So It's Back To First Principles

So it is the wastern side of the building. And you can see towards north if you look out of that window. Unfortunatelly the windows have not been numbered. (Doors have.) Mingt have been.

I don’t know what products your company is issuing certificates for.
But assume if there’s some fatality caused by one of this products and during the investigation it turns out that the certificate(s) was/were inaccurate, your company would be held accountable.

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It would be less of a pain if at least the taxpayer wouldn’t have to pay for all this trash-output generated. If all these entities would be put under one bubble, they could function for itself as a perpetuum mobile without annoying anybody else.

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First two I think are an optical illusion, what appears to look like another bottle of some kind on the roof are these sections where you can see support strut extending:


For the third photo, that water bottle could have very well been dropped by one of the other members scaling the roof. In fact, I believe it was Sulerud you can see with one in his back pocket moments before ascending the roof. (And of course now that I said that I can’t find it when I go looking for it)

*Edit: * Alright got it, I was mistaken. It was not Sulerud who had the bottle in his pocket, it was Shaffer.
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The best sign for this is when listing the references takes double the page size (even though it’s in smaller printing) than the actual text.

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I thought Murcko stayed in place (one of the open, south facing windows)

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If you read the 6:02 pm description in the Washington Post article, it states the Northwest window facing away from the rally, thus the one above door 13 that is on the north side of the building. You could not see the picnic table from the west side window.

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That’s what the report says. And note that the 18:05 timestamp is approximate. The radio call was recorded at 18:02. That’s key to understanding the inaccuracy of the following 18:06-18:12 entry, which corrected would be 18:03-18:12 due to the prior entry being 3 minutes off. Something the HSGAC were too lazy to figure out.

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They might have thought it was not necessary. They did not expect some dramatic event. Just parad in their uniforms. And it is enough to deter anything.

Just wanted to say it was most likely Shaffer’s bottle, but saw that you already added it in your post :+1:

ontop the roof he didn’t have the bottle in his pocket anymore (added a little brightness to the pic)

Run across him, have we already ID’d?
Matthew Setnar?

@vegaspatriot

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I fully agree with you about the time stated.

But my point before was on this part of your post

The northwest window is the one on the second floor of the building Nicol and Murcko were in, the window above Door 13.

In my understanding, this is the northwest window of the 2nd floor.
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To me your text is indicating that GN and Murcko were in the room where this window is located. This is why I made my remark about Murcko not being in this room bc he was and stayed in a room with a window south facing (at least to my knowledge). But GN went in this room and spotted Crooks with the backpack.
Probably I just misinterpreted and it’s time for some grammar refresher classes for me.

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From the DJT Detail

So the QRF team actually shouldn’t have drove over to the AGR east side parking with the UTV since that wasn’t inside the perimeter.

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We should reconstruct that observation event more precisely.
Woods had to be at west facing window. The others have benn assigned to south facing window. And the retaining wall photo was made from Nicol’s window.
So far so good.
Crooks was probably spotted from south facing window.
But I don’t think he appeared there with backpack. So the question is, why Greg felt to look out of north facing window.

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radio communications text messages and phone calls way too slowly
secondhand reports were passed in a manner resembling the old children’s game telephone

I’m not sure what does it mean, but the messages look like it was a day off garden party chatter.

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Quick question, if they have already allegedly released “all” cam footage, how does Mr. Kelly have this now new dashcam footage that has not been released to the public before? Another misdirection? Kinda makes you wonder what other cam footage is out there. I imagine a whole slew of dashcams at the very least, and I would venture there is still heaps of bwc footage still withheld.

Also, as a side note, for having “injured his ankle” in the fall to the “concrete”, he seems to me to be running pretty well.

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you are right that the first vertical roof lane separator blocks the lower part of crooks’ body…

I “took” his right arm from


and rotated and rescaled it to get a kind of reasonable match with the Di Frischia photo to see how high the top of his shoulder would have been, which gives this:

the bottom of the blue rectangle is the surface of the roof and the top of that rectangle is the top of the roof lane separator.
the pinkish rectangle on the right has the estimated height of the ridge cap.

so, if we then put the rifle to the 1:1 scale that matches the contours of the rifle in the above picture, but we move it a little higher such that his eyes are in line with the red dot scope, we get this:

in this configuration, his rifle would get about 7 inches above the ridge line, and the top of his head would be about 18 inches above the ridge line…

something that I have not seen mentioned before is the concept of parallax… crooks was wearing glasses, which means that it may have been the case that he could see the red dot through his scope while holding the rifle as he held it. when we overlay the full rifle over the contours we get this:

if he can see the red dot of his scope in this position, the muzzle would have been about 5.75 inches above the ridge line.

note that it would still have been a very awkward way to hold the gun, as it is not shouldered, and that would certainly decrease the efficacy and precision of his shots…

so, if he really fired the first rounds from that position on the roof, holding the gun in a similar manner as this, it would still have been a miracle to fire the 3 shots in a very small grouping, provided that the rifle is not shouldered…

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What we got from Pearson was just Butler Township videos. What HSGAC shared was a PSP dashcam video, which Pearson wouldn’t have access to. There might be more PSP dashcam videos, but I don’t think the Troopers wear body cams. Not sure if the other departments in Beaver or Washington Counties wore any body cams, other than Brighton Township (Grassley released Gianvito’s bodycam from Brighton Township), but Pearson wouldn’t have had access to those either.

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are you familiar with the “common criteria” certification scheme?
in that scheme, a “publicly accessible” set of criteria against which a product is checked is made public, the test report and test result are not public, and you have to take the certification lab’s on its word that the product meets the criteria they tested for…

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Yes, we have Setnar, but he is the one I mistakenly had for Jurysta as well.

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