So It's Back To First Principles

I will put him down for it. Thanks. Too bad he turned on his dashcam after he parked. It would be nice to have an arrival time.

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So now that I remember, I believe we had this guy tentatively as Sergeant Sawl.

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Also, near the end of Venzel’s footage we can find the other sheriff in question as well:

And this gentleman again:

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Yes, after my coffee kicked in I looked at the Sheriffs page and came to the same conclusion

Thanks for the bike photos. I recall seeing an aerial view with the bomb squad truck in that area. I found an earlier sighting of the bike, but 'll save that for the release of my timeline analysis.

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Ed Newman?


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So Newman on the left with K9 Jimi/Jimmi, and Mikus on the right?

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SHERIFF_DEP 18:10:43 0:06 10-1138 P Butler County Sheriff/Deputies (60199) Walker T State Police and BT units have AGR surrounded they are looking for him from LE Transcript

BTW

Go ahead

Vader would say: Proceed!

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You have a damn good magnifying tool.

I wonder the Elantra is behind that silver car.

But this is pretty late, they might have had time towed it. I’ll try to find earlier footage.

Collins was assigned to traffic control. Why he had an entry card to AGR? How was Blasko aware of it?

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Additional assets on demand. This is the “you have to pay later more” case. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Absolutely! Another of the many features in VLC media player, this zoom feature I actually just stumbled across quite recently and I’m really impressed with it!



Under Tools>Effects and Filters>Video Effects>Geometry, Interactive Zoom, and once enabled, you can click and drag the slider to adjust zoom level, and click and drag across the picture-in-picture to select section displayed.

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I guess to be a little clearer with what I meant, I find a couple of things odd.

With Sean Murphy here, he is wearing a Butler Township uniform, but on top of that is wearing ESU style equipment, helmet, vest, etc. I wonder, are any other ESU members wearing local uniforms beneath their tac gear or he is alone in this? He’s not listed as being associated with ESU based on the detail plan, AAR, Personnel List, etc. but appears alongside the rest of the ESU responders in the same gear and in the same response effort. Radio traffic referencing him (which I haven’t seen specifically of him, S. Murphy), would be interesting to find certainly, but wouldn’t really address him being there in ESU capacity.

Derek Dickey, who we don’t yet have visual confirmation of on site afaik, was also not listed in any detail plan or personnel list, but responded to the need for a hospital response team in an ESU capacity in the Terradyne based on radio traffic logs.

So, if we have these likely ESU members present and responding but unlisted in planning or after action review, how do we reconcile that?

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To double down on Ed Newman here!

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Is it possible that Murphy, in the Butler township uniform, is also SERT? It could potentially explain him wearing the gear you described.

The video and article do a good job explaining SERT

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18:48:59 I think I can make out the tail end of it sticking out here!

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Sorry for the delay replying back to you. Thank you for the information, and i will look into it. Still trying to navigate my around this forum, takes me all over the place.

And while I suppose this could be possible, a lot of what I’ve seen of a SERT in PA seems to refer to the PSP:


[Screenshot from video you highlighted]

Pennsylvania State Police - S.E.R.T: Special Emergency Response Team

Meanwhile Butler Township is a known participant in Butler ESU. And then this, also a screen from that same video:


SERT and ESU, while being different acronyms, do appear to be somewhat synonymous at least when it comes to reporting.

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Recall that Blasko is the Asst. Commander of ESU and participated in the advance with Lenz, but did traffic patrol duty. It wouldn’t surprise me if S. Murphy was in a similar scenario, an ESU member who did traffic patrol. Also recall that Butler Twp had limited personnel, and likely needed all available officers to handle traffic control, so pulled from other jurisdictions for ESU roles. S. Murphy likely kept his vest in his trunk, whereas Blasko didn’t. That’s my take anyways.

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Here is the link to Butler Twp Police personnel list. They have 13 patrolmen, and some of those would have been sleeping due to having night duty, or were on the injured list or on vacation. I recall an article where the mayor (I think) said they only had 11 personnel assigned to the rally.

They also had to maintain a police presence in the community while the rally was going on. When the shooting occurred, that took priority and those officers would have likely responded to it like they would for any active shooter scenario.

Edit: Not including S. Murphy, I count 11 personnel who were named in the Detail plan, including Lt. Pearson, Detectives, seargants, and patrolmen.

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Wait, so I know Blasko was a fellow who “wore many hats” at this event, was he actually Asst. Commander of ESU though? I thought he was the Assistant Lead ESU CS? Which would make him 2nd to Wagner I believe. Along with being a part of traffic detail and having personal contact with USSS, supposedly to also have worked directly alongside. But again, not listed in personnel, plan, or review.

And it wouldn’t really surprise me either, except for a couple things:

  1. He should therefore have a presence on PDOps3, especially in some aspect of traffic detail, which he does not.
  2. He appears in Gianvito’s cam 2 right off the rip, at timestamp 18:26:55 in full gear. I would have to say he would most likely have had to have been wearing this gear before the shooting, and his location lends to him being in this area beforehand as well, like other ESU.

I like all of those considerations! But many of the eleven you might include were not actually listed in the detail report!

The seven BTwp listed on the right were also unlisted, though most if not all were involved in local patrols and traffic detail. Then Sean Murphy pops up in ESU-style gear also unlisted in connection to ESU response.

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I was going by memory of his congressional testimony, so I may have gotten that wrong…the fallibility of human memory. :wink:

I stand corrected! I was thinking of your personnel list. (See above.)

That could be, but I look at how far away Sgt. Vensel was at his assigned intersection, which was only a 3-minute drive to AGR. I also look at Det. Collins whose dashcam started recording before the shooting at 18:06:34, and arrived at AGR ~2.5 minutes later. The shooting hadn’t occurred yet, so he did not take out his long rifle, but it was in his vehicle, and he immediately went to get it after shots were fired.

S. Murphy had the benefit of knowing shots were fired, which was more than 15 minutes before he was sighted on Gianvito’s bodycam. He would have heard the PD Ops 3 call from Sgt. Vensel. That gives him plenty of time to drive from where he was patrolling and put his vest on once he parked his vehicle.

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To which I would circle back to the way in which Collins retrieved his rifle and prepared to engage, and then did fully engage and even climb the roof. But in getting his rifle from the car he falters a lot, situational stress clearly is playing into his response. I doubt even if he wanted to in that moment that he could have put on a tac vest and helmet, with however many peripherals, quickly, comfortably, efficiently, you name it! And S. Murphy appears geared up and ready to go in the cam footage, in my opinion as if he has been wearing it for some time and has not just recently thrown it on. Also to consider are the radios and their wires, and if he has BWC capability even more wires to worry about.

Quite alright, I was actually questioning my own memory fallibility as I responded! :saluting_face:

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