So It's Back To First Principles (Part 2)

Continuing the discussion from So It's Back To First Principles (Part 1):

Hi, i have a relative who is in the printing business and he is able to blow up images and produces some big pictures on the wall.

I am going to ask him if he could blow up some images of Baldy man, and the area of the AGR building where still believe where the audio shots 4 5 6 7 and 8 came from. The graphic designer may be scared of getting a knock at the door.

In the UK, they have brought in a new law called the Online Safety Bill 2025, which came into affect 2 days ago. They say it is designed to protect children from harmful content. Its really brought in to censor free speech. Age verifacation could be brought and facial recognition used soon. Unless i can find a way round this, this will be the end of the investigation for me for now.

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GIMP added an ear, but it needs to be smaller and cuter.
I think he has a moustache, needing work, and maybe a nicer eyebrow and eyelashes:
This is from the 2nd of Dayve’s 10 frames:

Interesting video:

He compares .223 with 5.56 rounds. The particular box of FMJ .223s tested about 2980 fps muzzle velocity from a rifle with an 18" barrel.

At 50 yards both types of ammo pierced a 1/4" mild steel plate (a little thicker than the hydraulic line of the telehandler). The .223 punched through .258" into a 3/8" plate.

That’s at 50 yards with a rifle with a longer barrel.

By the way, a bullet can leave a hole that’s bigger than the bullet’s diameter apparently. The guy who runs this channel did a ā€œpinkie testā€ and was disappointed he couldn’t put his pinkie in the hole made by one of the bullets.

Grok had this to say:

Yes, a bullet can make a hole in a steel plate wider than its diameter, depending on factors like the bullet’s velocity, material, design (e.g., hollow-point or armor-piercing), and the steel’s thickness and properties. When a bullet impacts steel, it transfers kinetic energy, causing deformation, fracturing, or spallation (material ejection). High-velocity or expanding bullets can create larger holes due to radial forces or fragmentation. For example, a 9mm bullet (diameter ~9mm) might produce a hole 10-15mm wide in thin mild steel due to petaling or material displacement. Thicker or harder steel (e.g., AR500) may resist penetration or limit hole size unless the bullet is designed to pierce armor.

Edited to add:

It just occurred to me - it should be significantly harder to pierce a pipe that’s full of hydraulic fluid that’s under a LOT of pressure than to pierce a steel plate that’s got nothing but air behind it. That pressurized fluid is going to provide a lot of resistance, so the steel is not going to be pushed backward easily.

You might want to check out one of the same guy’s videos where he tests a bunch of different types .308 rounds against plates that are 1/4" thick all the way up to 1" thick. Some of the rounds almost punched through the 1/2" plate and left big bumps on the back side. A bullet wouldn’t be able to push steel into the hydraulic pipe without increasing the pressure on the fluid inside.

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I’m sorry to hear that. The assault on free speech in Europe has been horrible, and I’m sorry to say I think the Biden administration was pushing a lot of it.

They have pretty much been releasing rapists from prisons to make room for native Britons who have been mentioning the fact that the rapists tend to be disproportionately immigrant and non-Christian.

Maybe a bullet, slightly deformed after separating ribs and liver tissue, could produce a larger hole.

The component impacted by the bullet is clearly identified as the 20 mm diameter oil supply tube, marked by the yellow arrow in the image below. There is no specific spare part number for this tube—likely because it is not typically required in the aftermarket… except in our unique case :grin:.

During cylinder extension (i.e., when the speakers are being lifted), hydraulic pressure (P) is routed from the hydraulic distribution block into the lower chamber of the cylinder. The opposite oil supply tube tube then releases the pressure (T), allowing oil from the upper chamber to return to the hydraulic tank.

As a result, when the speakers are suspended in the air, this supply pipe is under active pressure. If a bullet were to strike and rupture the pipe, the hydraulic pressure would be lost—causing the speakers to drop suddenly.

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What surprises me is that in the photo, which was supposedly taken before the FBI arrived, there’s no sign of the hydraulic fluid leaking through the hole.
They wouldn’t have cleaned it thoroughly before the FBI inspected it!

This is basically a example of how to spot digitally inserted, AI created, people in videos:

I looked at the X video from Oliver Alexander again, and compared it to Slick Hick’s video.

Some of you may remember that I detailed that ā€œOliver Alexander’sā€ video had a few people digitally inserted to hide when Mr. Comperatore got shot.

When I looked at it again, I realized that ALL the people in the foreground have been digitally inserted. The caption has been put in the foreground to keep you from wanting to look at the people in the foreground. Some have more obvious problems than others, but if you stare at any of several people in the foreground a couple of times you see they don’t move right.

One younger guy rotates his head more than 90 degrees without his shirt moving. The guy who takes a drink from a water bottle dips down out of sight for 10 seconds, then back up. A lady looks back, left and upward, smiling, for no particular reason. Many have deformed ears. Nobody is wearing red Trump hats. The guy they slide in to block the view of Mr. Comperatore getting shot is simply a mirror image of a guy we see earlier, the guy watching through binoculars. And yes, they just slide him in; he doesn’t move his head relative to his body. The last two guys they show at the very end are laughable: one has a mohawk and tattoos done by a 6 year old, and the other appears to be a mannequin head:

I hadn’t looked at Slick Hick’s video in HD on a big monitor pivoted to portrait mode, and so didn’t realize how much detail was in it. I need to get a 1920 by 1080 resolution monitor that pivots to get the best fidelity from videos like these - my 2K monitor is scaling up the picture, but still it’s a lot better than scaling down by some fraction like 0.56. Here’s a detail from one still:

So I was wondering where the anonymous video reposted by Oliver Alexander was shot. Comparing where people line up against the white line on the barn between these two videos, it looks like ā€œOliver Alexander’sā€ video was taken from a higher elevation than Slick Hick. Then I compared where things line up behind the people in the bleachers, like the Jumbotron cover, the Jumbotron support post, and the crane. It looks like the video is taken from a spot to the right of Slick Hick. That implies it was taken from the media area.

So, it looks like the base of it is a professionally shot video. But whoever got it went to a lot of work to try to disguise that fact and censor out the gross stuff. I really prefer where they are honest about it and just put a big gray dot over the part they want to censor.

I don’t think there would be any fluid left in a position to leak out. As far as the pipe not showing signs of the hydraulic fluid, it wouldn’t take all that long to wipe it off.

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I was curious to explore this topic further, so I downloaded the first-person body cam footage from the official Butler Police Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/z2q10wfcgbmu6gp0knctb/AF1pe9N3t5qmxD9DrTbGy3M?rlkey=fdgi2c93cpooyh8q453rc8fxs&e=8&st=j34crhdz&dl=0

The file is named 1382_202407131806_Unit5-0.mp4, recorded by body cam unit M500-010482.

Given that a suppressed gunshot only reduces the decibel level by about 10% in absolute terms — such shots should still be clearly detectable by the body cam’s microphone. Yet in this footage, the mic does not register any suppressed gunfire during the critical moments in question.

This firsthand evidence therefore effectively rules out the possibility of any suppressed shots having occurred at that time, undermining all related theories that suggested otherwise.

yes

fluids are (almost) incompressible (except sound waves)

sorry, i cannot find an exploding glass of water now

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So, according to you, they carefully cleaned up the hydraulic fluid, which must have covered a good portion of the vehicle, given the force with which it sprayed everything around it, even though the vehicle was a piece of evidence in the FBI’s investigation.
I find that hard to believe…

I can’t seem to download the Slick Hick’s video, but if you can, by zooming in hard from 7:18 to 7:24 on the left side of the frame, you should be able to see Comperatore get hit.

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ridiculous non-evidence,
recorded inside a car with the motor and electrical fans operating, and you still don’t understand the importance of microphone location, and direction.
And stop calling them ghost shots.
Herculues2East said he couldn’t count them, but they seemed ā€˜endless’. Did you read that word, or do I need to repeat his testimony to you?

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What investigation?

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To aim more exactly to JCB machine’s
bullet hole, should I draw my green line higher, or lower, or does it look close enough now?
I think I should have started the line higher.

That’s the ONLY video where they didn’t just delete the sound entirely until after shots were fired. In the case of Det. Collins, the sound is deleted for about 12 minutes. With body cams, there will be about one minute of video without sound kept if the cam isn’t turned on. Det. Collins even said as much in his testimony to the House committee. The people on the committee, not wanting to skewer just about the only guy that was trying to do his job, basically said ā€œyes, that makes senseā€, when he explained how the one minute buffer explained a 12 minute lack of sound.

So the Butler township police, while being laudable in providing the videos AT ALL, is clearly holding back some of the information.

It’s been noted that all of the first 8 shots on the dash cam look so much alike on an audio analyzer that they appear to have been cloned from one of the shots.

By the way, that 10% decibel difference you cite with suppressors - it’s around 22 to 25 decibels according to this article: Silencer Guide with Decibel Level Testing

I’ve gotten BIG dose of skepticism from being a vaccine safety enthusiast (also known as anti-vaxxer) since 2004, when I found out my older daughter was vaccine injured. I also get webpages that say the lifespan of a cat is 13-14 years, when I have had one live to 20 and another live to 18 (I’m not a crazy cat lady either - we just have two at a time). By the way, those pages (which have veterinarian money behind them) say 13-14 years so you don’t start wondering why your pet dies so young from all the vaxxes. But I digress.

At the very least, the suppressors available on the legal market may not be nearly as good as what might be available on the black market or for military use.

And let’s not EVER forget what the Hercules 2 sniper said, in testimony to a congressional committee, where he could be charged with perjury. He said he heard AND felt shots passing near by him. He heard the supersonic crack and felt the air pressure change. He did not hear the rifle report, so he thought the rifle must have been suppressed. This is a guy (A US Secret Service counter sniper) that knows a lot more about rifles than we do.

And of course I can post links to more videos with subsonic rounds, which demonstrably can be made very quiet (like in the movies), both at the muzzle and as the bullet passes by.

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What investigation, indeed? Dan Bongino saying the FBI would issue a report about the shooting in ā€œa couple of weeksā€ is sounding about as credible as the lady in the office at an old apartment we lived in that perpetually claimed the pool would be opened in ā€œa couple of weeksā€.

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Yes. I’m actually going to make a run to the nearest MicroCenter (40 miles) to get a pivoting 4K Dell monitor so I can get all that detail from that video, and from John Malis’ video where you supposedly see ā€œCrooksā€ turning to the crowd on the west of the AGR building.

A pivoting monitor with 1920 by 1080 resolution would get this video in perfectly matching resolution, but John Malis’ video has a funky resolution that’s 1080 by 22 hundred something.

You not only can see Comperatore get shot, you can see the Hercules 1 counter snipers through shot 9. When the subject is only 8 pixels wide, you lose huge amounts of detail when the picture is scaled down. You lose detail when it’s scaled up too, unless it’s an exact multiple.