So It's Back To First Principles

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Admittedly, I am inclined to lean towards a lone gunman theory, as in I believe all 8 shots came from the patsy on the roof of the AGR. I do not see evidence pointing to shots fired from a second location, aside from two shots fired in return.

Does this statement apply to all recordings? What about things that would vary from recording to recording? For example, all of our cell phone recordings are made with different equipment with likely differing recording capabilities/quality. Also, the audio from these cell recordings is going to be directly impacted by direction and motion, and even hand placement on the device. I would think for analysis, recordings made by stationary devices would be more reliable, such as the podium mic or dashcam M500-010482.


I’m listening to a loop of the 8 shots as I’m typing this. VLC again, spotlight useful feature the A-B looper. They all sound the same to me, and I would love to see the analysis on this recording, as the recording conditions across all 8 shots are the same. I’m sure it probably exists in the trove of audio analyses across this forum.

I disagree with this, I don’t believe their statements indicate that shots went by them as of the first shots (“started being fired”), to clarify by first shots I mean the first 3, and I feel that their wording indicates the shots near them came from the second rapid-fire volley.

Which one? A photo of it would be nice, and if I were to guess we would go back to the Dutch/Copenhaver interview that we get some clips of, unless you know of another source? If I get a chance, I’ll try to head back to that video and see what screens I can get. And then we would need the context of his positioning upon impact in order to tell if they are incompatible. As I recall, you were under the impression they were facing a certain way upon the first shot, but again it was not the first shot that hit either of them, so we would then need to know how they moved in reaction to shot 1.

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This all being said, while I believe him to be the lone gunman, as in lone shooter, that does not mean I believe him to have necessarily acted of his own volition. A MIHOP does not absolutely need to have a second shooter for it to be a conspiracy, and the amount of planning that would have been involved in this, the prep work, the training, and what almost seems like beforehand knowledge of specific situational vulnerabilities, make it very hard to not air on the side of conspiracy. Even still, conspiracy does not have to include law enforcement on any level, and there are many a party out there that want the Don removed. Coupled with the fact that so very little has been shared about the patsy, his contacts or messaging history, I don’t think we can fully remove in-organizational conspiracy from the table, but we absolutely cannot remove out-of-organizational non-LEO conspiracy either.

Something of a thought to consider, what could his potential plan of action had been if his first shot struck home? I wouldn’t expect him to have just sat there waiting to be killed, he would have had to have some form of exit plan.

Which it very well may be! Here we have the whole spotlight on all the LEO and protection agencies, their shortcomings and oversights, yet again so very little released in terms of information about Crooks. Of course, law enforcement is human, and they all had their weaknesses and shortcomings going into this, but it is almost alarming how all of the focus is on them and none of it on the kid or his contacts. Understandably, yes they fell short, so they must be scrutinized, but quo bono? To whom would that benefit? Certainly not the dead guy.

That seems unlikely for a few reasons, but before I get to them, where has this post of mine gone where I provided links to all of posts that were flagged? Others saw it and responded to it in X. It seems to have been deleted outright. So It's Back To First Principles - #5572

What does this mean, “badly between channels”?

No variables change in recording successive shots.

There’s nobody in the car, what noise would be coming from the cabin?

So, these are not gunshots? And it’s supposed to be more likely that 8 identical sounds were made that were not gunshots and were all picked up by the mics on the cruiser? And all sounded like gunshots to everyone around. And gunshots are heard at the same time on other recording devices. And there’s a guy on the roof with a long gun, who they’ve been searching for to intercept because he is suspicious. And Trump got shot, along with Comperatore, Copenhaver, and Dutch. These are some dangerous hand-claps! And, and, and… I’m not sure what this is supposed to prove exactly…

Ask the creator of this post and/or read the other posts on this topic.
You will have to rummage through threads.
I just wanted to point out that this topic has already been analyzed.
Since I’m not an audio analyst, I can’t contribute anything further.

I think that the audio analysis so far concludes that the shots in this audio recording are strikingly similar, so tampering must be considered.

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This seems unlikely, how? Please, I do hope you explain your reasoning. And by the way, in case you happened to miss it, the shield emblem is important to note here, this is official moderation stepping in to address your concern and identify the issue, and I don’t see how you would contest to this. This isn’t Vegas or myself or any other here attempting to thwart you, conversation into these theories should still be possible, and clearly you are still here and able to continue this conversation, but it does still need to be within the terms of those managing this environment, as Aaron was politely attempting to explain to you how you may have violated those.

Maybe we can move past all this. Out of genuine curiosity and to maybe establish a baseline, what is your interpretation of the J13 events Chris?

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I explained my reasoning just above.

Why didn’t you reply to this? Did Vegas Patriot ask you not to?

Until Vegas Patriot started insulting me instead of addressing my points things were nice and civil in here. I could move past this if he would simply apologize. Don’t you think that would be appropriate? But it’s more likely I will simply leave soon, and you guys can go back to normal.

I know Vegas Patriot isn’t found of admitting he was wrong and he would rather double down as long as he possibly can, but this is not productive.

As well I most likely will, this is an interesting topic! I would love to be able to further understand the audio analyses, as I am also not an audio analyst in any way either, but I would be interested to learn more about it. And yes, thank you, I was asking about the analysis of this before and this is a good place for me to start digging! You posting it in reply made me think that was where you stood on the matter, in agreement of the post and replying to refute me, so that not being the case, I’m quite sorry for assuming! :astonished:

Huh?!? You explained your reasoning before you posted “for a few reasons, but before I get to them”? Please, excuse me, I’m super confused here. I’m not sure what I was supposed to “reply to” that I “was asked not to”. I have no idea what you’re even talking about now. I asked you your interpretation of the events of J13, and you spout some more slander about Vegas. Hate to say it, but you sound like Kamala knee-deep in an interview right about now. :sunglasses:

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Well I did explain my reasoning in a response to Aaron above, but it seems it was also deleted. Even though I have no notification about it, unlike the first post of mine that was removed. I find this outrageous. You can see above that most of my replies about the flagging and removal are now gone. There used to be a few replies up there, now there is only one left.

This is my reasoning that was removed, even though I referenced it above and it’s deletion has caused confusion in this thread. Luckily I had it in a text file before I posted it.

If this gets deleted again I’ll probably just leave. I might even do a video about this experience. This is becoming a serious waste of my time, and this message is important for the transparency and accountability of this site. Deleting this seems to be covering things up in my opinion. I do not appreciate providing valuable information about this case like I have over the past month just to be hidden, deleted, gaslit and made to look like a liar as just happened.

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What does “the community feels it is an advertisement” and “the post was hidden due to flags from the community” mean? This does not sound automatic.

These are the posts that were hidden.

How were these posts from anywhere between 4-28 days ago automatically flagged as spam and all hidden 15 hours ago?

They were not back to back and they did not link to the same domain.

Are you saying that these posts were not deliberately hidden but one of my posts was deliberately removed?

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Update to that deleted comment of mine: Multiple replies of mine were deliberately removed, not just one. Also, my last sentence references this deleted comment of mine below. I referenced it in another comment, that was also deleted, causing even more confusion here. I won’t show all the message with it’s “hostile” words in hopes of not getting deleted again

Can you explain to me why that response with my reasoning up top was deleted without any notification RedRanAmber?

I would like an answer to these questions here from Aaron but seeing as it was deleted the first time I am not sure how likely that is.

Also you did not respond to this post but now want to keep talking about the doors with me? This is obviously what I was referring to.

I’d hate to see you go, Chris. You’ve been a huge contributor on X.

Has anyone come across floor plans for the AGR?

The Door 13 discussion would be easier with visuals of the location of stairways.

I’ve searched the land registry, and come across land surveys but not floor plans.

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Shot #1 - Visual proof of bullet (Mike DiFrishia/TMZ)

Shot #2 - Visual proof of off-gassing (Unknown Videographer)

Challenge:

Can we come up with visuals for Shot #3 next?

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The ‘why’ may be more innocuous than it comes off at first. All of our videos seem to be off by some amount or another, even down to all of the bodycams and dashcams being slightly out of sync.

I forget who originally posted this cam time adjustment chart, it may have been Sorey:

I think it points more to our species’ collective struggle to maintain a unified stream of time consciousness, especially across multiple levels of devices and electronics. For an example, does your phone consistently reflect the same time as on your computer, car, microwave, or other timekeeping device? More likely there is a margin of error, a deviation of some amount.

Agreed, :100:!

Might I add, catching the smoke like that is both quite meticulous and impressive! Very nicely done, Evan!

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Thanks Steel. It’s nice to be appreciated. Hopefully common sense will prevail and we can all get along and get to the bottom of all this

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I did a rough realignment of Evan’s clips here. What do you guys think? In the right spot? This is with the audio pulled back 0.33 seconds at full speed. The full speed version is underneath in the thread.
https://x.com/ChrisToddNolan/status/1862587990050316410

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I’m pretty certain you are correct, it was @sorey. Thanks for posting the table. I’ve been wanting to add a column for stop times to this slide in the Research and Recognition Tools, but didn’t want to take the time away from my other work to do so. I likely will now that you brought up the table. Thanks!

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Thank you for the detail and the information you provided. I understand what you are saying and I would like to believe it accurately describes the TMZ video/audio.

And I agree, excellent description of Evan being meticulous and impressive.

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Wouldn’t that be fantastic. It seems a bit more possible if so many highly skilled individuals can work together.

There is no denying that we all have the same goal in mind, which is gathering pieces of the puzzle that are truth and pinning those pieces together to create a larger picture of the truth.

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“So it shall be written. So it shall be done.” Pharaoh Rameses, “The Ten Commandments,” Cecil B. DeMille (1956)

Thanks again @redranamber!

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Stella with the good points and diplomacy

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