So It's Back To First Principles (Part 2)

[flamecensor]

You asked me a question.
I answered.
Or, how did you calculate the time of 146 (milliseconds?) for the time of a bullet(never fired) from Crooks, to Corey?

[roger-knight]

I allready have proven to you that you are completly off with your numbers.

@phiphi-the-frenchie

For shot 2, Corey’s crack is at 1:19.513,

No, Corey’s crack for shot 2 is at 1:19,663 and Trump is already holding his ear. We don’t even need to calculate the time that is needed from Corey to Trump, because your claim has allready been disproven with this frame. Please look at the yellow arrow.

@phiphi-the-frenchie

Trump begins raising his hand at 1:19 + 20 frames, or between 1:19.833 and 1:19.875

Wrong again—Trump begins raising his hand at 1:19.413, before Shot 2.

Do you finally give up, or do you want to keep wasting everyone’s time?

[kincses-zsolt]

@roger-knight

I have a very simple and straightforward way to prove that Trump is covering his ear during Shot 2:

First of all I had to check his lips:

** https://youtu.be/O696aD_ssIk?t=712
Hmm. “Probably 20 million people” - here the echo ceased.
“And you know that’s a little bit old” - without background echo.
Interesting. They suddenly changed from ambient to podium.

But those studio people know to deal with round trip time. Same issue when your computer reads the clock from time.windows.com

C:\>ping time.windows.com
Pinging twc.trafficmanager.net [104.40.149.189] with 32 b
Reply from 104.40.149.189: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=110
Reply from 104.40.149.189: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=110
Reply from 104.40.149.189: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=110
Reply from 104.40.149.189: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=110
Ping statistics for 104.40.149.189:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 25ms, Maximum = 26ms, Average = 25ms

From other hand, the loudspeaker itself should be delayed to avoid the amplifier excited. (I experienced that many times in elementary school - bad amplifier settings. (Oh, by the way, a professional singer was unable to sing the anthem due to his echoed voice.))

RSBN:
** https://youtu.be/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=23792
** https://youtu.be/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=24173

Fox NEWS:
** https://youtu.be/zBzysZQqatM?t=340

BTW:

That is phone’s mic.
** https://youtu.be/O696aD_ssIk?t=1138
2nd report comes before he touched his ear.
So still I don’t know.

@sonjax6 Walktrhough
** https://youtu.be/88qoHWVEPIg?t=184

Now I slow it down (0.25):
“Happened”
1st crack
“Ouhh”
1st report
moves his shoulder
starts raising his hand
2nd crack
touches his ear
2nd report
lowers his hand
3rd crack
3rd report

So the first crack comes before he touched his ear, but the report comes after.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

I have explained to SonjaX6 how I proceed to get my results.
Do the same and we’ll talk about it again.

What tool do you use to get your numbers?

[kincses-zsolt]

@roger-knight

Corey’s crack for shot 2 is at 1:19,663 and Trump is already holding his ear.

I slowed it down. I can hear the crack before his hand reached his ear.

[roger-knight]

@phiphi-the-frenchie

What tool do you use to get your numbers?

I use FFmpeg, one of the most reliable and widely used multimedia frameworks in existence. It is trusted by both open-source and commercial projects.

For our case, FFmpeg can automatically set timestamps with millisecond precision using the following command:

.\ffmpeg -i "Shots fired at Trump rally.mp4" -vf "drawtext=text='%{pts\:hms}':x=10:y=140:fontsize=24:fontcolor=yellow:box=1:boxcolor=black@0.5" -c:a copy "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps.mp4"

If your video has a different name, simply change the input and output filenames. This is a game-changer, because now we can refer to every frame with milliseconds precision.

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Adding Audio Visualization

We can also add an audio waveform to each frame. This way, every frame shows both the precise timestamp and the corresponding audio graph. This makes frame-by-frame analysis much clearer and far more professional.

Use this command to overlay the waveform panel:

.\ffmpeg -i "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps.mp4" -filter_complex "[0:v]scale=1280:-2, pad=1280:ih+500:0:0:black[base]; [0:a]showwaves=s=1280x500:mode=line:colors=white[wf]; [base][wf]overlay=0:H-h[v]" -map "[v]" -map 0:a -c:v libx264 -pix_fmt yuv420p -c:a copy "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps and waveform.mp4"

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Extracting Screenshots

If you want to capture screenshots from a specific time sequence, you can extract the key frames with this command:

.\ffmpeg.exe -ss 00:00:36 -to 00:00:40 -i "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps and waveform.mp4" frame_%03d.png

Just change the filename and time range as needed. In this example, you’ll get a screenshot of each frame between 00:00:36 and 00:00:40. Be careful not to specify a long duration, or your hard drive will quickly fill up with images.

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Important:

This workflow provides a reliable and professional method for frame-by-frame video analysis. Instead of relying on subjective impressions (e.g., “I hear a crack here” vs. “I hear a boom there”), everyone can reference the same precise timestamps and synchronized audio waveform. It saves time and ensures consistency across analyses.

[sonjax6]

@flamecensor

1st time I put a ‘timer’ into a video,

Thank you, that’s very helpful.

[roger-knight]

@kincses-zsolt

I slowed it down. I can hear the crack before his hand reached his ear.

Before we continue this debate about shot 2 hitting Trumps ear, let’s agree on one point:

Trump starts raising his hand to his ear. This means the shot must have already struck his ear — otherwise, he would have no reason to protect the injury. Therefore, if we want to determine when the sound of the second shot should appear in Comparator’s video, it must be before he begins raising his hand.

Here’s why:

• A human typically needs 0.2–0.3 seconds to react.
• The sound of the gunshot takes an additional 0.022 seconds to reach Trumps ear from Corey’s camera microphone.

In total, this adds up to roughly 0.3 seconds of delay. So we should subtract about 0.3 seconds from the moment Trump starts raising his hand.

If you can indeed hear the crack of the shot before that point, then we can begin analyzing whether this aligns with the conclusion that the second shot hit Trump’s ear.

[flamecensor]

@roger-knight

let’s agree on one point:

Yes, let’s agree that Shot 1 hit Trump’s ear, Copenhaver’s arm, the TVbox’s metal outer cladding, ToughOldBird’s elbow, FlowerLady’s left shoulder/back, and probably some upper body parts of David Dutch.
Copenhaver’s arm is reacting for itself, but the other 3 are reacting to bullet fragments, from behind them, after hitting the TVbox’s outer metal cladding(with or without black vinyl):

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

What audio time resolution do you get?

[sonjax6]

@kincses-zsolt

But maybe he just heard the sonic boom of the 1st bullet very close.

Ah, you make me ask a question - did Trump hear a sonic boom AT HIS EAR?
Did he feel the change in air pressure? A whoosh of air rushing by, like Gary experienced in the center bleachers?
Was he hit with a supersonic bullet?
Or was it a subsonic bullet?

Think about how loud a bullet sounds when it passes by 10 feet away. Now - consider how loud that should sound when it passes by less than an inch from the entrance to one’s ear.

Does “the world’s largest mosquito” begin to cover how loud it should sound? I don’t think so.

Here’s Grok’s answer:

• At 1 yard (3 feet) from the bullet’s path, controlled tests (e.g., Larson-Davis sound metering during .223/5.56 firings) record ~142-155 dB peaks for the crack alone.

• At 1 inch, the intensity increases dramatically because sound pressure falls off with the inverse square law in the near field (before the shock wave fully propagates spherically). This could add 10-20 dB, pushing peaks toward 150-160 dB or higher—comparable to the muzzle blast of an unsuppressed AR-15 (165 dB at the shooter’s ear).
  …
  Levels >140 dB (impulse) can cause immediate permanent threshold shift (hearing loss) or rupture eardrums (>160-170 dB). Trump’s description (“whizzing” then “ripping” hit) suggests he experienced the full near-field impulse, but no reported auditory trauma aligns with a grazing wound mitigating direct canal exposure.

Mr. Trump has NEVER said ANYTHING about a change in air pressure or a sudden breeze (like a truck is passing by).

I also asked Grok if Trump was wearing an earpiece in his right ear, and it said that no, he was wearing an earpiece in his left ear only.

You can tell by his actions when shot he wasn’t initially sure what happened. He checked his ear, and only hit the deck when he saw blood on his hand.

Meanwhile, Sean Curran was standing 4 feet lower than Trump in a straight line with the bullet. Nick Menster, the blond male and the blond female SS agents that were at the front corners of the podium were four feet lower and maybe 6 feet offset laterally - so about 7 feet distant.

Nick Menster said in testimony before a congressional committee that he initially thought it was fireworks.

I asked Grok about what Nick Menster would have heard and felt. Grok interestingly said his name is David Grant, but went on to say the sound of the bullet would have been about 115 dB, about the same as at a loud rock concert. It said he would have felt a mild but noticeable air pressure change and “whooshing” of air.

Here’s Menster’s House testimony, Page 97
"The first crack triggered a memory of my kids playing in the driveway last – the week before this happened, it was 4th of July, shortly after, and they were throwing the little POP-ITS on the ground. I think they’re little. I’m not familiar with them, but they make a small cracking noise.
So that cracking noise triggered that memory. And then, like before the memory could be finished being thought of, I’m thinking is there a heckler behind me with a cap gun, with some POP-ITS, throwing them down just to make a distraction?
And so I’m waiting for somebody to say something over the radio, “heckler,” something, and then I heard nothing. And then I heard the second shot go off, second crack, and I just instinctively just went up there, and I yelled at the President to get down. I said it three times: “Get down. Get down. Get down.” "

Unless someone can make a GOOD argument against my hypothesis that Trump was hit with a subsonic round, I’m going with that.

And yes, I know what you’ll say, Roger. You can go ahead and say it. But I think we’ve got pretty good evidence that two shots were fired almost simultaneously, and if we only heard one snap-bang, then the other shot was subsonic. It might as well have been the one that hit Trump.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

@roger-knight

In total, this adds up to roughly 0.3 seconds of delay. So we should subtract about 0.3 seconds from the moment Trump starts raising his hand.

It’s exactly what I got:

@phiphi-the-frenchie

For shot 2, Corey’s crack is at 1:19.513, so 1:19.544 for Trump.
Trump begins raising his hand at 1:19 + 20 frames, or between 1:19.833 and 1:19.875, or about 1.2 seconds after shot 1 and 0.3 seconds after shot 2.

[flamecensor]

@sonjax6

the other shot was subsonic

Yes, it was, and we have dustball evidence that it was 8, 9, or 10 frames(from 30f/s video) before SuperSonicShot1, which is what hit Trump’s ear, and Copenhaver’s arm, before hitting the metal clad TV ‘box’, and showering FlowerLady, Dutch, and Bird, with lead fragments.

[flamecensor]

@phiphi-the-frenchie

Trump begins raising his hand

Do you see any life forms in my T Shirt print images?

[flamecensor]

@sonjax6

Trump was hit with a subsonic round, I’m going with that.

I’m done with good arguments, so I’ll give advice:
“prepare SonjaX6 for brain surgery…STAT!”

[sonjax6]

@roger-knight

I use FFmpeg, one of the most reliable and widely used multimedia frameworks in existence. It is trusted by both open-source and commercial projects.

For our case, FFmpeg can automatically set timestamps with millisecond precision using the following command:

Thanks. I’ll try to download it to my newer computer and see I can figure it out. I saved your notes.

[sonjax6]

@flamecensor

@sonjax6

Trump was hit with a subsonic round, I’m going with that.

I’m done with good arguments, so I’ll give advice:
“prepare SonjaX6 for brain surgery…STAT!”

LOL.

Keep in mind: this is not a cold case like the JFK assassination. The primary target of the shooting is not only alive, he’s the current president of the US.

All we need to do is get the word out that there is rock solid proof there were two shooters. Hopefully honest people at the FBI will kick into gear and do the work with resources we don’t have. Yes, a lot of evidence has been destroyed or lost due to not being collected in a timely manner, but a lot still remains - especially videos and witness testimony. That telehandler line should still be in the FBI evidence room too.

I’ll consider anyone who isn’t a troll or a total nutcase (which is often a type of trolling) to be a colleague.

[phiphi-the-frenchie]

Life is a joke!

[flamecensor]

@sonjax6

I’ll try to download it

I’ll try, also, to put ffmpeg into Windows 11, because I use it only in Debian Trixie Linux.
I think in Windows, it only works from the ‘command line’.
I just tried W11, 1/2 of this hard drive, and Windows key + X gave a menu with “Terminal”, Windows PowerShell, with the cursor blinking. Make a folder in your C drive, name it ‘abc’, put into folder abc, a video named m.mp4, there, and paste(Ctl+V) roger’s command,
.\ffmpeg.exe -ss 00:00:00 -to 00:00:06 -i “m.mp4” frame_10%04d.png
and press “Enter” key
to extract 180 frames into folder c:\abc

[kincses-zsolt]

@flamecensor

Trump heard the rail impact behind his head

It is possible. But did he recognize it as gunshot?

@flamecensor

I thought it was more than 1/2 second missing but, however much was missing, it’s because Corey’s phone heard the 3 tonal percussive shots(1 @ B Major, 2 @ E Major) aimed at Hercules2.

reasonable

@phiphi-the-frenchie

What a nice scientific and accurate method

I must come back to it. Shortly: axioms are not everything, there might be different rules of inference. (A physicist told me that - without examples. So I’m at half way to understand it.)

@roger-knight

FFmpeg can automatically set timestamps with millisecond precision

Yes, essentially. But I’m still questioning the recording process.
The camera accumulates light between frames. So what the alignment of audio might vary from frame to frame. Since the frame is not an istant time.

@roger-knight

We can also add an audio waveform to each frame.

When the audio recording was correct. (But what does it mean? I must check if thre are standards.)

@roger-knight

your hard drive will quickly fill up with images.

Well, “relatively” but it needs long time. Usually I extract bmp images to work with.

@roger-knight

Instead of relying on subjective impressions (e.g., “I hear a crack here” vs. “I hear a boom there”)

I found earlier that VLC player might fail with time calculations when I scroll back to play again.

@roger-knight

Before we continue this debate about shot 2 hitting Trumps ear

I came to a conclusion: let’s turn the question from its top of head to its legs.

@roger-knight

Trump starts raising his hand to his ear. This means the shot must have already struck his ear — otherwise, he would have no reason to protect the injury.

Yes. After some hours of thinking my inference is the same. And immediatelly turned my computer on to tell you. He didn’t plug his ear. He touched a wound.

@roger-knight

If you can indeed hear the crack of the shot before that point, then we can begin analyzing whether this aligns with the conclusion that the second shot hit Trump’s ear.

I think the sound recording is not precisely aligned with frames. Until I check it, the assumption is about uncertainty must be around half of frame time.
However I checked the motion of his lips on broadcasted videos. I’m pretty sure the studio guys can deal with audio delay/shift issues - for better experience. It would have been unprofessional not doing so.
But the audio delay compensation is not expected for rallygoers’ phone videos. So there is a branching fork.

@flamecensor

Yes, let’s agree that Shot 1 hit Trump’s ear

Okay, I’m convinced about that.

But it is still a question whether the same shot did hit the railing. Sorry, I’m slow - with reason.
(Let me tell you some akward thing - I posted a YT video about. My manager’s favorite entertainment is he don’t use cables to read measurement data. He says “NOW” then I must register a 5-digit readout. Since he says the cable communication is to slow. What the uncerainty of my reaction time is - unknown. But importantly: who cares? The customer will receive a slightly inaccurate data - but they need only a certificate. Actually there is some similar problems. The readout is not an instantaneous data. Like in case of cameras, there is an accumulation period of time.)
So the audio delay of raiing shot must be checked - somehow.

@flamecensor

Copenhaver’s arm is reacting for itself, but the other 3 are reacting to bullet fragments, from behind them, after hitting the TVbox’s outer metal cladding(with or without black vinyl)

Yes, but why their left arms were moved - when fragments came from right?

@flamecensor

Interesting theory.
Add to that: there was a hoisted kid who got scared.

(Oh, just to mention: worth to see the bull scene https://youtu.be/VXG8QUW27ag?list=RDVXG8QUW27ag&t=898 here. Look at the young girl’s reactions.)

@sonjax6

Levels >140 dB (impulse) can cause immediate permanent threshold shift (hearing loss) or rupture eardrums (>160-170 dB)

One thing is missing here: the impact time - which is eventually about the energy.

@sonjax6

Unless someone can make a GOOD argument against my hypothesis that Trump was hit with a subsonic round, I’m going with that.

The FBI did not reveal what cartridges were found on the roof - did they?

@flamecensor

for brain surgery

“Behave R2” C-3PO would say.

@sonjax6

a lot of evidence has been destroyed or lost due to not being collected in a timely manner

I’d like to see the autopsy report of Corey’s headshot. Not just in short terms of woundshot to the head.