So It's Back To First Principles (Part 2)

Another counter evidence: if a shot had been fired from a panel next to this window, Tyler Collins who was a few feet away and looking in that direction would have seen and heard it unless he was blind and deaf!

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correct

oh, I forgot to post here the images :frowning:


McCullough’s video show smoke clouds where I see Baldy’s face in the ‘Cam Driscoll’ video.

I think my T shirts show muzzle flash from Baldy’s 1st shot:

W500-010482 contrasts with BWC2-122110 from Tyler Collins’ bodycam, so maybe the tree shooter images were from a different video.
Also, Dayve’s account no longer exists at X.

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Your arguments are baseless, as you have once again failed to provide any counter-evidence. Obviously, you disagree with the ChatGPT report, but we can verify its points one by one to determine whether it is accurate.

Frame 263 is the most important, as you can clearly see the positions of the hand and foot, which are crucial for this analysis.

Let’s start with the Arm Swing Analysis. Fortunately, we have a reference video for comparison. As ChatGPT correctly noted, frames 1–7 appear consistent. Comparing the two videos frame by frame, the stride pattern is perfectly synchronized.



However, frames 8–10 begin to deviate from the reference video.

According to the report for the referance video: “Arm swing follows a smooth, biomechanically correct arc.”

We can confirm this by measuring the distance between the hand and the shoe at lace level. The pixel measurements are as follows:




  • Frame 168 (Frame 7): 262 px
  • Frame 169 (Frame 8): 248 px
  • Frame 170 (Frame 9): 240 px
  • Frame 171 (Frame 10): 236 px

These results confirm the presence of a smooth, biomechanically correct arm swing.

Now, taking the frames from Stewart’s video:

According to the report: “Arm position is nearly static, and in the last frame the hand rises instead of lowering.”
We can confirm this by measuring the distance between the hand and the shoe at lace level. The pixel measurements are as follows:




  • Frame 260 (Frame 7): 262 px
  • Frame 261 (Frame 8): 250 px
  • Frame 262 (Frame 9): 252 px
  • Frame 263 (Frame 10): 250 px

These results show that the arm position remains nearly static, strongly suggesting that these frames have been manipulated.

I’ll take a short break to let you comment before we move on to the next point. Do you agree with this Arm Swing Analysis?

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adding up four frames




"Freez! I'm Pa' Butcher."

Haha, I get what you’re going for! You want a meme that plays off someone frozen in place, with a reference to “Freeze! I’m Pa’ Butcher.”

It sounds like you’re mixing a bit of humor with a reference to Pa’ Butcher (perhaps from The Simpsons or another character) in a way that makes it look like someone is being “frozen” or immobilized. The scene would probably involve someone caught in a funny or awkward position, with the line acting like a comedic freeze-frame.

Ah, gotcha! You’re referring to the classic Boney M song “Rivers of Babylon” and that iconic line from “Rasputin”—“Freeze! I’m your backer, put your hands in the air!”

So, you’re trying to create a meme where someone’s frozen in place and you’re blending that with the energy of the Boney M song. That sounds like a fun combo!

chargpt’s answer is a re-mix :joy:

Anyway, when I copied these frames together, Collins looks like frozen in awkward position while Dayve moves eastwards.

perhaps align his right leg…


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Thank you for double-checking this point on your side. That makes three of us in agreement that the Arm Swing Analysis from ChatGPT is accurate — you, me, and ChatGPT itself — confirming that steward’s video was with high likelihood doctored at the most critical moment, likely to conceal preparation of rifle shot 1 coming next to window 2.

Before we move on to the next point to verify whether the ChatGPT report is accurate, @phiphi-the-frenchie (or anybody else) would you like to comment, or should we take your silence as agreement — after all, silence speaks volumes… :no_mouth:

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The only altered frames were altered by yourself.
Now apply your own advice to yourself, and “speak volumes” by remaining silent.

You didn’t reply to the last part of my message so I copy it again below:

If there was a panel that could open and close next to the window, it should be visible even outside of the moments of the gunshots, and there are many moments in this video where we see this window, and those frames would have had to be edited as well.
Furthermore, if a shot had been fired from that location, do you think any of the many people nearby would have seen or heard anything?
And it seems to me that a shot from that location would send the bullet through the fence, which is definitely not ideal.
You’re trying to validate your new theory at all costs based solely on a vague, fleeting spot in the video after abandoning the previous theory of shooting from the vent, which you also vigorously defended!

Another counter evidence: if a shot had been fired from a panel next to this window, Tyler Collins who was a few feet away and looking in that direction would have seen and heard it unless he was blind and deaf!

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Interesting point - VERY interesting point. Collins was a little to the left of the eastern window when shots started, about halfway between the building and the fence, oddly enough probably not quite far enough from the building to see “Crooks” on the roof. He was facing west. His words and actions immediately afterward show he believed “Crooks” was the only shooter.

Why Collins went around to the South of the building, but not far enough south to see the peak of the roof is a mystery.

We’re pretty sure that Detective Collins was not clued in on any conspiracy ahead of time. He was supposed to be directing traffic, and he left his post to track down a guy no one else was finding. He had high enough rank in the Butler Township police department he thought or knew he could do that.

He was EXPECTING any shots to be from roof. In the transcript of his testimony to the US House taskforce, they didn’t ask if he saw a muzzle flash out of the corner of his eye, or if he thought the shots all came from “Crooks” location, or anything like that. At least not while they were on the record. There were some questions off the record.

If a rifle was fired from the eastern vent or the 2nd window, it would seem likely that Collins would have noticed how close it was, but I’m not going to assume that.

This probably isn’t new to anyone, but Collin’s bodycam is off by about a second. Based on his reactions, the first shot happens pretty close to the first frame of 18:11:32.

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shuffle, scuff, brushing - I asked chatgpt to describe that motion.

It sounds like you’re describing a motion where someone’s legs are interacting with grass, possibly brushing or sweeping through it. The word you’re looking for could be “shuffle” if it’s describing the movement of the feet or legs, especially in a light, dragging, or scuffing motion.

However, if you’re referring to a term that might describe this in a specific or more artistic context, “scuff” could also fit, but it depends on the exact visual.

Does the motion look more like a scraping or dragging? Or more like a rhythmic, quick foot movement? That could help pinpoint the word!

Thanks for the detailed description and the images! From what you’re describing, it seems like the person’s motion could be interpreted as a kind of “brushing” or “sweeping” motion with their legs—perhaps in the sense of a light, minimal movement to shift the grass without fully lifting the foot.

Based on this, the word “shuffle” still feels fitting in this context, particularly if the right leg is slightly shifted without fully lifting it. Another option could be “dragging” or even “sweeping”, if the motion appears more intentional or fluid. Both of these would suggest a soft brushing or movement that doesn’t involve the full elevation of the foot.

The images you provided show a subtle, possibly gentle motion of the right leg being moved slightly without a pronounced lift. If this is a regular, almost instinctual movement (like adjusting footing), I’d lean towards “shuffle” or “sway.” Does that seem to match the visual you’re going for?

sway

We cannot see him on the next few frames, since the cam was panned away. Maybe he was about to turn back.

Maybe, but it is not necessary. There are possible trick to fool your brain.

Once my manager have seen a film in television how the magician tricks you. It might worth to show here how your attention/focus can be distracted and dragged away.

I don’t know what exactly happened. But it is very likely there is distraction at multiple levels. It is a more sophisticated game than we might think. How to deal with a “we know that you know that we know” situation?

Ah, you’re diving into some really complex psychological and strategic thinking here! The whole “we know that you know that we know” situation is a classic example of a layered, multi-level game of perception and attention manipulation. It brings to mind ideas from game theory, but also cognitive psychology, like how easily people can be misdirected or distracted by focusing their attention on certain details.

(For example, Dayve believed that the Red Truck Guy is shooting at spectators.)

The “magician’s trick” example is a great one. In magic shows, the magician distracts you with one hand while performing the trick with the other. This creates an illusion of something happening in one place, while the action is taking place elsewhere. So, if we extend that idea to the shot fired scenario, it’s very possible that the attention of people nearby could be redirected, or their perception could be distorted by other stimuli—perhaps noise, movements, or even social cues.

(West side people yell at the right moment. He’s got a gun!)

To answer your question about how to deal with it, especially in a “we know that you know that we know” scenario, it becomes less about uncovering the truth directly and more about understanding the layers of misdirection, expectation, and manipulation. It would require:

  1. Awareness of how attention works. People are us ually unaware of how easily their focus can be shifted.
  2. Strategic misdirection of your own. You might use the same tricks as the ones trying to distract you, but do it in a way that allows you to uncover information bit by bit, without getting trapped in a cycle of being misled.
  3. Critical thinking and questioning the assumptions behind the situation. It’s a matter of not accepting the surface-level narrative or distraction, but diving deeper into possible hidden layers.

It’s almost like playing a mental chess game where every move is designed to make you second-guess and reconsider what you know. Have you encountered situations where you’ve felt this kind of complex misdirection happening?

oh, i cannot resist to show this:

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It’s 3:30 AM, two hours past my bedtime, so I’ll be brief by my standards. I’ve been trying to learn more about how cell phones record video, and of course it’s challenging since we don’t what models were used in ANY of these videos.

I strongly suspect Dayve was using an somewhat older cell phone because of the complete lack of stabilization, and also because he is clearly not a wealthy person (homeless and working at a convenience store).

By the way, an angle I having been attacking today is the possibility that Dayve’s phone was picking up infrared light from the middle window of AGR 6. Cell phones have filters on the lens to stop infrared light, but older phones sometimes didn’t have the greatest filters, and who knows, maybe his got shaken off…

Anyway, we’ve been learning about rolling shutters the last few days, and specifically the chance of a muzzle flash being captured during a video. While I was trying look all this up, I couldn’t help but learn about some of the other effects of rolling shutter. I wish I could remember the term, but one of the effects can result in things like THIS, from John Malis (Piper Grimley). These are three consecutive frames, mind you, and one of the cranes holding up the flag looks like it’s made of not-quite-cooked spaghetti.



People are likely to look weird when they are videoed by someone who is panning (or shaking) their cell phone.

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I think Dayve’s joke reply to (Glasgow?) was a reference to the 2 dozen suppressed shots…not the supersonic shots.

If Dayve’s recording was altered, why would someone add hundreds of frames showing Yearick, and other uninvited guests, and 10 frames showing a bald man on the roof a few frames before Dayve’s camera hears supersonic shot 1?

Again, starting from a distance.
Why footbal players excercise. (Not to just walk on the grass.)
Football players train, not just kick the grass around. They must learn at least two things:

  • Recognize the situation.
  • How to react then.

Despite Collins had seen the person prone on the roof, he believed he would stand up. He testified he had been expecting a spectator would have jumped down at south side. What’s that? It might be a psychological issue, lack of update his belief. At least a slow update.

By the way…
Imagine a bus in the city, you’re the driver. It is an ordinary day. As the bus makes its way through the busy streets, more and more people get on and off the bus at every stop.

  • First stop: two black males and a white female get on the bus.
  • Second stop: a white male and three black females get off, two black males and one white step onto the bus.
    (Now you can imagine there were some people already on board when the bus departed.)
  • Third stop: A white female ond two black males get off, three black females get on. Someone complains he forgot to get off after the door was closed. Despite there are some empty seats, some people are standing or leaning against poles.
  • dot, dot, dot
    You count these people, try to track their numbers. You expect there would be a question at the end. And there it is. How old is the driver?

Ha-ha.
When my manager explained that tv show, I simply answered: I am 45.
(Well, it was few years ago.)
He was amazed. Well, I still remembered that the driver is me.

(On other hand, he distracts me every day with his regular belief based on those simplified textbooks.)

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Have you seen the “rubber pencil” trick?

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And I would add that the guy in the red shirt who is backing away while looking towards the building would have also seen the gunshot.

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I am still replying to your first comment:

Let’s stay focused, as this is a very important matter. I will address each of your comments one by one, but if we don’t maintain focus and work toward a conclusion, we risk running in circles forever.

If anyone has counter-evidence that could explain the incorrect hand-swinging motion of Taylor in the Steward video, please present it now. Otherwise, we can assume there is no objection to the observation that the hand swing is inconsistant, therefore strongly indicationg video tampering.

Another point that becomes evident when comparing the two videos is the movement of Tyler Collins’ foot. In Steward’s video, his foot never makes visible contact with the grass. Instead, it remains in a “heel strike” (initial contact) position for four consecutive frames. This is physically impossible at a frame rate of 30 fps. By contrast, in the reference video, grass compression is visible within just one frame.

Stride-Pattern-Analysis-referance

Stride-Pattern-Analysis-Steward

When comparing the two GIF files, the discrepancies are clear: both the unnatural arm swing and the missing grass compression strongly suggest that the final three frames of Steward’s video were tampered with. These are precisely the three frames where we should have seen the preparation for Shot 1 emerging from the opening next to Window 2—an opening that is clearly visible in the newly discovered video.

shot-1-near-window-2

Can we therefore agree that the last three frames of Steward’s footage were tampered with? If not, please present evidence that proves otherwise.