In this case, how do you explain that Trump’s right hand is on his ear when the sound of the supersonic shockwave is heard?
Bullet would pass by visually before sound would arrive.
This is a short distance, so I could be wrong.
Just my 2cents
The speed of sound is about 1,125 ft/s…
This is the position of Trumps hands as shot 3 passes. Don’t see any blood on the fingers though?
For a one hour interview with the photographer that took the shot:
https://crowdsourcethetruth.substack.com/p/ny-times-photographer-doug-mills
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It can’t be the third bullet because:
- Trump’s right hand has no blood on it (Doug Mills pictures show blood after Trump touched his right ear)
- Look at Trump’s head position in comparison to the microphone. It doesn’t match the picture.
Hi LogicallyMinded,
We have had this discussion before, but the argument that CA11 is mentioning is convincing to me. Trump is relaxed and his hand is holding the mic stand shortly before the first shot is taken. He is also smiling. Looking at Doug Mills photo, Trump is already raising his hand and has a frown on his face. Nobody is that fast with reacting to something, for bullet on the photo to be the first one.
I don’t understand the argument you’re making. Are you saying that the bullet on Doug Mills’ picture would be from the second shot? If so, how do you explain that the second supersonic shockwave is heard when Trump has his right hand on his ear?
This body position of Trump is more consistent with the photo of the bullet. This frame is taken after shot 1 and before shot 2 has its audio recorded. This means that the photo is of shot 2.
Maybe there is some short delay in the audio recording as it goes through all the processing to account for the miss match? It does take another 3 video frames until the snick of shot 2 is recorded. Distance from the bullet to the microphone maybe?
Whether it adds difficulty or not, shots from the top of the third window and the vents easily clear the fence and bleachers.
As far as the moving crowd: nobody civilian was supposed to be there on AGR grounds at all and in fact, prior to the shooting, a man clears people from the fence line in front of Building 6 with threats of trespass.
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If the inconsistency is due to a delay then it needs to be explained but considering the speed of sound and the bullet, it doesn’t appear that a delay can be the explanation.
Your images clearly show the vents that I’m referencing in my post and they are all closed when Crooks is on the roof above them. My theory that a possible 2nd shooter could’ve used one of those vents is wrong.
Yes, the place itself does seem to fit with the 2nd shooter theory overall, but I believe it would make sense only if the first shot came from that location, instead of Crooks’ location. And on the high quality TMZ Ross video seen on a large monitor you can actually see the casing being ejected on shot 1, and you can also see the effect of recoil tbh.
I agree. However, incline fire starts needing a compensation holdover if the angle is of more than 5 degrees (positive or negative). What angle did you get from your theory? I myself never bothered checking the angle because I discarded that roof due to audio.
Bullets are always vertically ascending or descending. It’s a parabola, and even it you knew the exact type of 5.56 ammo he used and did some real world forensic tests for comparison, still you would enconter variatons in the trajectory of brand new ammo, due to bullet weight, powder charges, air, wind, etc. Given the caliber-weapon-ammo combination, even if the gun was firmly fixed without moving a milimeterat the time of firing, the bullets would not hit the exact same place. Close, but not same place… the lesser the weight of the bullet in grains, the more dispersion you would get.
Spot on: math is needed here.
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Here is new police bodycam footage that I believe you were asking for in your last video:
https://x.com/chiIIum/status/1821616489683939406
This is of the officer who was holding on to the roof and dropped to the ground after seeing someone on the roof.
Here’s a little more video from before the officer drops back down. Here he is being boosted up by another officer:
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Uhm, why didn’t they just climb on the car and shoot at him??
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hey Roger. I’m heaving difficulty reproducing you model. Can you provide me the references of the dimensions?
Note: I’d like to mention that the light propagates way faster than sound.
I guess the sound was recorded by camera’s mic far away from loudspeakers.
There is some delay between the frames and the sound assumed belonging to.
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The fact that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound is irrelevant for this situation. The delay that would be produced by either is infinitesimal and unnoticeable in comparison to the number of frames that separate Trump’s hand position in Doug Mills’ photo and the one when the second supersonic shockwave is heard. At 0.25x the video is at 60 fps and there are more frames that I can count without using a video editor. Everybody can see that there is no noticeable delay between Trump lips movements and the sound of his voice. There is no reason why the supersonic shockwave would have a greater delay.
Chris have you heard the 911 audio recording about shots fired toward water tower?
" /the-abandonment-of-posts-in-the-overwatch-building-is-difficult-to-accept/ "
Not so hard to accept if you consider that an “unidentified actor” was either still lurking in the building/room, or, made their way in and up to the post. Once the post was clear, all the necessary equipment and devices were ready for use. Pre-staged in the ideal sniper hide. Suppressed and hidden, with the BEST equipment and position.
Think about it!
" /the-abandonment-of-posts-in-the-overwatch-building-is-difficult-to-accept/ "
Not so hard to accept if you consider that an “unidentified actor” was either still lurking in the building/room, or, made their way in and up to the post. Once the post was clear, all the necessary equipment and devices were ready for use. Pre-staged in the ideal sniper hide. Suppressed and hidden, with the BEST equipment and position.
Think about it!