then perhaps reversing the shot sequence would make more sense—something like this:

@daniel59

You once said that Crooks couldn’t hit Trump lying on the floor because Bleacher was in the way.
Has anything changed in that regard?

Yes, I mentioned it in my explainatoin.

@roger-knight

Originally, I had ruled out Crooks, assuming he hadn’t fired any shots due to what appeared to be an obstruction from the left-side bleachers, which seemed to block a clear line of fire toward Copenhaver. Since discovering the high-resolution banner image, however, I hadn’t yet simulated this specific shot path.

Now, with the newly identified impact points located significantly higher than I had previously estimated, it appears that Crooks had a collision-free trajectory after all.

The moment I ruled out Crooks was when I initially estimated Copenhaver’s impact point—without knowing the exact location of the shot impacts.

However, as you’ll recall, we’ve since discovered the HD banner photo, which shows that the actual impact position is much higher than I originally thought. Having already put the Crooks theory on the back burner, I hadn’t rechecked the updated shot trajectory connecting Crooks to the newly identified impact point—until just now and the shot trajectory seems to be clear:

@daniel59

If you come to the same conclusion as Wilcox, who had LiDAR data collected on site himself, your 3D model must be very close to reality.

This 3D CAD model is the result of our collective Peak Prosperity efforts over the past year. The more information we gather, the closer we get to an accurate representation of reality. As for the Wilcox LiDAR data, they’ve stated that it will be made available for download. That would be very interesting to review—once we have it, we could compare both findings and focus on any differences.

On the homepage of https://whoshottrump.us/ we can see that maybe the files will soon be available:

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

As I mentioned earlier, when I reviewed Slick Hick’s video, I saw Comperatore collapse when I heard shot 5. Given that there were 2.8 seconds between shots 3 and 4, he certainly wasn’t hit by shot 3. Most likely, it was shot 4 that killed him, perhaps 5, but not shots 6 through 8, which came after.
Of course, this reasoning is only valid if the sound is synchronized with the image in the video…

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

I wanted an answer about the hydraulic fluid stains that must have covered the vehicle…

[roger-knight]

I just want to remind everyone to revisit the videos from Chris—the guy who originally got us all started. It’s truly remarkable how, based on our latest analysis, Chris had already figured out almost everything a year ago.

It’s a bit sad that he’s no longer actively participating in our discussions, but please take a moment to rewatch this video which was posted a year ago, starting at 12:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouUbMYb7Bc&t=760s

He gets so much right: the presence of two shooters, the bullet sizes from shots 1–3, the mention of a rising bullet, and even the correct interpretation of the echoes. Chris had essentially solved 90% of the case back then.

Hats off to @cmartenson

[kincses-zsolt]

@roger-knight

It’s truly remarkable how, based on our latest analysis, Chris had already figured out almost everything a year ago.

Last week I watched some of his videos again, and yessss. He knew a lot of things way before we figured out.

[flamecensor]

I’ve had hydraulic fluid on my hands most of the week.
I know it must be corrosive, but it’s a light amber color, and I think it doesn’t stain.

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@phiphi-the-frenchie

not shots 6 through 8

Shot 6 sounded muffled on many recordings, I think because Comperatore stopped that bullet’s path.

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@roger-knight

the entire evaluation all at once—which makes it difficult to follow due to the amount of information—may I suggest that we go through it step by step together?

You’re complicating something very simple.

1. Shot One hit Copenhaver(and Trump)
2. Shot Two hit Dutch, and the hydraulic fluid.
3. Shot Three is nestled against Copehaver’s spine.

Yearick’s wild shots 4,5,6,7,8 in 0.78 second, were nowhere near the podium, nor the south bleacher.
Shot 6 hit Comperatore, and Shot 7 or 8 probably hit the Warehouse(sometimes called ‘barn’) door.
Tucker Carlson’s January ‘update’ was not good, but Sean Davis insisted that those 5 fast shots ‘were all way up high’.
Davis must have had some clues from witnesses.

[daniel59]

@flamecensor

• Shot One hit Copenhaver(and Trump)
• Shot Two hit Dutch, and the hydraulic fluid.
• Shot Three is nestled against Copehaver’s spine.

wrong
You have reached the maximum number of errors possible.

[kincses-zsolt]

@daniel59

But the stage microphone did not pick up the sonic boom from shot 6. How do the bullet holes in the banner change that?

Good question.

This was the best documented attempt ever. There were thousands of people with recording capabilities. Not only one person (Zapruder). And most of the footages are useless.

Abraham Zapruder was a Ukrainian-born American clothing manufacturer who became historically significant for filming the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas.

Key Facts about Zapruder:

• Born: May 15, 1905, in the Russian Empire (now Ukraine)
• Died: August 30, 1970, in Dallas, Texas, USA
• Occupation: Dress manufacturer
• Nationality: American

[kincses-zsolt]

@phiphi-the-frenchie

I saw Comperatore collapse when I heard shot 5. Given that there were 2.8 seconds between shots 3 and 4, he certainly wasn’t hit by shot 3.

We don’t know. Depends on the injury he suffered, but we don’t know that either.
Dr Sweetland or Rico Elmore should say something more about that wound.

[kincses-zsolt]

@phiphi-the-frenchie

I wanted an answer about the hydraulic fluid stains that must have covered the vehicle…

JD Wilcox started his investigation, he activated himself in September. I think the telehandler was cleaned within approx. 2 month period.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

That’s the assumption that was made but Slick Hick’s video shows that he collapsed BEFORE shot 6!

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

When was the photo taken showing the hole in the tube and the surrounding surfaces perfectly clean, with no trace of hydraulic fluid?
When did the FBI cut off this piece of tube?