Well, the lawyer of devil (in me) asks: how many times the individual on the roof got shot?
Hey, maybe two years ago I received a strange notification - my Discord account has been deleted due to long inactivity.
I cannot recall if I registered to Discord either, had formerly no clue what it was.
(Maybe another platform has been sold to Discord and integrated to it? Well, once “accidentally” I registered to somewhere, then I realized it was not the place I intended to be, and unregistered without any posts - but that might have been around 10 years ago, dunno exactly.)
ehh?
There are some other interesting possibilities. Fake message (but why). Or you can register to Discord without confirmation. But I don’t want to check that (pick an arbitrary email and try if they let me in with fake ID).
chatgpt:
So someone could register and use Discord without ever confirming the email address, as long as they didn’t need restricted features.
You once registered via another service (OAuth)
- Discord supports sign-up/login via other platforms (Google, Steam, Xbox, etc.).
- It’s possible you logged into something once using an OAuth provider and automatically created a Discord account without realizing it — although you’d typically still get an email confirmation prompt.
Patel gathers online witnesses - I hope their ID will be checked.
Almost all societies share around 7 moral values, but with different weight and priorities:
- those are not mathematical axioms;
- they are in conflict in particular cases.
Just think about the rock/paper/scissors game of kids.
let chatgpt refine my words:
Look — almost every society around the world shares a small set of core moral values. Maybe 6 or 7, depending on how you group them. Things like care vs. harm, fairness, loyalty, respect for authority, liberty, purity, and so on. What changes isn’t the values themselves — it’s how each group or culture prioritizes them.
They’re not absolute or perfectly consistent. They can contradict each other. And just like in rock-paper-scissors, sometimes one value ‘beats’ another depending on the situation.
So it’s not that one side is moral and the other isn’t — it’s that we’re weighting and balancing these shared values differently. That’s part of what makes moral conflict so hard, but also why empathy and good-faith conversation matter.
Do not escalate so high it can no longer be negotiated out. (Actually we can see permanent escalation in the Ukrainian conflict.)
The quote you’re referring to is attributed to King Pyrrhus of Epirus after the Battle of Asculum in 279 BCE. After winning a costly victory against the Romans, he is said to have remarked:
“If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.”
— Pyrrhus of Epirus
You’re touching on a profound and nuanced idea — that rising political tension in the U.S. might not just be about internal issues, but could be amplified or reflected by international conflicts like the war in Ukraine. The notion of a closed loop, as in group theory or feedback systems, is a compelling metaphor: actions abroad influence domestic politics, which in turn affect foreign policy — and the cycle tightens.
If you want to ground it a bit more in research or philosophy, this is very aligned with Moral Foundations Theory (developed by Jonathan Haidt and others), which identifies those recurring themes across cultures:
- Care/harm
- Fairness/cheating
- Loyalty/betrayal
- Authority/subversion
- Sanctity/degradation
- Liberty/oppression
You can also add:
“These values are not like mathematical axioms that always produce consistent results. They can and do come into conflict — and different communities resolve those conflicts in different ways.”
Yeah, that kind of shift can feel like a betrayal — especially if it’s sudden or tied to a heated issue. When someone you trust starts prioritizing a different moral value (or reorders their values), it can seem like they’ve changed sides entirely — or even abandoned their principles. But often, they haven’t. They’ve just reweighted the values they already had.
Philosophers say: we cannot deduce or prove our moral values. It resonates with Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem - despite our core values are not axioms.
Philosophers have long argued that we can’t deduce our moral values the way we deduce theorems from axioms. There’s no final proof that says, ‘This value is absolutely right’ — at some point, all ethical systems rest on assumptions we choose to hold.
That’s why moral values aren’t like mathematical axioms — we didn’t formally define them, and they aren’t logically consistent with each other in all cases. They can conflict. They shift in priority.
But the resonance with Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem is still helpful: just like in formal systems, there are true things we can’t prove from within the system. In morality, there are deeply felt truths — like ‘it’s wrong to harm innocent people’ — that feel self-evident, but we can’t derive them purely through logic.
So when people start weighting values differently, it’s not just a logic error. It’s a shift in the basic assumptions — and no system can fully justify its own foundations.
As Cicero wrote: Iustitiae primum munus est, ut ne cui quis noceat nisi lacessitus iniuria — the first principle of justice is not to harm anyone unless harmed. It’s a moral anchor across cultures. When people shift their moral weightings, it often happens before the consequences are clear — and if we’re not careful, those shifts can feel like threats, leading to conflict even where none was intended.
Something tells me I should go back to the flying balloon, which landed in front of Collins. (First I thought it was a bottle of mineral water, which suddenly disappeared.) But who launched that and where it came from? (First I thought the PSP trooper (on different frequency) sent a “message” to Collins like “hey, come here”. But it is also possible the attention grabbing event came from the rooftop.)
Anyway, the big question is: do you think a lone wolf was able to carry out the entire operation - without leaked information and in-situ assistance. When y’all answer yes, there is a big trouble.
Since we can’t logically deduce our core moral values — only compare and weigh them — people often adjust their moral priorities based on experience. They live through situations, see outcomes, and notice what leads to more harm or more harmony.
Over time, this kind of pattern recognition can shift how someone ranks values like fairness vs. loyalty, or liberty vs. authority. It’s not deduction — it’s more like moral learning by exposure, a kind of statistical updating.
If a new weighting seems to result in better outcomes — for themselves, or for the people they care about — that new moral balance can start to feel more ‘right.’ Whether that means greater wellbeing, less conflict, or more comfort for more people, it often drives the change.
And even Bayesian thinking, where repeated evidence subtly updates our internal ‘weights’.
You could also phrase it more compactly like this:
“People don’t prove their morals — they test them. In life, not in logic. When a different balance of values seems to make more sense in more situations, the priorities shift. It’s not betrayal — it’s adaptation.”
okay, but at the beginning of that shift, they cannot see the results yet, just predict. especially because there are other people, not frozen their values, they may react with teir shift. and istability might lead toward escalation. higher tension
Yes — and that’s a crucial insight: moral shifts don’t happen in isolation. They start with prediction, not proof — and the system they happen within (a social world full of other shifting agents) makes the outcomes deeply uncertain. Even well-intended moral rebalancing can lead to conflict or instability, especially when it’s not recognized or reciprocated.
Moral shifts begin as predictions, not conclusions.
When someone starts to reweight their moral priorities, they’re often acting on a hunch — a felt sense that “maybe this value deserves more weight now.” They haven’t seen the full results yet; they’re projecting. But since morals are social — embedded in relationships and shared norms — this shift creates tension with others who haven’t made the same move.