His system wanted no movement after Shot 3 hit his spine, and he was semi-conscious, or unconscious.
A man in the same bleacher, NE corner, I think visible in your picture, also remained standing, for unknown reasons, after all shots.
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No doubt Shot 3 hit Copenhaverâs abdomen, and spine, causing instant paralysis, and unconscious behavior.
Shot 4 may have awakened him, but overwhelming evidence is that shots 4,5,6,7,8 were not near Copenhaver or the other witnesses near him.
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Iâm wondering if this is a âholy shitâ moment:
From FOX news:
A document, reviewed by Fox News Digital, revealed that Smith and his team investigating Jan. 6 were reportedly tracking the phone calls of GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, Dan Sullivan of Alaska, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama and GOP Rep. Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania.
https://archive.is/xCPnx#selection-2811.0-2815.344
There is ONE representative thrown in with the senators listed. And that representative was near the line of fire at Butler, PA. Coincidence?
What was Rep Kelly looking into? I know most people here arenât even in the US, and the vast majority of US Reps arenât known outside their districts anyway.
Itâs worth noting that two senators listed, Josh Hawley and Ron Johnson, were two of the three that were actively seeking info from whistleblowers on the Butler, PA assassination attempt, and the information was received due to a request from Chuck Grassley, the other senator who has been seeking whistleblower info.
I donât know when these senators were being spied on, but it was almost certainly before the assassination attempt.
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I wasnât wrong, Roger can do it all by himself!
The supersonic drone, you had to think of it, faster than a fighter jet and producing a supersonic boom, itâs magical!
This reminds me of those Ink Blots from back in the day. You see what you are wont to see.
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âink blotsâ could be a fair analogy, but I started staring at zoomed frame images only to try to see Crooks on the roofâŚand I canât guarantee that the pixels are Crooks, but I think theyâre Crooks.
Do you see pixels that could be faces, in the picture posted by SonjaX6?
And do you see pixels that could be the âfeetâ of an artificial tree?
@sonjax6, assuming the memo shown by Fox News here is accurate, the FBIâs spying into phone records was done sometime prior to 27 Sept 2023.
Rep. Mike Kelly was an outspoken skeptic of the 2020 national election process and that is probably why he was on the FBI hit list. He was one of the leaders in Pennsylvania calling for investigations into questionable voting practices in his state.
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The top one has a Ernie like muppet in its upper left.
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That likely put him in the crosshairs. But for 8 out of about 50 republican senators to get spied on, and just ONE representative out of over 200 is kind of odd. Certainly other Republican representatives were questioning the election.
By the way, I doubt there was a plan to KILL Mr. Kelly. If there was, there would have probably have been some shots fired much lower, and people around him would have been injured. If timing the assassination attempt at the Butler rally and placing Mr. Kelly right below the bullets was intentional, it most likely would have been done to send him a message, or just to be extra spiteful - to have him see Mr. Trump get killed in person.
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NoisyTurtle2600 uploaded a new video
Real Time: Trump Assassination Attempt (Jul 13) | M500-016197 wired2 (6:58 pm - 7:24 pm EDT)
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Bullets were very close to him. (However, people were behind him.) A guy nearby plugged his ears.
Decades ago, when people were not familiar with computer usage, I had a little task at state police HQ - almanach. By the way, they gave me a textbook: introduction to criminal law. (But I refused the detective position they offered me after a short training.)
The goal of penalty:
- withhold the individual to do it again;
- deter other people.
There is not only the formal logic used by mathematicians. There are several other ways of thinking. Strategic thinking, for example.
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Yes, and heres the Rumble version
Rumble has been giving me a lot of pain lately >:(
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Iâve been going back to snap -bang times and muzzle velocities.
First, hereâs what I hope is a decent bullet velocity and trajectory calculator, but I havenât double checked any values on it:
My best estimate of the distance of âCrooksââ to Mr. Trump is 469 feet. Crooks had a .223 rifle with a 16" barrel. The US House taskforce said he bought 50 rounds of âHornady .223 Remington caliber cartridgesâ in Bethel Park. I only found three such cartridges that are sold in boxes of 50, through the Hornady website. I then priced them through Tractor Supply, because I know that store. All are 55 grain:
55 grain HP (hollow point) American Gunner ($70)
55 grain Remington soft point custom ($30)
55 grain FMJ/BT ($35)
Assuming he used one of those types, the following chart indicates muzzle speed for 16" barrel lengths and 55 grain rounds is 2836 to 3129 fps, although none of the Hornady rounds is on the list.
The calcs I have in my spreadsheet show that if you assume the distance is 469 feet (assuming âCrooksâ fired the bullet that grazed Mr. Trumpâs ear), the speed of sound is 1150 fps, the bullet passed 1 foot from the mic, and the snap-bang time was .220 seconds, then the muzzle velocity would be about 2660 fps - not consistent with a 16" barrel AR-15 and a 55 grain cartridge. It would be more consistent with a 77 grain cartridge.
Of course, if âCrooksâ fired the shot that grazed Mr. Trumpâs ear, then the bullet would have continued on to pass between David Dutch and the lady to his right.
I just took a âbreakâ to play Devilâs Advocate on that statement. I downloaded a few new pictures, stared straight overhead views of the stage and lectern, counted pixels as proxy for measuring, redrew the line on the overhead picture to run as close to the front of the podium as would be possible. Yup - that bullet would still end up east of the spot where the bleachers were hit.
Iâve also been looking into how the loudness of a bulletâs sonic boom increases with its mach rating. It does increase, but thereâs apparently no hard formula - the formulae are kind of empirically derived, and the most common one breaks down for mach values just over one. I was wondering if bullets that are not too much faster than the speed of sound are a LOT less loud than a bullet thatâs traveling at, say mach 2.5, but that doesnât seem to be the case. Just somewhat less loud, like 120 dB vs 135 dB, that kind of difference.
There goes my theory that the people that were near the path of the bullet didnât react strongly because it was traveling at perhaps 1300 fps or so, and the sound wasnât massively loud.
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How far east would Crooks have to be moved for the trajectory to go from Crooks to the corner of the bleachers via Trumpâs ear?
Because weâre not sure Crooks was exactly where he was found on the roof during the first shots. Perhaps he was a few meters further east and would have moved between shots 3 and 4.
But Iâm not sure the rounds were used that he bought that day (like he didnât use the ladder that day purchased).
You are basically entertaining a conspiracy in order to preserve a lack of a conspiracy. There was blood running down the same lane his body was found in⌠but oh well. Iâm not going to try to quantify what canât really be quantified well without a good CAD model, but this is a detail of a straight overhead view of the stage I found, that still had the lectern on it:
Hereâs the whole pic:
I put a line on it to show that the back of the lectern was a few inches behind a line that runs along the front edge of the walkway. Itâs possible the lectern is not exactly in the position it was in at the time of the shooting, and that bears some looking into.
The walkway appears to be exactly 4 feet wide and the stage exactly 16 feet square, but the the walkway doesnât meet the stage exactly in the middle. Itâs set back from the center just a little bit.
I did have the phrase âAssuming he used one of those typesâ. Itâs not certain, to be sure.
No, I donât dispute that he died where the blood trail was, and that could correspond to his position during shots 4 through 8, but he could (this is just a hypothesis) have been 2 or 3 meters further east for shots 1 through 3, which would give a trajectory passing through Trumpâs ear and the corner of the bleachers.
If that were the case, I have a feeling he wouldnât even have been visible to the snipers on the south barn!
