So It's Back To First Principles

Our listed Robert Murphy is given as 1303:
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And this seems to be the same Murphy as on PDOps3 in terms of that intersection:
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I don’t happen to see another Murphy in our radio logs, not yet anyways.

:sunglasses: A nice cup of coffee sounds fantastic right now! Though I typically reason with bourbon! :wink:

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No wonder I’m having a tough time keeping up with you! :rofl:

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Any idea why Vensel would have been stationed so far North? His position seems weird to me. I suppose it would help me to look further into the route the motorcade could have or would have taken.

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It’s a shortcut from the State route to the north and 68 (Evan’s City Rd.), so a necessary intersection to block.

What I was curious about was who, other than Murphy, controlled the intersections when the motorcade went to the hospital. I did find a radio comm that said Pearson was getting the (Park) Rangers to cover them.

You will be amazed, and disappointed, at how close I was able to get to a key sighting in my analysis, but I’m not going to release it until I’m done with it. Sorry, but I have good reason not to. (Yep, more hype. :sunglasses:)

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Ah thank you, that makes sense.

That’s a very astute consideration! And a nice find in terms of the Park Rangers! I am quite interested!

Quite very interested indeed! Perhaps even, hyped! :rofl: Still, with the polish of your work, I’m sure it will be well worth the wait!

I believe I’ve also found Sean Murphy in Gianvito’s cam 2, making it pretty much impossible for him to be the Murphy at the intersection of 68 and Meridian:



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Excellent! I’ll add him to the Recognition Tools. I don’t know that it gives us any more reason to suspect bodycam 4 to be Sgt. Murphy, though. It makes sense for it to be his, but we don’t have that “smoking gun” evidence it is him. Right?

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It’s my deepest dive yet, for sure. To use my diving analogy, during my first study of Door 13 I was snorkeling. After the release of the radio logs and congressional investigation reports I switched to scuba diving. Now I’m back aboard my old submarine at test depth sonar mapping the ocean floor. “Run Silent, Run Deep” is the US Navy submarine fleet motto, and that’s what I’m doing now. :sunglasses:

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Again, I’ve always said door 13 is more likely. But…

Nichol moving across the building IS supported in some way by the AAR. Beaver County ESU reported (presumably after talking to Nichol) that he moved across the building before the shooting (at 6.:12 in the AAR timeline) and met a uniformed patrol. I don’t want to a***** this is incorrect when it hasn’t been proven to be. I understand the AAR is not very reliable in general.

I’ve always agreed it would not likely be his course of actions.

There is video evidence of him opening the door in question after the shooting but it has not been proven that this is what the AAR is referring to. Can you prove he didn’t open it twice? Why would they list that second event from after the shooting on the slide and put the time as before the shooting and describe it as him meeting a uniformed patrol?

I am not the one making a positive claim like VP is (“The Door 13 Event”… was there one?). He has to prove it. I don’t. I only have to chip holes in a theory that is not proven. If I was saying Nichol opened door 9 with as much certainty as VP says it was door 13 you would be right about the A word.

Again this would be valid if I was using these maybes to say it WAS door 9. I am not. I am simply saying what might have been, and nobody seems to have been able to rule it out, which is what I have been pushing for.

Absence of evidence again… and I only need to establish that something is possible. It can be highly improbable yet still possible. And considering it has not been proven that it was door 13, there are probably other objections that we haven’t thought of (this is an assumption, something which is not inherently wrong to make).

You don’t know for sure that there is nothing in between those 2 events, though I have agreed the language suggests there wasn’t.

I even prefaced the locked door theory by saying it might be ridiculous. Point is that it is not impossible, if Nichol did indeed go to open door 13. Door 9 is not some odd door, it seems like the main door he and others were most familiar with, and it’s somewhat in the direction he last saw Crooks running.

Your last sentence there is key. Door 9 IS possible. Are you really saying that it is impossible? This is a question I have been trying to get VP to answer. I wouldn’t say I am overcomplicating things. Just trying to show that door 9 is possible and door 13 is not proven. I should say again, because I feel this is always ignored - I think door 13 is more likely. I am talking about proof and possibility. If VP simply argued door 13 is more likely I would not be here arguing this. He has said he is careful to word things in that way (likely, probably, etc…), but he is not careful here. He states it as fact. That’s my objection.

Highly unlikely. No problems from me there. Not impossible.

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I provided you a lot, but owe you nothing. Enough said.

You keep doing this. Who is Nic-H-ol? The ESU sniper is Gregory Nicol, no H.

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You’ve provided me no proof, but you don’t owe me that, true

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Ok you got me. If you want to get me on any of my actual points I’d appreciate it. VP is completely incapable of doing so, yet (/therefore) he is quite dismissive and hostile to me

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It is an interesting question. Blasko’s car was parked around the water tower. He walked to Tyler’s car and quickly found the entry card. How did he know? Did all of them have one? Collins was in the traffic control, why he had the/an entry card? (I don’t know it was the only one or there were several entry cards.)

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Blasko’s footage finished here: 1833

I guess the 117 bodycam might show them.


Remark: so many cops now. (My book mentioned: American people say, you can pay now or later more.)

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BTW:



I guess they are inside.



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You made my heart skip a beat. I saw that on my phone but couldn’t make out if that was an ambulance driving by or the bomb squad parked there. It was an ambulance driving by. Shucks!

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I try to see if patsy’s car was behind Pearson’s silver car.

I think he is Pearson and he walks to the witnesses.


I think this cop drives the car with dashcam 197.

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Yes, that is Pearson and is the sighting that helped us ID him initially.

We don’t even have him in the recognition tool yet. It would be nice to ID him and name him for that bodycam if it is his.

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Yes, this is the driver of dashcam M500-016197, our pal Paul Kuss.

The other dashcam we’ve got, M500-010482, is Collins.
And speaking of selfies!


18:09:04 BWC2-122100

Did someone say bomb squad?! :face_with_peeking_eye:


19:19:36 BWC2-122097

Carefully zooming through different segments of this video give us some interesting glimpses into things, including a nearby ambulance as well.


19:19:20

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I take it that’s near the bike and backpacks.

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